Chimeric Idol @3. Haunted Plate Mail if you can swing 4.
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Chimeric Idol @3. Haunted Plate Mail if you can swing 4.
Death Pulse is not bad. Could be played through a Nether Void too.
I did try Haunted Platemail before but the 4 cmc hurted much. :eek: Despite that, I have Nether Spirit on the field often and equipping the spirit with the PM is pricey as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by beez
Idol effectively nullifies Cursed Scroll and Mishra's Factory (CS I've found is always best used on enemy's turn, but if you're Chimeric slapping him, the Scroll can't work and you burn mana on your turn making it hard to disrupt using whatever you top decked)
I think if I ran 62 cards, I could fit in the Idol, though I'm uncomfortable going above 60. OCD and all that lol.
I don't want my threat suite to drop below 8 cards. Though I really do miss that Idol. I'd probably end up having to remove Crucible and would need to carve bit of the deck from an angle to make it work. I think the reason Mishra's is one of the staples in Pox archetype is solely due to the extremely high number of disruption spells and all we have 'left to work with' is land, hence man-land threats and land-spells like Bokuja bog and Wasteland.
You think removing my 'bombs' that are Night of Souls' Betrayal and Engineered Plague maindeck would work? NoSB has pulled heavy weight in games. Best top deck in the universe I had was against a Thopter Foundry/sword of the Meek deck [laugh] that recovered and had lethal on board AND WHAM, NoSB, he scooped laughing his ass off when it hit.
http://www.mtgtwincast.com/Articles/...PoxPrimer.html
Very old 'classic' list, but making room for Liliana is easy. I do appreciate his old school sideboard. Warning* Nostalgia rush! :laugh: He runs Mishra's and Idol... :eek:
If you really need more cheap threats, could just up the manland count? Add Mutavault maybe? I still like Tombstalker too, but I know you said you wanted something different
Phyrexian Totem is kinda like chimeric idol, but with a different drawback.
Mimic Vat as long as your opponent has creatures
Thanks for the inputs everyone. Behold, Ancient Pox. Some pros and cons follow...
Win Conditions (8)
2 Nether Spirit
2 Chimeric Idol
1 Phyrexian Totem
3 Mishra's Factory
Pox FX (9)
4 Innocent Blood
4 Smallpox
1 Pox
Targeted Disruption (17)
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Sinkhole
4 Wasteland
1 Ghost Quarter
Planeswalker (4)
4 Liliana of the Veil
Utility and Nukes (3)
1 Engineered Plague
1 Night of Souls' Betrayal
1 Crucible of Worlds
Mana and Land (19)
4 Dark Ritual
4 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Maze of Ith
1 Cabal Pit
9 Snow-Covered Swamp
Sideboard
2 Pithing Needle
1 The Rack
1 Underworld Dreams
3 Engineered Plague
3 Ensnaring Bridge
2 Extirpate
3 Relic of Progenitus
Pros: Deck is Pithing Needle resistant, can cast disruption and deal damage with less lands on field. Faster clocks. Extra SB threats for Planeswalkers, draw engines, and no 'target' clauses. Maze of Ith is great for threats too big to handle otherwise.
Cons: Less recurring removal in Cabal Pit/Crucible combo instead of Cursed Scroll/Liliana combo. Threats are blockable game 1 vs. old Cursed Scroll builds which are "unblockable" so to speak. Can't attack with Mishra & Chimeric simultaneously.
At first glance, the lack of a cursed scroll could be problematic, but being able to stomp their skulls with a Phyrexian Negator instead of a miserable 2 damage is satisfying. :laugh:
I just like Haunted Plate Mail out of those. Like Mishra's more than Idol and HPM is safe from Lightning Bolt while one of those against Totem is bad. You have to have a Swords. I know what you mean about the 4 mana though. It is a problem for Abyss, Nether Void and NoSB too. I find Diving Top is usefull here as you can keep it floating a couple cards deep in the draw and then draw and play it when you can and draw business or something you don't mind discarding. Here is my current Mono-black Pox.
