Conclusion vs BUG Control (playtest 5 hour this MU):
Choke is no more good vs this MU - I recommend Life from the Loam+wasteland. Was thinking even on Ghost Quarter as 5th wasteland.
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Conclusion vs BUG Control (playtest 5 hour this MU):
Choke is no more good vs this MU - I recommend Life from the Loam+wasteland. Was thinking even on Ghost Quarter as 5th wasteland.
Armageddon seems like the most effective control hate. It blows BUG, Miracles, stoneblade and nicfit out of the water mid-to-late game.
Gaddock stops armageddon, would be thorn of ametist better against control?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbed Blightning
Last week Caleb Durward wrote a article about a "anti-miracles" maverick: http://www.channelfireball.com/artic...he-gw-special/
Not against Deed-based control, which kills Grandpa as dead as the rest of your creatures, and your thorn. Armageddon is a great counterstrike the following turn esp. if you have a noble and fetch in-hand. And, for miracles, the important thing to realize is how slow they are, and how reliant they are on their basics. A resolved armageddon (if cast intelligently on our part) is a death sentence for a miracle player with 4+ lands in play. Whereas Maverick spends a turn or two rebuidling, Miracles will need 3-4 before they can pick up any steam.Quote:
Originally Posted by maktus
That said, the GW Special list looks sick. I love Krosan Grips
Rigero, if you're looking to play Dark Maverick, come over to the Junk thread. It's worth a look.
As for the anti-Miracles angle, Equipment isn't bad at all. It means your one goon that's staying on board is going to actually get some damage in. Even your god-awful Dryad Arbor or Scryb Ranger might actually get some points in. If you attack using stuff they can't remove, this also helps. Running extra Planeswalkers in the board is a fine solution to this problem. Using Garruk or Elspeth to make tokens totally ruins their sweep plan, and their ultimates are very good. Regarding SFM, it's a loose slot, but you could run a 1-of just to search out your Jittes and sideboard Swords, if required. You'd have to play Swords of Light and Shadow, I think, just for the Swords/Angel Token protection.
In short, max out your Thalias, and run a combination of Teegs, Chokes, Equipment, and Planeswalkers. Don't just keep running headlong into the strategy that they're good with. Don't keep mucking up the board with creatures and then get blown out by Terminus.
-Matt
I've made to switch to Geddon effects from Choke (1 Ravages 1 Geddon in SB), but you have to be really careful if they have top cause they may Mini-ETA you which might be enough after resetting the lands on both sides, so only recommendable if you have 1-2 big dudes which might win the race.
So is this deck dead? Hasn't put up hardly any numbers. Omnitell may have pushed this deck from their 1. Anyone have any good lists with Dryad Militant? I think that speed and small disruption may help bring this deck back. Just my two cents.
It's far from dead, but I also think that with 2 hard MUs (Miracles and Omnitell) somewhere between Tier 1 and 1.5 it's not the greatest time to be on Maverick.
Also, I'm not really sure if I wanna play the Dryad unless your Meta is really Dredge infested.
Agreed. Miracles is a pain but a protected Teeg can get you there. Against Omnitell, I think Tahlia, Wateland, and O-Ring are our only outs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipp2293
What about Glowrider to supplement your Thalias? With GSZ for Dryad Arbor and Hierarchs, you should be able to land a taxer on T2 pretty consistently.
Problem against Miracles is even if a miracled Terminus is taxed, it should be payable most of the time. Also, since he lacks first strike, Glowride seems like a huge liability in aggro/tribal MUs.
You have a point that he should be quite good vs Omnitell.
Tested more CotV vs U/W Miracle its worth a slot. My tester was UW/b Miracle with 2 Perish, 2 PtE,1 Supreme Verdict on sb (so worst scenerio).
