[Deck] TES - The EPIC Storm

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Originally Posted by fearphage

Would IGG have come in handy here? Perhaps it is personal preference, but I generally IGG-loop people to death. I use Ad Nauseam as my 1-of "oh shit" button instead of the centerpiece of the deck which seems to be how it functions for most of the others here.

Yesterday, I participated in a few informal single-elimination tournaments with a few changes to my normal decklist. The biggest change for me was more disruption and moving Empty the Warrens to the board (+1 duress +SB Empty the Warrens). Two Game-1's could have been won, if I'd have had EtW maindeck. It is my secondary kill condition just fyi.

By putting EtW in the side and removing IGG maindeck, it feels like you are putting all your eggs in the Ad Nauseam basket. TES used to have a bevy of threats and outs but now you are narrowing the focus to being dependent on AN with only Burning Wish allowing you to find other threats. This seems like a poor judgement call. I run more acceleration than most lists I've seen lately, and I don't have excess mana most of the time, so infernal -> wish -> IGG is not something I can afford on a consistent basis.

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I mulligan and top deck Ill Gotten Gains more than I cast Ill Gotten Gains, while I know I'm going to lose a game here or there to Ad Nauseam, Infernal Tutor for Burning Wish is more than functional if Meddling Mage targets Ad Nauseam (and in that case, why wouldn't Meddling Mage target Infernal Tutor?) As long as you loop Infernal Tutor thru' Burning Wish, you just don't need more than one target for Infernal Tutor.

I removed Mystical Tutor because Mystical Tutor is slow, card disadvantage and gives away information. The deck is more than redundant, knowing what to keep and what to mulligan well goes a long way.

You can 2xGlimmer Void/1x Forbidden Orchard or 2xForbidden Orchard/1xGlimmer Void, but Undiscovered Paradise sucks balls because missing land drops isn't acceptable ever - especially when you want to set up with Burning Wish, Duress, Cantrip or Tinder Wall etc.

I took T.E.S to the Boston 5K and here was my list:

Instants:
4x Brainstorm
4x Dark Ritual
3x Mystical Tutor
2x Ad Nauseam
1x Cabal Ritual
1x Orim's Chant
1x Wipe Away

Sorceries:
4x Burning Wish
4x Rite of Flame
4x Duress
3x Infernal Tutor
3x Ponder

Artifacts:
4x Lion's Eye Diamond
4x Lotus Petal
3x Chrome Mox

Lands:
4x Polluted Delta
4x Bloodstained Mire
2x Underground Sea
2x Volcanic Island
1x Scrubland
1x Badlands


I did terrible, and I'll talk about how/why later.

Hey guys

I never posted on this forum till now, but i follow it very closely.
I play the deck for months now on MWS ( I always play UGR ThreshThreshThreshThreshThresh at tournaments), but would like to take this list to my next tournament

Lands
4 [AN] City of Brass
4 [WL] Gemstone Mine
2 [VI] Undiscovered Paradise
1 [MR] Glimmervoid

Spells
4 [DIS] Infernal Tutor
2 [MI] Mystical Tutor
1 [ON] Chain of Vapor
4 [MM] Brainstorm
1 [US] Ill-Gotten Gains
1 [SC] Tendrils of Agony
1 [ALA] Ad Nauseam
4 [MI] Lion's Eye Diamond
4 [TE] Dark Ritual
1 [TO] Cabal Ritual
4 [CS] Rite of Flame
4 [JU] Burning Wish
4 [TE] Lotus Petal
4 [LRW] Ponder
3 [MR] Chrome Mox
3 [US] Duress
4 [PS] Orim's Chant

Sideboard
1 [US] Ill-Gotten Gains
1 [SC] Tendrils of Agony
3 [SC] Xantid Swarm
1 [MM] Unmask
3 [IA] Pyroblast
1 [PS] Hull Breach
1 [TSP] Empty the Warrens
2 [GP] Shattering Spree
1 [AL] Diminishing Returns
1 [10E] Deathmark

I know the unmask seems odd, but i love the card since it can remove pesky stifles or E.E's for free, it saved my hairy ass a dozen times where duress would not.

What should i cut for the SB Duress?, except unmask :P

What should i change an my mana base? -1 C.Ritual + 1 Land?, what lands etc?, note i tried duals and i never liked them in TES, they always screwed me up.
Is Rainbow Vale an option?, if you used it to eot Brainstorm/mystical you can still get 2 mana out of it, more then enough most of the time.

Many thanks in advance

Unmask isn't free, you're discarding Infernal Tutor 99% of the time after you've burnt your business spell, and discarding Duress or Dark Ritual is totally unacceptable.

Regarding to the list you posted before , I think is quite perfect ,
but I ve tested your list like this :

-4Tinder Wall = +3lands +1 duress ;
Have you tried this ?
And it still go on working well

the substitution is like ANT deck but instead those cluncky mystical adding 4 burning wish.

I mean you have the same chances of winning post A.N with than withouth Tinder wall , and this way you make more stable your mana base .
What do you think?

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Originally Posted by Pelikanudo

Regarding to the list you posted before , I think is quite perfect ,
but I ve tested your list like this :

-4Tinder Wall = +3lands +1 duress ;
Have you tried this ?
And it still go on working well

the substitution is like ANT deck but instead those cluncky mystical adding 4 burning wish.