Pox
1 Nether Spirit
4 Liliana of the Veil
1 The Abyss
1 Haunted Plate Mail
2 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Cursed Scroll
2 Crucible of Worlds
3 Dark Ritual
4 Innocent Blood
4 Inquisition of Kozaliek
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Sinkhole
4 Smallpox
1 Pox
24 land
4 Wasteland
10 Swamp
2 Cabal Pit
4 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Mishra's Factory
Side
3 Ratchet Bomb
3 Pithing Needle
1 Night of Soul's Betrayal
2 Engineered Plague
2 Trinisphere
4 Leyline of the Void
What was interesting when I played it last it was against a Deadguy type build and I ended the game with a Crucible of Worlds in play 5 lands and a Cabal Pit -Crucible holding off Bitterblossom tokens as they entered play and a Cursed Scroll picking away for the win. I feel like I could use a third Scroll for the occasional Abrupt Decay.
4 Bloodghast
4 gravecrawler
4 mardu shadowspear
4 bloodsoaked champion
1 filth
2 geralf's messenger
1 withered wretch
2 death's shadow
3 inquisition of kozilek
4 Pox
4 gitaxian probe
4 cabal therapy
1 buried alive
1 snuff out
2 mishra's factory
3 urborg, tomb of yawgmoth
3 wasteland
9 swamp
1 dark ritual
4 chrome mox
With the new 1cc creature, Mardu Shadowspear, i thought i should make a fast aggro deck.
Play creatures, play discard and play Pox. In that order
Hey Guys,
i´m pretty sure this has been discussed before, but since I'm new to Pox, i have to ask about Bitterblossom as a WinCon? It´s hard to remove, cmc 2 and even without Equipment, it provides us with an endless stream of faeries.
Furthermore, i´m surprised that i see so few copies of The Abyss in Pox Decks, even in Sideboards. Isn´t this a viable card for sideboards or even maindecking since it only hits our recurring Nether Spirit?
Same goes for the god ol`Nether Void. Always thought this is a must for this kind of Deck.
I've never tried bitter blossom but because of abrupt decay and councils judgement a lot of decks can remove it reasonably easily. The life loss is also a concern, a deck like RUG delver might just be able to burn you out before you kill them because of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnvilOfCrom
As for the Abyss and Nether Void not seeing play, in the dark I'm going to guess it is because of price. Both are very expensive and see play in almost no other decks so I can't imagine a lot of players out there really want to fork over a collected $600 for 1 of each of those two cards.
Thanks for the quick reply. I will test them. Especially one copy of The Abyss in the Sideboard could be worth running.Quote:
Originally Posted by BTY
$ price tags should never be discussed or mentioned in this forum. That's for budget building. What matters is a card's usefulness. The problem with the Abyss is both the casting cost and it's weaker power level. Pay 4 cmc to kill one of their threats, or use NoSB to kill many if not all of their threats? Streams of creatures usually mean a bunch of 1/1s or 2/2s hitting. NoSB halves or stops all the damage. After proxy testing Nether Void, I realize that Crucible Waste-lock (and G. Quarter for basics) is actually more mana friendly and frustrating to deal with. I could run Nether Void with Crucible locking but I'm VERY tight on space as is. N. Void has no immediate effect. Crucible, if I didn't play my land that turn instantly gives me back my C. Pit or W.land and blam, more disruption.Quote:
Originally Posted by BTY
The fact that bitter blossom can be killed by Abrupt Decay is a moot point. So can Crucible, so can Liliana, so can Cursed Scroll. So does that mean we should NEVER run cards that can be killed? Why's Tarmogoyf so damn popular? He can be killed for 2 or less mana as well. A card isn't 'unplayable' just because it can be killed or countered. It's real problem is that it puts the caster on a clock for very little return. You going to put Umezawa's Jitte for your faeries to use? When I see 1/1 swarm decks, I laugh maniacally inside. However, Pox historically has problems being an aggro-control hybrid, of which I gave up on. I don't advocate Bitterblossom, but hey, maybe you'll go further? I've tried, failed, and don't want to waste my energy on it.
