I only have 1 DnT player in my 30 players meta but I have plenty of occasions to use it as a "Elesh #2" on Elves (2 players), Goblins (2 players), Merfolk (2 players), Dredge (2 players).Quote:
Originally Posted by BigV54
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I only have 1 DnT player in my 30 players meta but I have plenty of occasions to use it as a "Elesh #2" on Elves (2 players), Goblins (2 players), Merfolk (2 players), Dredge (2 players).Quote:
Originally Posted by BigV54
Oh yeah, she's insane against those but none of them run Karakas :tongue: I think D&T is the only mono-color deck where Iona isn't GG
And also Miracles! Yeah technically it's not mono color but we all know White is the only color that matter.
Miracles is not necessarily GG when we Iona although it is most of the time.
Iona is great in this meta :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt-Qc
Iona on green = elves
Iona on red = goblins
Iona on blue = merfolk
Iona on black = dredge
GG...Iona wins games
Sure, me too, however, game one it can mess with their tempo. I was absolutely not advocating that you leave it in for Sb games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stryfo
There are too many times that you don't draw an Entomb but you do draw creature X and have a discard outlet and reanimation spell in hand for it to not be more important than an Islandwalking creature, at least when you have other options. Does no one else still play Archetype of Endurance?
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I was playing at a local tournament against D&T lost game 1 to SFM, could never really get anything online. Game 2 I side out Iona and side in a bunch of stuff, including Pithing Needle for the SFM or AEther Vial or whatever, and so in game 2 he leads with Karakas and I lead with Pithing Needle shutting that down, next turn I have Entomb & Reanimate in hand, wishing i still had Iona floating in the 60, the one time it would be a hard lock. But I agree Iona can be better creatures versus D&T.
@BigV54 I agree that Grave Titan is better versus BUG Delver and Inkwell is better versus D&T. My point is that against the rest of the field, as a general beater, Grave Titan is better. Which is why against that unknown deck game 1, I'd rather have Grave Titan.
It is indeed! The downside is that most of the other decks have Deathrite Shaman or other GY hate MD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deckerator
Well, Iona is great yes, but only if you make it on turn one or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deckerator
The real killer for the decks listed here is Elesh, not Iona....imo.
Sire of insanity is also game winning if you drop it on turn one.
I'm not saying Iona is bad or anything, but it can be moved in the SB if the meta calls for it. It has been done before and there's no shame for doing it.
Titan is just great. It can win games by himself. Sometimes you can't just entomb for the card you want, but going study plus titan and reanimate feels good all the times.
Grave Titan is a faster clock... Ok you got me. Switch made, Grave Titan main Inky side. Thanks for the help! I'll let everyone know how I do Sunday! :laugh:
I just ruined DnT tonight with 4c Reanimator, the list I last posted. Game one I did it with a turn two Exhumed Gris, which immediately ate an StP eot, but drew 14 (without hitting a Force) in response. Discarded down to 7, pitching both Elesh and Archetype, which I Exhume and reanimated the following turn (my turn 3) for the win.
Game two I reanimate Grave Titan and force the swords, nuff said.
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Alright so I have now my tournament results from Sunday, sorry for the delay, work caught up to me. The tournament was 4 rounds, cut to top 4 with 11 people.
Round 1: BYE! During my wait I played a few rounds against Shardless for funsies and did very well. I think my build is quite strong against them.
Round 2: vs Esper Faeries
Game 1 we both keep 7, I didn't write my exact hands this tournament but I remember it being slow but resilient. Something like Thoughtseize, Ponder, Careful Study, 2 reanimation effects, and lands. This player usually plays some form of control brew, so I figured this hand would do well. I would've been right, but Bob card advantage plus V Clique and Spellstutter Sprite beatdowns got there before I could fight through his counters.
Sideboard: -4 Force of Will, -4 Daze, -1 Elesh Norn, -2 Careful Study
+3 Show and Tell, +2 Abrupt Decay, +2 Disfigure, +1 Massacre, +1 Golgari Charm, +1 Inkwell Leviathan, +1 Keranos
Game 2 we both keep on 7 again, this time I have the turn one Iona and Daze the Force. I name white for Swords and that's that.