I mean you have the same chances of winning post A.N with than withouth Tinder wall , and this way you make more stable your mana base .
What do you think?

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Acceleration > Lands, you need cards you can play unconditionally in order to resolve Hellbent Infernal Tutors.

TES doesn't care about mana base stability.

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Originally Posted by SuperBean

I took T.E.S to the Boston 5K and here was my list:

Instants:
4x Brainstorm
4x Dark Ritual
3x Mystical Tutor
2x Ad Nauseam
1x Cabal Ritual
1x Orim's Chant
1x Wipe Away

Sorceries:
4x Burning Wish
4x Rite of Flame
4x Duress
3x Infernal Tutor
3x Ponder

Artifacts:
4x Lion's Eye Diamond
4x Lotus Petal
3x Chrome Mox

Lands:
4x Polluted Delta
4x Bloodstained Mire
2x Underground Sea
2x Volcanic Island
1x Scrubland
1x Badlands


I did terrible, and I'll talk about how/why later.

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so? we're waiting.

@BreatheWeapon :
I have some doubts about your build :
you really have only 5 chances of getting A.N in the deck I mean 4 i.t + 1A.N,
Are they enough? I mean burning doesnt take you a.n.

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Originally Posted by Pelikanudo

@BreatheWeapon :
I have some doubts about your build :
you really have only 5 chances of getting A.N in the deck I mean 4 i.t + 1A.N,
Are they enough? I mean burning doesnt take you a.n.

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He also has the 4 Infernal Tutors to play Ad Nauseam for 7 mana, if you have a LED.

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Originally Posted by Pelikanudo

@BreatheWeapon :
I have some doubts about your build :
you really have only 5 chances of getting A.N in the deck I mean 4 i.t + 1A.N,
Are they enough? I mean burning doesnt take you a.n.

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Yes, it's no different than pre-AN lists in terms of threat density, and you can always SB in 3 Empty the Warrens.

I think Unmask isn't that bad of an idea. As long as it's in the wishboard you can just wish for it when it works out and it won't clog up your hand. I could imagine you just wish it when you draw ToA or IGG.

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Originally Posted by matelml

I think Unmask isn't that bad of an idea. As long as it's in the wishboard you can just wish for it when it works out and it won't clog up your hand. I could imagine you just wish it when you draw ToA or IGG.

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That's really narrow, even Burning Wish -> Cabal Therapy with Tinder Wall on the board only happens rarely, and SB space is premium IMO - I've got 1 slot.

That's probably because you are the only one that plays tinder walls.

Don't take it as an offense, i tested it for a long time, but i always seem to wish that it costen R not G.

Unmask is indeed like mox: a way to get rid of cards that fill up your hand but disrupting your opponent instead of giving mana.

I also like it against decks like merfolk that pack lot of stifles, when i duress i mostly take out the fow of other counter and hope to find a duress when i nauseam, or an chant when i can pay the cost.

Also Wish for unmask costs 2 mana and a card like a dead IGG/I.T or Tendrills instead of 3 mana, this doenst mean that i don't want a duress to wish for, but sometimes being free and being able to dump card that clog up your hand is golden.

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Originally Posted by Volrath

That's probably because you are the only one that plays tinder walls.

Don't take it as an offense, i tested it for a long time, but i always seem to wish that it costen R not G.

Unmask is indeed like mox: a way to get rid of cards that fill up your hand but disrupting your opponent instead of giving mana.

I also like it against decks like merfolk that pack lot of stifles, when i duress i mostly take out the fow of other counter and hope to find a duress when i nauseam, or an chant when i can pay the cost.

Also Wish for unmask costs 2 mana and a card like a dead IGG/I.T or Tendrills instead of 3 mana, this doenst mean that i don't want a duress to wish for, but sometimes being free and being able to dump card that clog up your hand is golden.

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None taken, I'll give Unmask a whirl if for no other reason I'm always SBing in Duress on the draw.

Will Silence see play in this deck as Orims Chant 5-8?

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Originally Posted by DragoFireheart

Will Silence see play in this deck as Orims Chant 5-8?

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Definitely not. Duress punches out Counterbalance, which silence does not do.

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Originally Posted by DragoFireheart

Will Silence see play in this deck as Orims Chant 5-8?

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Again????
NO, since silence can't take off fucking Counterbalance. Stop.

Today i played some games against competent players; precisely, i did 3-1 against Dreastill, and 5-0 against Team America ( goddamn, really, I'm not joking!). Im' happy , thought those matchups to be really, really hard.

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Originally Posted by Piceli89

Again????
NO, since silence can't take off fucking Counterbalance. Stop.

Today i played some games against competent players; precisely, i did 3-1 against Dreastill, and 5-0 against Team America ( goddamn, really, I'm not joking!). Im' happy , thought those matchups to be really, really hard.

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Silence is still easily a 2/2 split or SB back up, it's not like the card isn't going to be used in Storm.

I went 2-3 at vestal today with TES (with some bullshit stuck in my eye and crying like a bitch all day), I was 2-1 and lost rounds 4 + 5 (my whole crew was 2-1 and we all lost round 4, my friend rob playing goyf sligh lost to bryant round 4.)

Does chalice 0 kill this deck? also, how does this deck do against countertop?