MD: 1 Gaddock, 3 Cavern of Souls, 2 SFM (2 Jitte, 1 Skull)
Sided in:
3 CotV, 2nd(1 MD) Gaddock Teeg, 1 Sylvan Safekeeper, 2 Elspeth, Knight-Errant,1 Torn of Ametyst, 1 Life from the Loam
Sided out:
4 Noble hierarch, 4 StP, 1 Umezawa's Jitte
After sideboard was favorable (not a lot but quite - enough for win).
Gameplan: Stick Mom / CotV / Sylvan Safekeeper then lock with Teeg. Tax ETA/Jace with recurring waste.
Even after Perish and Terminus CotV still turn off most stuff like BS, Sensei and all removal it was really really good. I won each game where CotV stick (except one where he had single EE and play them for 0 before Teeg).
Against Omni for sure 3 O-Rings and Torn of Ametysts are the best options.
I'm planning on trying Aura Shards in place of a SB Harmonic Sliver (really only good against Cursed Totem, which only Merfolk seems to run these days), since it can play the odds vs CB, is tutorable, repeatable (good vs Affinity?) and might catch a gas-less Omniscience. But mostly it'd be for Humility (and Moat, I guess), since that's back-breaking.
(Really I got the Aura Shards to try in an Omnishow deck, but I want to try it here too).
Also, any thoughts on Raking Canopy? Too narrow?
Played some games vs. Merfolk recently, and it just seems that I can't beat them no matter what I do. Lost 5 games in a row. I heard that it's a very easy match up so I was kind of surprised how I can't win.
Here's my current list, Mtgvault is down at the moment so I'm writing this from memory, something may be off.
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4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Noble Hierarch
3 Mother of Runes
3 Judge's Familiar
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Dryad Militant
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Aven Mindcensor
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Sylvan Library
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Maze of Ith
4 Savannah
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wasteland
2 Horizon Canopy
2 Forest
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Karakas
1 Plains
1 Bojuka Bog
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I sided in 2 Path to Exile, sided out Sylvan safekeeper and Dryad Militant if I remember correctly.
So, basically, what happened every single game was they either play a creature or a Vial every single turn, and I simply cannot keep up. Sometimes I have removal, sometimes I have Mom for infinite block, but it doesn't matter because the merfolk keep piling up on the other side of the table and even after I get a huge knight, there are to many of them and I get overwhelmed.
Any tips are greatly appreciated. I was thinking of going back to 3 stoneforge mystics, Batterskull and a sword myself.
Cut the garbage main deck tricks (i.e. Aven Mindcensor, Bojuka Bog, etc.) and add a Stoneforge package.
You shouldn't be losing to Merfolk with Maverick. They can't Islandwalk you. They lose to your removal and Mother of Runes.
I don't claim to be Maverick pro, so take my comments as you will...Quote:
Originally Posted by Codename55
Dryad Militant, Judges Familiar, these are garbage. They're not worth the creatures you've shaved to make room for them (Ooze, Mom, Pridemage from what I can tell). If you didn't have Thalia, I could maybe see Judge's Familiar, but not with Thalia, even against combo.
Dueling Grounds wrecks Merfolk (and Goblins for that matter). Don't leave home without it.
I was giving Judge's Familiar a test drive, and it doesn't so far seem to be making the cut. I would rather play a Hierarch, Mom or GSZ for 0 at first turn.
Dryad Militant hasn't really done anything for me yet but since it can be reasonably tutored with GSZ I am inclined to keep it in the deck for now. We'll have to see how it works, RUG will probably just burn it and with Mom it's almost win-more, so it's possibly garbage.
Main deck Bojuka Bog has been wonderful for me (may be a meta call). It hoses RUG, loam, dredge, reanimator and even snapcaster mages, I am always seeing plenty of each. I am amazed how useful it has been. It damn well stays.
I am running Enlightened Tutors on sideboard so dueling grounds would actually work well for my sideboard. I'll have to try it.
Have anyone tried to test a Abrupt Decay in sideboard?