I've decided on removing 'nuke everything' sideboard cards to simply dodging the problem. Player can't be targeted? Pick threats that don't care. Pithing needle me? Pithing this, fool! (plays The Rack) But they're drawing too many cards! Chains of Mephistopheles stalls, Underworld Dreams KILLS! It's quite the predicament. :cry:
Are any of you aggro playing Poxers hyped about Tasigur, the Golden Fang? A black Legendary Tarmogoyf for 1 cmc sounds good. He may shrink enemy goyfs as well. His ability is solid for Loam Poxers I'm sure.
Hello, I played against a MBC this week end.
Not sure about the entire list, but he was doing pretty well. As I met him on the last round at (we were both at 3 wins - 2 losses).
4 liliana
4 Innocent blood
4 Smallpox
4 HTT
4 TS
4 Infernal contract
4 Geth's verdict
4 Soul spike
3 Gate keeper of Malakir
3 Demigod of Revenge
14 swamp
4 Cabal Pit
2 Barren Moor
1 Urborg, Tomb of yawgmoth
1 Lake of the Dead
It is not a pure traditional pox list but don't fool yourself it was 3 games of pure attrition war.
Those infernal contract + soul spike are insane... And I died G2 on a resolved Demigod which brought back his brothers...
If anyone is interested in trying something new, I thought I should share what I saw.
So I imagine with the banning of treasure cruise pox is better positioned in today's meta. A while back I was successful with "eight rack" pox and I'm planning on bringing it to my lgs in the next couple weeks. Most recently I saw a lot of 12post and rwu nemesis type decks along with other random delver decks. Deck list is as follows.
Artifacts:8
The rack x 4
Ensnaring bridge x 4
Discard spells:13
Inquisition of kozilek x 4
Thoughtseize x 4
Hymn to tourach x 4
Ravens crime x 1
Pox effects:5
Small pox x 4
Pox x 1
Other stuff:12
Liliana of the veil x 4
Innocent blood x 4
Shrieking affliction x 4
Land:22
Swamp x 19
Tomb of yawg x 3
(Would like some advice on other utility lands)
Sideboard: 15
Torpor orb x 2
Chains x 1 ( I think this should be two.)
Lotv x 4
Toxic deluge x 2
Unmask x 2
Ratchet bomb x 2
Pithing needle x 2
Board is up in the air, again the meta was a lot of post and lame delver/nemesis rwu boringness. All comments are appreciated and considered, thanks!
Why no Wastelands?
In my thinking I want the opponent to be able to play spells to lessen the cards in their hand. Pox, innocent blood type stuff should clean up the remaining mess. Also, I don't know of any non-basics that sway my game plan. Never have I really wanted wasteland when playing this deck in my experience, I may be wrong though in my philosophy though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosaapje
I always saw Pox as a resource denial deck, so destroying their hand with discard and their mana base with land destruction. Running Sinkhole isn't necessary in my opinion but Wasteland + Smallpox can destroy a deck so hard, especially if you're on the play. I think it's worth it to run the Wastelands, it's not about utility land which you can destroy (which also can be nice but not the reason why you run it). You run it so that they can never carry out their game plan. Either their hand is destroyed or they can't cast anything. And it's not like the Wastelands would go into the spell spot in this deck, you can just run 13 Swamps, 4 Urborg, 4 Wasteland.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmythegreek
I'll give them a try. Thanks. I'm thinking another ratchet bomb in the side might be necessary for decks packing chalice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosaapje
If Chalice is of frequent occurance in your meta then I would do it. It's also a solid answer against other enchantment and artifacts so it's going to be useful in other match ups as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmythegreek
Have you guys tried 4 surgical extraction maindeck?
With discard and LD i think we could use it two ways: Aiming for the lands or the cards in the grave that are important for the opponent.
Against combo we can make them discard a piece of the combo and surgical it
Against control we can get rid of a card or try to disrupt the lands targeting fetchs or duals in the grave after a smallpox
Against aggro it can remove troublesome creatures after they hit the graveyard
What do you think?