Game 3 was a bit more grindy and I think I played it quite well, if I do say so myself. I mulliganed to 5 (my favorite strategy to win game 3's) and kept 2 lands, Golgari Charm, Brainstorm, and Exhume. We play draw go for a bit, with both of us chaining cantrips and doing nothing for several turns. He sticks a Bob on turn 4 and I very greedily wait on the charm, hoping for at least a 2 for 1. I draw into Show and Tell to go with my Griselbrand and decide to fire off the charm first to bait any counter. It gets a Force and I immediately Show and Tell and slam Gris. I draw 14 in response to the swords and sculpt a hand of another Show and Tell, Massacre and Grave Titan. After he reveals Force off of Bob I decide to run it back and Massacre getting the Force and then Show and Tell for Grave Titan and quickly run him over with it.
Round 3: vs Belcher
Game 1 I know what he's on from seeing him play earlier and I mull to a reasonable 6 with a Force. He gets the turn 2 after my incredible misplay. He uses land grant so I have perfect information and turn one plays Charbelcher. I do some pondering, and on his turn 2 he plays Chrome Mox with Simian Spirit Guide and Burning Wish in hand. I say ok, thinking I'll Force the wish, and so he imprints it, exiles spirit guide and belches at me. Yay.
Sideboard: -2 Ponder, -1 Careful Study
+2 Pithing Needle, +1 Golgari Charm
Game 2 he goes to 6 and I Thoughtseize his Charbelcher, making him Empty the Warrens on his turn. I take one hit from some Goblins and then Exhume Elesh Norn for the win.
Game 3 we both keep 7. I play turn one needle on Charbelcher, and turn 2 needle on LED, followed by a reanimated Elesh Norn turn 3. He no longer wants to play magic.
Round 4: vs Lands. We draw into top 4. As an aside, I feel this matchup is in our favor by quite a bit. I do need to test it more but that's just my thoughts on it, wondering how everyone else feels about it.
Top 4: We split $29 or so bucks and I use that plus my winnings from two weeks earlier to snap up a MP Wasteland for $50. Whatabargain!
My list, for reference.
Creatures
3x Griselbrand
1x Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1x Tidespout Tyrant
1x Iona, Shield of Emeria
1x Grave Titan
Spells
4x Brainstorm
4x Force of Will
4x Careful Study
4x Entomb
4x Reanimate
4x Exhume
4x Daze
3x Ponder
3x Thoughtseize
1x Animate Dead
Artifacts
3x Lotus Petal
Lands
4x Polluted Delta
2x Misty Rainforest
2x Verdant Catacombs
2x Underground Sea
1x Bayou
1x Tropical Island
2x Swamp
1x Island
Sideboard
3x Show and Tell
2x Pithing Needle
2x Abrupt Decay
2x Disfigure
1x Golgari Charm
1x Engineered Explosives
1x Massacre
1x Coffin Purge
1x Inkwell Leviathan
1x Keranos, God of Storms
Just saying, but that doesn't do anything (other than potentially get your opponent to make mistakes).Quote:
turn 2 needle on LED
Needle on LED is a joke that never gets old.
Haha good point. Probably should've just named Belcher twice. So two misplays that match. Any other thoughts?
Last FNM I tried a similar list, but I was once again disappointed by Show and Tell. Graveyard hate is so rare that I won all my G2 with reanimate. I was running no discard in main deck, 4 of petals and one misdirection (saved my ass).
Beside that, I think 2 massacre are needed, just to improve our chance to find it agaist D&T, etc...
Lands? Lands!? That deck can be extremely easy or extremely hard, it really depends on our speed imo.
I've only played against lands a few times but I found the matchup to be relatively easy. Tidespout Tyrant is the blowout of the century against them, you can pretty easily get their entire board off the table by the time you win.
