Darkblast has outperformed Firestorm for me, they rock against birds/hierarchs. I havent found the Merfolk matchup that hard either tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojeh
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Darkblast has outperformed Firestorm for me, they rock against birds/hierarchs. I havent found the Merfolk matchup that hard either tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojeh
I wanted to get Iona, but I never hitted the DR (It was the last card I drew under S&M). Maybe I made a mistake, I don't remember how many Cabal Therapies/Bridges I had, but if I had these, I should have used. I don't remember correctly, maybe you can refresh my memory, the game was being long and my brain was not going at optimal speed as well...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojeh
Nope, no Firestorms. I felt like I had to rush him, combo-like, and it worked G1. G2 the mistake with moeba ruined the game. >.<
@gui :
What was the big mistake game 2 against natural order? Kinda curious.
Didn't notice I dredged a Moeba >.<Quote:
Originally Posted by joemauer
@Gui I got your point, but maybe waiting a little to blow up Coliseum would make your opponent fetch Bojuka in a bad time, when you had Dredger, discard-outlets and the 2 Coliseums.
That wouldn't work as well, he would land Wheel and I would have no solution, for the way I decided to side. He had all kinds of hate (Reliquary + Bog, Tutor + Tormod's + Wheel), so I don't regreat siding to combo ASAP. If I had the DR, I'd name NO with therapy, look hand, cast DR on Iona for White and try to win from there. That would actually break anything he could do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojeh
I might be confusing G2 and G3, but in one of them, he had a Reliquary sickened and no hates, and then you broke your Coliseum. Even if you find a Iona, he would fetch Karakas with the Knight. Anyway, I agree with your Sideboard option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gui
The sickened Knight was G2, he removed my grave with Bog. G3 I casted a draw spell before anything relevant hit his board, but all I had was a therapy and a bridge, and 3 creatures, without DR, and a Iona @ grave... Then I tryed to get the DR by next turn, but Wheel hit the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojeh
Yes, now I remember =)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gui
Have you thought about another DR target? Since Iona is vulnerable to Karakas and can't really do anything to stop an resolved Natural Order? I mean, in this matchup, no in the tournament, in particular.
Good Question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojeh
I think I should have gone without DR targets, as suggested by Brot_Ohne_Kruste's sideboard plan, which I was kind of using as reference.
He suggests Darkblast to fight Noble/Arbor, and that could have been relevant, too. I didn't have Darkblast @ my SB tho.
@Gui: Yes, I guess so.
I like to play Firestorm, and don't leave home without them. About the DR targets, if you had Ancestor's Chosen in your list, maybe it's a good call. I don't like him at general, but in this case, can win the race, and also is a good 4/4 first strike.
Well, I like the board without Firestorm more. Leaves more space to work with. Also, I think Elesh Norn does the trick against Aggro better.
As for combo, I'm currently cutting Iona from my board for A Flame-kin Zealot, also helps in the mirror and iona too often does nothing at all.
After several playtests, I've cut off my Gitaxian Probes from the 75 because they're so useless... I've found myself boarding it away EVERY match, and it was always a dead card in my MD. Replaced them with +2 Street Wraith, which are simply awsome (free draw that feeds Ichorid, what else would I want?).
The list I've reached is this:
Lands [11]
4 Gemstone Mine
4 City of Brass
3 Cephalid Coliseum
Dredgers [12]
4 Golgari Grave-Troll
4 Stinkweed Imp
3 Golgari Thug
1 Darkblast
Free Guys [7]
4 Narcomoeba
3 Ichorid
Other Guys [6]
4 Putrid Imp
1 Flame-kin Zealot
1 Woodfall Primus
Draw [10]
4 Breakthrough
4 Street Wraith
2 Deep Analysis
Utility [14]
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Bridge from Below
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
2 Dread Return
Sideboard [15]
4 Leyline of Sanctity
4 Ancient Grudge
2 Wispmare
1 Ichorid
1 Dread Return
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Realm Razer
Replaced the Terastodon back to Woodfall Primus because the Elephant tokens might actually give you a hard time, when Woodfall Primus just shines when you have a spare Cabal Therapy in the yard. So, Terastodon's epic land destruction was replaced with a Realm Razer in sb (which is the real bomb).
Wispmare might seem a little weird as a 2-of, but it's my only hope against a Leyline of the Void :(
Any comments?
Hi I'm new in this thread and been playing Mono Black Aggro for 4yrs and decided to try Legacy Dredge. I was able to come up with my own deck list with the help of some research. I would really appreciate if you would give me pointers and tips on this thx.
Creatures
4 Golgari Grave-Troll
4 Ichorid
4 Narcomoeba
4 Putrid Imp
4 Stinkweed Imp
3 Golgari Thug,
1 terastadon
1 Flame-Kin Zealot
Spells
4 Breakthrough
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Careful Study
2 Deep Analysis
2 Dread Return
4 Bridge from Below
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
3 City of Brass
4 Gemstone mine
4 Cephalid Coliseum
Sideboard:
4 natures claim
3 ancient grudge
4 Leyline of Sancity
1 ioona
1 dread return
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 angel of despair
LED versions of dredge are usually seen as inferior to LEDless versions, simply because they are much easier to disrupt. however, since this is the list you have, ill critique it a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by iam09
i dont like yout ichorid count, 3 is usually better. You are running the LED version, which is faster. this also means you will be using ichorid less, which is one reason to cut him. another is simply that 4 ichorid means you will have a higher chance of seeing one in your opening hand, which is rarely nice.
terastadon as a min board return target is a meta call, i dont know your meta but I dont use him main board.
why hae angel of despair in your board if you have terastadon main? use one or the other, dont clog up your air tight 75 with extra cards.
I dont know the LED version as well as i know LEDless, so im not sure how helpful i was, but I hope it this was all at least a little enlightening. =)
thanks for the tip.. i guess I'll replaced 1 ichorid for 1 dark blast, though I'm not sure what to replaced terestadon with.Quote:
Originally Posted by -Spooky-
LED Version is fine since MMS I think.Maybe replace Terastodon with Deep Analysis for the combo kill?
Actually you might wanna take a look at Parchers lists, they are quite well tailored.
Hi guys! I'm new to dredge and I have problems with my sb (I dont have it :D). I'm playing dredge list with no dr targets and -1 thug for darkblast.I would appreciate if u can help me with sb list ,my meta has Zoo,
affinity, landstill , aggro loam,UW faeries,stiflenought,merfolks ,1 epic storm and 1 dredge.
Sry for my bad english.
LEDversions are actually harder to disrupt in these times then the LEDless builds. For the first turns you go DDD against blue decks and the next turn you usually go nuts with LED and Deep Analyses. And as your not well known to the LED lists, please don't say things unless you can support them.Quote:
Originally Posted by -Spooky-
Actually, despite the currently debateable portion regarding which is seen as the better deck, his advice was fairly solid. The No Terastadon comment main does echo from Non-LED land, but I do agree that you shouldn't probably run both AoD and Terastadon both in the 75. The LED version is faster and doesn't worry as much about running headlong into Mental Misstep. I see no reason why he should have to not say something because he isn't 100% intimate with the LED versions of the deck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darklingske
Also, it'd be nice if you're going to call someone out and ask that they not contribute if you actually had responded in a constructive way and gave the poster who asked for help more in depth information instead of just stating something semi-obvious and then telling the other person to get off your lawn. Just saying.