catmint can you post your list or tell me what page it is posted on?
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catmint can you post your list or tell me what page it is posted on?
I am going to test a white splash.
Mostly to wish for burrenton, Gadock Teeg and Kataki (A lot of artifact based games in my meta) and to run Orim's Chant over Mindbreak trap because it does not only help vs. como, but also vs. control and dredge. Still playing around with the SB. Another nice option with white is Dauntless escort.
Creatures
4 Elvish Archdruid
4 Priest of Titania
2 Elvish Visionary
3 Heritage Druid
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Quirion Ranger
1 Regal Force
3 Wirewood Symbiote
3 Fyndhorn Elves
1 Elvish Spirit Guide
1 Viridian Zealot
Instants
4 Summoner's Pact
Sorceries
4 Glimpse of Nature
4 Living Wish
Lands
4 Forest
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Savannah
SB
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Heritage Druid
1 Regal Force
1 Wirewood Symbiote
1 Viridian Shaman
1 Faerie Macabre
1 Karakas
2 Krosan Grip
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Kataki, War's Wage
2 Orim's Chant
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Burrenton Forge-Tender
You may want to consider Qasali Pridemage in place of Viridian Zealot's place. It lacks the Elf type, but it more than makes up for it by being able to actually kill Engineered Plague. This is the most important aspect that Zealot is not capable of doing. Granted, with 4 Archdruid that's not a big issue, but it does cost 1 mana less to activate than Zealot, so it's worthwhile consideration nonetheless.
Matt Sperling took that route - but I think I'd still prefer more lords and maybe Wickerbough Elder in the side (for a wish-build). Zealot has the benefit of being hardcastable, as well as an elf.
LOL Sperling didn't build his own deck, he contracted out to Nass. I talked to him after our match in LA, and he didn't even realize why the QPM was in the deck - not realizing that Engineered Plague would be a problem. Didn't end up mattering for him that day, as hardly anyone ran E.Plague.
Huh, wasn't aware of that. But I think my point still holds.
There has been a little buzz about Genesis Wave in this deck...I recently picked up a couple to see what I could do with them.
Anyone have any experience with Genesis Wave in their elves list?
I played Genesis Wave but after seeing no one else here liked it I tried a GSZ/Pact configuration and it worked way better,Wave wasn;t bad, Im still trying to find a way to fit 1 in my deck, but its more an extra win condition and not a combo set up card
Wave is redundant and pointless. Regal force draws more for less mana and comes with a 5/5 body. If you have buttloads of mana then cast emrakul or joraga warcaller and win.Quote:
Originally Posted by gypsy
Genesis Wave is the alternate way to "combo off" without really doing it. When you have 2 priests, 2 llanowar-type's, 2 arch druids, and no glimpse in hand, you kinda feel like you want something, anything with X in it's cost.
Or this:
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Originally Posted by Atikin
its not like ur playing genesis wave over regal force, and there are many games where you can wave for a lot but can only regal force for like 4-5 cards with priest/archdruid with any quirion/symbiotes to untap them u can generate a lot more mana and "draw" more cards with genesis wave
In a list as packed as elves you are definetly having to take out something in order to fit genesis wave in, and in a game where you can wave for a lot just warcaller for a lot, or cast emrakul... Theres no point in fitting in another win con that relies on lots of mana when we already have cards that are ment for the exact same situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by gypsy
Genesis Wave is pure overkill ;P It's spectacular for 7 mana... but for that cost i can have regal force.
When i have more elves and more mana...regal is still better.
I'm running a Nullmage Shepherd in the board to wish for to get past CB/Enchantress, and plenty of Lords to deal with Engineered Plague. There's really not any other enchantments worth caring about so my secondary target is Viridian Shaman which kills Jittes and such faster and goes insane against Affinity or Tezzeret-control type decks. Although against a deck like Merfolk you should probably Wish for Phyrexian Revoker since they don't have any other creature removal worth mentioning. But Zealot is still probably the best GSZ/Pact target due to low cost/versatility. The only thing it's weak against in particular is Plague, which you should be able to deal with if you run 4 Archdruid, so yeah.
@Safety:
Genesis Wave is pretty much always worse than Regal Force, even if you had a way to tutor for it which you don't. In fact I'd go so far as to say that it's probably worse, most of the time, than Sylvan Messenger.
My friend suggested this and I think it is a good idea: Since canonist is one of our most important art/ench dest targets, it might be a good idea to run a Sylvok Replica in the board so we can wish for it and kill the canonist in the same turn. it's only one more mana than pride mage, and still has all the advantages ruckus mentioned of pride mage such as killing E plague, while also having this new advantage as well.
It's an idea. I don't Zealot, though, so I'm not the best voice on the matter.
What do you guys think of copperhorn scout?
I should've drafted this year I guess, this guy seems much better than Zealot. Also dodges Plague, and Counterbalance most of the time. Yeah, this is clearly superior as a Wish target to most other options. Not sure if it's worth keeping the Viridian Shaman to hose affinity.Quote:
Originally Posted by k2thej
I'd keep in Shaman just to deal with Equipment. Personally, I think the guys you pop should allow you to combo out, whereas Shaman is more for settling in for the long-haul.
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by bakofried