Lotus petal version has a easier time against lands. Just counter crop rotationQuote:
Originally Posted by Ephemeron
2 Reanimators in the top 8 of 121 Player Legacy event in Nagoya:
http://mtg.bigmagic.net/article/%E3%...82%B9%E3%83%88
Pretty basic list by Toyoshima Takurou
15 Lands
1《島/Island》
2《霧深い雨林/Misty Rainforest》
4《汚染された三角州/Polluted Delta》
1《沼/Swamp》
1《Tropical Island》
3《Underground Sea》
2《新緑の地下墓地/Verdant Catacombs》
1《Bayou》
7クリーチャー
1《大修道士、エリシュ・ノーン/Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite》
1《核の占い師、ジン=ギタクシアス/Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur》
3《グリセルブランド/Griselbrand》
1《エメリアの盾、イオナ/Iona, Shield of Emeria》
1《潮吹きの暴君/Tidespout Tyrant》
38呪文
4《渦まく知識/Brainstorm》
4《目くらまし/Daze》
4《納墓/Entomb》
4《Force of Will》
4《入念な研究/Careful Study》
3《死体発掘/Exhume》
4《再活性/Reanimate》
2《実物提示教育/Show and Tell》
4《思案/Ponder》
1《動く死体/Animate Dead》
4《水蓮の花びら/Lotus Petal》
15サイドボード
1《霊異種/AEtherling》
1《灰燼の乗り手/Ashen Rider》
3《突然の衰微/Abrupt Decay》
1《見栄え損ない/Disfigure》
1《虐殺/Massacre》
1《花の絨毯/Carpet of Flowers》
2《真髄の針/Pithing Needle》
1《実物提示教育/Show and Tell》
2《すべてを護るもの、母聖樹/Boseiju, Who Shelters All》
2《狼狽の嵐/Flusterstorm》
And a verry interesting one by Hayasshi Masahito
21土地
4《Badlands》
4《燃え柳の木立ち/Grove of the Burnwillows》
4《血染めのぬかるみ/Bloodstained Mire》
2《Scruband》
2《新緑の地下墓地/Verdant Catacombs》
2《沼/Swamp》
1《山/Mountain》
1《ヨーグモスの墳墓、アーボーグ/Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth》
1《Bayou》
12クリーチャー
4《死儀礼のシャーマン/Deathrite Shaman》
2《真実の解体者、コジレック/Kozilek, Butcher of Truth》
2《墓所のタイタン/Grave Titan》
1《グリセルブランド/Griselbrand》
1《エメリアの盾、イオナ/Iona, Shield of Emeria》
1《大修道士、エリシュ・ノーン/Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite》
1《灰燼の乗り手/Ashen Rider》
27呪文
4《納墓/Entomb》
4《死体発掘/Exhume》
2《再活性/Reanimate》
3《動く死体/Animate Dead》
4《信仰無き物あさり/Faithless Looting》
4《罰する火/Punishing Fire》
2《師範の占い独楽/Sensei’s Divining Top》
3《ヴェールのリリアナ/Liliana of the Veil》
1《堀葬の儀式/Unburial Rites》
15サイドボード
4《赤霊破/Red Elemental Blast》
1《イクスリッドの看守/Yixlid Jailer》
2《無のロッド/Null Rod》
3《月の大魔術師/Magus of the Moon》
4《ゴブリンの熟練扇動者/Goblin Rabblemaster》
1《魅力的な執政官/Blazing Archon》
Kozilek has to be the new one I think
What do you think about punishing Reanimator?
I..... Don't know what to say...... Is it genius? Is it insanity? Is it utter crap? I'm intrigued but my gut reaction says that looks awful. Punishing fire kills delver decks, but delver is not too much of a problem in my experience. I just really don't know what's going on there, just for fun though I think I'll throw it together and give it a spin, you know, for science.
I wonder what the thought behind using Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur in place of the 4th Griselbrand on the more stock looking list, maybe just a way to draw if the Griselbrands got Surgical'd 🤔 Hmm.