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And then, everytime I go to Face, I gotta be paired up against it lol. But yeah, that is still the best way to go about it, IMO, especially when i don't feel like putting wastelands in my list. And hope they don't get to play one million cloudpost.Quote:
Originally Posted by gypsy
ya that can always happen if you have small local metagames and one person plays it, but usually i try to ignore decks that are 1% of the metagame lol. I have only played that deck twice and beaten it both times tho, i don't think its that bad of a matchup as long as they don't get super nut draws and you draw badlyQuote:
Originally Posted by ThediscoPower
Sigh, I dont put wastelands on my 75 at all. And yea, there is only one dude in my meta that play 12posts. I guess I will just ignore it. Does Back to basic helps in this MU? I know B2B would hurt esper too, but we can fetch more basics and still be fine, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vandalize
I think you just take it as a shitty matchup, because without dramatic changes, you won't be able to deal with their lands.Quote:
Originally Posted by sadakiyo
I would highly suggest that you run Humility in the side though. Blanks all of their creatures, along with being good versus Merfolk, Goblins, SnT, etc. Just counter their Repeals, and you should be good.
Anyone have a good plan against Storm? I played it for awhile last night (playing Shaheen's list) and it was not as good as I had hoped. It wasn't horrible, but not ideal either. Especially not with people talking Storm up lately.
it doesn't blank ulamog though, because ulamog vindicates when cast.Quote:
Originally Posted by mini1337s
Good point. Well, we can always hope to dodge :)Quote:
Originally Posted by learntolove6
In all seriousness, I think you have to try to keep a Humility on board while dodging Repeals/Ulamog. I don't think this deck can ever really play the Wasteland game without some dramatic changes, and even then, I don't think it is worth it to get a leg up on the Turbo Eldrazi matchups.
How does this deck play against nic fit? I got my ass handed to Nic fit via explorer therapy, hymn to tourach. Their late game threats are just so much more dangerous than ours, not to say abrupt decay is just too good.
4 Divert in the board from now on. Also, resolved Jace or Elspeth is quite good.Quote:
Originally Posted by mike1987
How good can Divert be against a Veteran Explorer deck whose purpose is to ramp up to Standard-esque fatties?Quote:
Originally Posted by useL
http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/dec...6&iddeck=70784Quote:
Originally Posted by CorpT
Between the counters, Clique and discard, I'm not sure why you would have trouble against Storm. Where you just not getting enough disruption against him, or were you just losing because you weren't killing him fast enough?
My answer was more directed to the Abrupt Decay problem. I played against BUG-decks for 7 hours yesterday and Divert was very nice against those decks.Quote:
Originally Posted by matunos
They'll have a hard time dealing with Batterskull, but don't walk into a Therapy without being able to protect your equipment. Lingering Souls should be able to provide a lot of bodies for blocks or equipment. Swords to Plowshare their Explorers to stop their ramp and they'll become a Standard deck. They can't answer Jace.Quote:
Originally Posted by mike1987
They will fetch up. Arbor and attack with explorer and witnesss. Gsz on thrun or a haste beater is there to beat jace. Thry also run maelstrom pulse. Also, you cant plow if they play explorer amd sack it to phyrexian tower becauseu wont get priority, same goes for flashback therapy.
Best way to beat nicfit is to Resolve rest in peace or leyline of the void (for esper variants,lotv is immune to decay) so that eternal witness, flashback therspy and veteran explorer are shut down. Now, all you have to do is save your spot removal for their threats and fateseal. Counter green sun zenith. Dont let sigarda or thrun into play bevause it will kill u.
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'how to beat nicfit' reslly depends on the type of nicfit deck since there are:
Scapewish
Rectorbased
Gifts based
Intuition based
Random others
Scapewish is potentially the hardest version to beat because it can just cast scapeshift and kill you out of the blue and has acces to artifact hate for batterskull/sword/jitte. Burningwish for pulverize if you are tapped out with batterskull. Rector, intuition and gifts all rely on the gy.
Humility also fixes thr matchup pretty well. Obv care for deed
Another quick question about your list. Did you chose what graveyard removal you will run in your side (if any at all?).Quote:
Originally Posted by gypsy
If BUG is big right now, why don't we play Ancestral Vision? It's a little slow, but so is that MU. it enables us to 'gas up' mid game and can pitch to force.
Esper Stoneblade has now won 2 of the past 4 Legacy GPs and has Top-8ed the other two. 3 of those lists were nearly identical, the fouth being extremely similar.
Can we now start calling Esperblade The Deck To Beat in the format?
And given that Esper is having the most success, shouldn't Esper Stoneblade have its own Source Thread instead of being mixed in with Blade Control varieties? Over the past year the deck has proven itself to be a powerful archetype worthy of distinction.
Just because a deck wins 2 Legacy GP's doesn't make it THE best deck in the format. I'd say it's ONE of the best in the format, but the player skill has a lot to do with it. Vidi was masterful in the matchups, and Tom won because Souls wasn't a card in Legacy at that point. However, it's a VERY good deck. VERY good.
-Matt
Pretty much exactly what Matt said. Stoneblade masters take down GP's average Stoneblade players get rolled. Esper should have it's own thread though.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdematt
Esper Blade has enough difference from stock UW to warrant a new variant. If someone puts together a primer for it I have no doubt it would get popular. My own reservation is that the list has effectively not evolved since late Spring. Is there any significant changes that could be discussed in detail? For evidence, Vidi's list from the GP is only 3 cards different from his SCG Las Vegas list circa July 2012.