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I honestly think at this point there is zero reason to debate Bans and Unbans. Since all major coverage of Legacy has stopped we are likely insignificant now. I mean it took the whining of a blading baby who use to be head of RnD to have them move on Vintage, what fucking chance have we got?
Agree, if 85% and 15/16s didnt do it on camera nothing is happening with the lights off.
I cant believe this laziness from wotc... Is it really that hard to take the 5 minutes it takes to go over the banlist and decide that Mind Twist(there are others too of course) doesnt belong on the banlist? I mean even if the people in charge of the banlist know absolutely nothing about legacy, its not that hard to look at the numerous discussions and polls online that show that most people think there are at least a couple cards that should come off. Its almost like they are purposefully trying to ignore legacy.
Who is this in reference to?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
Randy Beuhller (sp?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Seth
So, today's the big day?
#inb4ponderban
I'm predicting no changes, but this is my personal wish list for some point in the format's future:
BANNED
Sensei's Divining Top, Show and Tell, Griselbrand, True-Name Nemesis.
UNBANNED
Mind Twist, Earthcraft, Survival of the Fittest, Goblin Recruiter, Yawgmoth's Bargain.
Each ban or unban would obviously be most prudent if done one at a time. Interestingly, there's been a lot of price movement on Yawgmoth's Bargain this week.
Bargain isn't safe at all, and i say this as a proponent of SotF unban. It's way,way better than AdN, and it would push combo (and conversely, blue) a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESG
You had me in the palm of your hand until I saw Yawg's Bargain.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESG
The rest would be sweet though, imagine how much more interesting the format would be.
Also you should notice the disconnect when you say ban grisly and tehn unban bargain.
I'm not even sure Show and tell need banning if you remove grizzly. Emrakul is good but it's not insta-win and you'd run 4 only, with the next best being .. Jin-Jitaxias?
It's funny how back in the day Jin-Gitaxias singlehandedly made Reanimator relevant again and now people barely even remember that the card exists.
The same way people freaked out about Tarmogoyf, who barely makes a Legacy Top8 appearance these daysQuote:
Originally Posted by Zombie
Jin Jitaxias was legitimately a good designed card. It's just that Grizzly is way too good with all the ways to cheat him in and make SnT and reanimate busted spells. Jin gave you time to respond and the body wasn't as relevant. I miss when reanimate was at least a bit about choosing a creature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie
Yeah, Jin was still reasonable because of the mediumsize body and window of interaction before getting blown out by him. Griselbrand was just worlds better with him being a threatening killcon and having immediate effectQuote:
Originally Posted by Gheizen64
What the shit?Quote:
Interestingly, there's been a lot of price movement on Yawgmoth's Bargain this week.
Irrelevant because Yawg Bargain isn't going to be unbanned, but still funny. Bloodbraid and Bitterblossom would regularly spike right before unban announcements due to rumors (of course, Blossom actually was unbanned eventually). Interestingly, EMA Jace has spiked over the WW Jace in the past few days - http://www.mtgstocks.com/cards/30937 .
SPike Bargain though? That's just dumb. Wonder why, even the retards over at QS haven't written about it.
Looks like no bans? They did acknowledge vintage though so I guess they know that people out there still play eternal formats.
And who's fault is that? :|Quote:
For Vintage, data is often difficult to gather because the sample size is so small.
But not Legacy. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by CptHaddock
Nice if they'd favour us with a glimpse of their feelings towards this format and its meta..
VSL probably the only reason they mentioned Vintage at all. Legacy is dead to them, they don't acknowledge the format exists and they won't even unban the unplayable shitty cards for people to brew with.
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Originally Posted by Dice_Box