Black & Green & Taxes made top 8 of Indianapolis, let's see how it does. Still has Mangara/Karakas and mom and Mystic, so the 'taxes' bit is still here. That's like the third major tournament in a month that "_____ & Taxes" has made top 8.
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Black & Green & Taxes made top 8 of Indianapolis, let's see how it does. Still has Mangara/Karakas and mom and Mystic, so the 'taxes' bit is still here. That's like the third major tournament in a month that "_____ & Taxes" has made top 8.
It seems more like people are just splashing Mangara in various archtype nowadays. Dead Guy and Taxes. The Rock and Taxes. I wonder what the next one will look like?
Bolt and Taxes, Brainstorm and Taxes, also coming soon is Storm and Taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by LegacyDan
Be serious, Mangara is very splashable since Vial allow to dodge his hard 1WW cost.. I wouldn't be surprised if we see "Merfolks & Taxes" with StP Standstill and Mangaras.. almost all lords are for 3..
for formal here is the link to Rock Style
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=36643
Hi, why not run Leonin Relic-Warder instead of pridemage to smoothen your mana base. Is leonin arbiter worth the slot main deck seeing your still ang aggro deck taxing your opponents lands seems weak when your up against mono decks like merfs or gobs. The old DT has lots of evasion and uses equips to finish off the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatal
Pridemage destroy and feed goyfs. Leonin Relic-Warder is similar to O-rings but when removal is much more common than enchantment effect it's not worth. Also my meta isn't tribal oriented rather combo/control, that's why there is Arbiter MD. Like u see I have on SB equips and Stoneforge Mystics when faced Tribal's or mono-colored deck with few fetchlands.
Well, it's more like people are taking the D&T archetype and splashing green, or junk or deadguy. Because you don't "splash" vial + mom + mangara + mystic + Karakas into the Rock; that's just a new archetype. This came up between the commentators, where Sullivan thought it was more like the Rock and Van Lunen pointed out that this runs 24 creatures + vial vs Rock's 12 creatures. Vial is a particular engine, and Vial married to those cards is a particular archetype.Quote:
Originally Posted by LegacyDan
You see, this is what gets me. The Rock used to be a deck that was heavily creature based, thats why it was called The Rock (and his millions). Nowadays it looks nothing like what it should. I guess what I am trying to say is I hate it when decks get changed so much and the same old name stays around, a deck changes with time, so should its name.Quote:
Originally Posted by FieryBalrog
/rant
Anyway, I look forward to seeing this new hybrid and (hopefully) reading a tourney report from its pilot.
EDIT: Why is "taxes" even in the name of that deck? The only MB difference from a lot of GBw lists I have seen is the inclusion of the Mangara package. A lot of other lists fun Mom nowadays, as well as others including the Stoneforge package. I am more and more interested on his choice in calling it Taxes instead of Rock and Junk, or Maverick and Junk.
I don't know of any mainstream GBW decks that run vial, mom or even SFM, let alone mangara. The Brad Nelson-esque Rock is nothing like that. (yea, I know similar decks existed before, just a point of reference).
You should check out the latest results from the SCG.Quote:
Originally Posted by FieryBalrog
lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by CorpT
well, I appreciate the irony.
(scroll up)
Hey guys, the Junk and Taxes that placed 3rd at SCG Indy Open was played by Brian Fisher, playing a copy of the deck I created and wrote about in my last Instant Analysis article on EC here:
http://www.eternal-central.com/?p=1388
Fisher and I tested and updated the deck slightly in the couple of days leading up to Indy. Thoughtseize and Confidant are awesome in the deck, and are totally worth the splash. Whoever said Black isn't worth it is sorely mistaken.
Expect me to write about this deck on EC for one of my Focus On Legacy articles, and expect an interview with Fisher about his performance with the deck.
I had read your article before SCG and thought of it when I saw the Fisher list from Indy. I didn't know that you worked with him on the deck. I know you must feel great about the results. Nice article, by the way. I look forward to reading your update.
Also, how did you find the four Ethersworn Canonist in the sideboard? I was thinking that Leyline of Sanctity might be a better choice. Leyline comes down on turn zero as opposed to turn two. Canonist might also slow you down, as the deck runs a lot of nonartifact spells.
Yeah Fisher is my main playtest partner at the moment, so we share a lot of technology. We both really liked the deck, and I was split between playing it and a Scapeshift deck, which I ended up playing instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin
Leyline of Sanctity is cool, but I wouldn't play a singleton of it; it's either a 4 or 0 of to me. At least with Ethersworn Canonist you can Vial it in or cast it easier if drawn naturally. Canonist is better against random Legacy decks like Elves, whereas both Leyline and Canonist suck against something like Show and Tell or the Forgemaster MUD.
