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I actually removed the second Canopy and went from 21 to 20 lands to fit in the single Figure of Destiny so changing that is just going back to how I played earlier. -1 fetch for the third Canopy seems like a good idea. I have played one Jitte MD and one SB but I think i will go 2 MD regardless of how many colors I run, I was never disappointed to see the card and boarded in the second one in every game (except Ichorid).
Yea exactly what I thought, which is why I am confused as to why if you were running lavamancer (which might I say your crazy not to) than thoctar is an auto include over knight? I personally run thoctar over knight and play lavamancer BUT I just didn't understand why he was saying thoctar is an auto include over knight if you're running mancer pants.
EDIT: this response came up late cause my interwebs crashed off and I just left the window open ready to send :-P
I'm taking this innovative list today. I'll see how I do. Steppe Lynx has proved to be a stellar 1cc creature:
GATO (CAT) ZOO
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Windswept Heaths
4 Arid Mesa
1 Mountain
1 Forest
1 Savannah
2 Plateau
3 Taiga
4 Steppe Lynx
4 Wild Nacatl
3 Kird Ape
3 Grim Lavamancer
4 Qasali Pridemage
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Rift Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
3 Fireblast
3 Path to Exile
SIDEBOARD:
3 Krosan Grip
4 Vexing Shusher
3 Tormod's Crypt
3 Price of Progress
2 Ancient Grudge
The overall curve is greatly lowered and the ability of Lynx to hit for 4 consistently makes the deck faster. I think this is a hybrid of Goyf Sligh/Boros Landfall and Zoo. I'll post results and a report if it's worth discussin at all
Right off, I'd highly recommend adding a pair of Sylvan Libraries and Jittes to the list. Ancient Grudge is outclassed by Grip/Pridemage so there are two slots right there. I feel you'll be really happy with the results. Otherwise it looks promising and I'll swap some cards adn give it a shot as well.
Steppe Lynx seems like an interesting card to try, at least if you run 12 fetches. Personally I would probably play it instead of the Apes though and keep the Lavamancers. I would maybe cut the Rift Bolts for 2x Jitte and 2x Library.
Yeah, that's a pretty good substitution. Even in a vacuum, 2 libraries/Jitte is better than 4 Rift Bolt. Way more useful.
Otherwise I like this list, except the two Grudges in the board :tongue:
I really dislikes the kird Ape, so im testing the Steppe Lynx as well. Im playing a Domain version thought with 10 fetch, 4 tribal flames, 4 Dark Confidant, 3 Figure of destiney, 4 lightning Helix and no 3cc dropps. Many times the lynx enters the game t1 then followed up turn 2 with a fetch+ Pridemage and doing 5 damage that turn 2 attack or followed up with a bob to keep the lynx fueled.
You're missing so much stuff...Quote:
Originally Posted by crz87
Path #4
Lightning Helix
Jitte/Cursed Scroll
yeah dude, for the love of god, drop rift bolt, add library, lavamancer and path #4, I'd probably cut the apes if you play lynx... you have no draw engine, this deck's bread and butter, what separates it from goyf sligh (what makes it a dtb) is the mid/late game stability, the ability to NOT fizzle out and run out of gas, you should try to find room for the cards you're missing out on, also run at least a singleton jitte, you'd be surprised how randomly awesome it is
I've always thought Scroll was better. What's the general consensus?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibsonmac
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Pastorofmuppets
But seriously. Scroll is STILL a house in my opinion. Control just shakes in their boots as their Sower of Temptation dies and you wittle their life down when they think you're out of the battle.
I LOVE Scroll, it holds a near and dear place in my heart, absolutely love that card, always have... that said, the mana investment is a little steep, has other drawbacks(but what doesn't right?) now there are better options, and like so many other cards it has kinda been outclassed... maybe as a 1of in addition to 3 lavamancers would be kinda sassy. I think I might try it out.
I ran Scroll as a two for like half a year i believe. I think it was that long anyway. It makes your good matchups(Goblins/Merfolk) better, and they make your control matchup better. Which in my opinion is pretty miserable in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibsonmac
It's a good card. I wouldn't run it in the Fireblast/Chain Lightning/etc. list but i would run it in something slower like i used to run. I loved my deck and it felt like i was playing Zoo and not just some Goyf Sligh/Zoo hybrid.
Im confused with Sylvan Library. Is it a Brainstorm-like effect if you opt not to pay 4 lives because the way I understood it the Library reads:
"At the beginning of your draw step, you may draw two additional cards. If you do, choose two cards in your hand drawn this turn. For each of those cards, pay 4 life or put the card on top of your library."
So:
Untap
Upkeep
Normal Draw... Library triggers so u technically drew 3 cards and return two (if you opt not to pay 4) so its like having three options on what to draw? The key word in the Sylvan Lib is "this turn" so I assume the normal draw is included.
Thanks!
@ DCTopTeam: Yes.
It is sort of like topping in your upkeep for free (Except it is in your draw phase technically). And the whole pay life thing of course.
Thanks!. I will try at least two Libraries then. Id just drop the Jets for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by FoulQ
Went 2-2 today (beat Merfolk, Faeries, lost closely to Valakut Lands and Deadguy). I think I made a slight play mistake against Lands and I let my friend in Deadguy take back a move that probably costed me the game since I was 2 points of damage short of swinging.
Anyway, I like the deck and definitely agree on taking Kird Apes out for Sylvan Library and a lone Jitte. I'll post a report soon. Gotta go do homework!
Unless there are already 20+ critters, I wouldn't cut Apes for a non beater. However, if it is a burn heavy list then sure.
I am also on the Scroll Bandwagon. Since 1997 that has been one of my favorite cards (top 3 at least), and although I don't run any copies, I have a pair stored away for a rainy day.
Do people actually still play Scroll? Somehow it seems so old and slow. I've never tested it in zoo but if you are playing it instead of Jitte I can't say I understand how it could be better. Anyhow, here's the list I'm playing next weekend;
4 Wooded Foothills
2 Windswept Heath
3 Arid Mesa
3 Horizon Canopy
3 Taiga
2 Plateau
1 Savannah
1 Forest
1 Plains
1 Mountain
4 Wild Nacatl
4 Kird Ape
4 Qasali Pridemage
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Grim Lavamancer
2 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Lighting Bolt
4 Path to Exile
3 Chain Lightning
3 Fireblast
2 Sylvan Library
2 Umezawa's Jitte
Sideboard
2 Swords to Plowshares
3 Tormod's Crypt
2 Krosan Grip
3 Price of Pogress
2 Choke
3 Vexing Shusher
Changes from the champs disaster are;
MD
-1 Figure
-3 Helix
-1 Heath
+1 Ape
+1 Fireblast
+1 Jitte
+2 Canopy
I haven't had time to get me some steppe lynx jet but when I will I think I'll try them in the Apes spot. A question to those who run Figures, in what spot would you run them? I was thinking of testing a 2/2 split whit the Apes but I'm trying to move away from a list with 49 1 drops against a more "compact" list to get more consistency (is that even the right word the Finnish guy's asking himself while writing) in the deck.
Looks like a very solid build, hope you do well... no one really plays scroll anymore (not at top tables in big events anyway) it's more of a nostalgia factor...Quote:
Originally Posted by Micki
As for figure, try out the 2/2 ape split, you really do not want any more than 2 in a build, as you do not want to see multiples in a game, I've always found the card was weak comparatively, with the required mana investment to make him useful and all... he can bring the beats as a 1 of against random control, but altogether not so consistent, he mostly stays a 2/2 sometimes (somewhat rarely) a 4/4, and for that I'd rather pay R for an auto 2/3