I think I've found a blend I'm happy with. I keep my 1'drops at 10 and gain stonecloaker and the new bears:
11 plains
4 karakas
3 wasteland
4 rishadan port
4 mother of runes
4 Serra avenger
4 flickerwisp
3 mangara
2 jotun grunt
2 goldmeadow harrier
2 stonecloaker
3 stoneforge mystic
1 leonin relic warder
1 phyrexian revoker
4 swords to plowshares
4 aether vial
1 SoFI
1 SoLS
1 jitte
1 oblivion ring
Sb:
2 Phyrexian revoker
1 leonin relic warder
1 stoneforge mystic
1 wheel of sun and moon
1 relic of progentius
1 aura of silence
2 condemn
4 enlightened tutor
1 ratchet bomb
1 ethersworn canonist
@Joe_C: Why do you still stick with Stonecloaker? Metagame reason? I tested a similar version recently (-2 Stonecloaker, +1 Leonin Relic-Warder, +1 Phyrexian Revoker) but I found it to be too much unfocused, despite of being versatile.
@All: Is there already a general conclusion on Leonin Relic-Warder and Phyrexian Revoker? Do they worth maindeck slots? If so, what to take out?
@Joe_C, I really like the idea of your 10 1-drop version. I am sure you know that I think this deck is constantly in need of a suitable 1-drop to supplement Mom and Vial. That said, except in Emrakul-infested metagames, I have lost my faith in Goldmeadow Harrier. Also, with only one copy of both Warder and Revoker you are going to have a difficult time testing them. There is not much library manipulation, so why not 3 or 4 of each until you get a feel for them?
@lebarion, it is going to be at minimum a few more weeks until we know which, if either of these guys is going to be worthwhile. My current inclination is to make room in the sb for 3 or 4 Warders and to keep 2 Revokers in the main with another in the board. Relic-Warder is only for non-green builds and is a bit hard on the manabase even then.
@all, the discussion for this deck at Salvation is somewhat more developed than this one and the OP is far better.
There are so many decks that win by attacking harrier still serves a strong purpose, at least for me anyway. He is generally the first to come out against some decks, but he holds the opponent at bay for quite some time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn
I just added stonecloaker to my list, he is more or less another tricks enabled, plus the evasion and wisp effect with warder is pretty snazzy. I haven't been displeased with him as a two of yet.
Edit: stonecloaker is proving to be more situational than I would like. Going to drop them for another oblivion ring maindeck and harrier #3
New list below:
4 Marsh Flats
4 Scrubland
4 Wasteland
3 Karakas
3 Plains
2 Arid Mesa
1 Swamp
4 Mother of Runes
4 Serra Avenger
4 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Flickerwisp
3 Mangara of Corondor
1 Isamaru, Hound of Konda
4 Aether Vial
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Thoughtseize
4 Bitterblossom
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Umezawa's Jitte
SB:
4 Phyrexian Revoker
4 Vindicate
3 Tormod's Crypt
2 Open slots
1 Sword of ______________
Little bit of explaination:
Bitterblossom is so good with equipment. Not even close.
>>>>Couple of hours later, I booted out the Dark Confidants, and upped Bitterblossom to 4. Bitterblossom, every time I've had one is a game win.
Sword of Feast and Famine is something I board in vs Countertop. Why? Most their creatures are green, and the constant discard is very relevant to a control deck.
>>>>I'm still tossing between Sword of Body and Mind and Sword of Feast and Famine. Both are good under a Countertop, and the U/G Sword is really good under a standstill.
Duress is there for combo. However, these could easily be Phyrexian Revoker naming LED. More testing has to be done on this.
>>>>Phyrexian Revoker > Duress. Easily. Naming LED turns off one of their primary combo enablers due to the Hellbent clause on Infernal Tutor. It hurts them really really bad.
>>>>Removal of Volrath's Stronghold due to the lessening number of actual creatures in my deck, and susceptibility to wasteland. In addition, in playtesting it felt winmore.
>>>>Removal of Dark Confidant. Why? It was killing me. Really badly. Some games I'd go on lucky streaks and get lands off the top every time, and others I'd get a string of 3 CMC, and subsequently die. In addition, it just attracts so much removal/counterspells that I never usually see one on the board anyway.
with only 4x thoughtseize and 3 duress (maybe extirpates) you will not be winning any combo-match, if you are counting on discard for the combo-matchup there should be about 10 to 12 discard spells, and even then its a close call.
i would allways suggest silence/orim's chant, aethersworn canonist, leyline of sanctity, if you really insist on fighting combo
btw. i really like bitterblossom in this list, an yes its just awesome with equipments
the other thing i do not like in the sideboards are the engineered plagues just as a 2-of, and i do not think you will need any oblivion rings, plus vindicate would always be better(in every situation except emrakul is on the field)