It can easily take the slots dedicated to Path To Exile and Krosan Grip, because most of the targets of Path To Exile and Krosan Grip can also be destroyed with Abrupt decay, but we have the advantge of a spell that can't be countered and that is also more versatile.
I was thinking to play 1-2 Bayou MD and 3 Abrupt Decay in SB.
Any thoughts? :cool:
The deck needs a full revamp to stay competitive in the developing metagame. I think a more junkish build is the next evolution, just so many directions you can take it.
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Originally Posted by SMR0079
I would love to see mav fall out of flavor.
I can't beat this deck for the life of me with bant.
I've always wanted to see Maverick take a turn into something broken. The Loyal Retainers/Iona version was something I thought would catch on, but due to nobody having Loyal Retainers...well yea. Possibly something with Vengevine would be viable with Fauna Shaman fitting into the deck already. With Scryb Ranger, activating Shaman a couple times is good. Maybe I'm completely crazy. Maverick has always been that consistent, powerful deck that has a decent game against most of the field and probably should just stick to its core composition like the Goblin deck does.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMR0079
Fauna Shaman is way too slow to enable Vengevines. Vengevines are busted when you can put 4 of them into play on turn 4 while playing through hate. Vengevines are not busted when you can only bin one a turn (or two with Scryb/Quirion), and they are not busted when you give your opponent tons of time to rape your graveyard. I don't even think Vengevival would be a format warping deck anymore... there are just so many more answers to that 'turn 4, swing for 16' strategy these days. With Fauna Shaman? Good luck.
(The best way to power out Vengevines is in a Zombardment shell, where you have turn 1 discard outlets like Putrid Imp, Faithless Looting, and Entomb to enable turn 2 Vengevines... and Carrion Feeder/Goblin Bombardment to sac them if the opponent casts a Swords to Plowshares or Terminus)
@Hanni
You are probably right. I only suggested Vengevine as a supplement to the game plan. And they have haste.
what about playing maverick more as a junk version? Taking a lot of hand discard and some permanent destroyers like abrupt decay.
@Bignasty
I like the Loyal Retainers combo too. :)
Have you any idea to include sth. like that?
That's actually what is being discussed in The Rock thread.Quote:
what about playing maverick more as a junk version? Taking a lot of hand discard and some permanent destroyers like abrupt decay.
Not trying to be offensive in any way, but I'm not sure that the Maverick guys want to discuss Junk decks in here.
I think a Blue splash would solve Maverick's problems more than a Black splash. Splashing Spell Pierce for Show and Tell and Envelop for Terminus seems better than Abrupt Decay for... Counterbalance and Delver..?
Although, I'm not sold that any splash is needed. Teeg + a Mom or Sylvan Safekeeper is pretty rough for Miracles and Thalia + Wasteland is good against Show and Tell.
Has Maverick tested Judge's Familiar? It seems like an excellent addition to the Wasteland + Thalia plan and evasion is always good, especially with all the Exalted triggers
I don't think the Maverick decks wants to keep going small with more 1/1s. It's a bad enough wrap that Moms have to get boarded out to race decks that we can't interact with. The traditional (see my link in the sig) build is not so good anymore against Miracles/EsperBlade/RUG/Show & Tell as it used to be. I would consider testing with the Vial build first and adapting it to specific local metagames.
Why wouldn't mav be good against RUG...i dont think they made any significant changes where mav would become a bad matchup against them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
This deck should be moving towards black a bit more. Deathrite shaman was made for the black splash of this deck, almost specifically. When you're done ramping out other threats, your killing them with a black/green lavamancer + beats. Exalted is only good in the first few turns anyways, 'goyf battles' have become much less common, and heirarch is not a topdeck to be happy about.
I like Deathrite Shaman and I'm not sure what exactly you mean by comparing him to Grim Lavamancer, but just to note here, he only deals damage to opponents: "{B}, {T}: Exile target instant or sorcery card from a graveyard. Each opponent loses 2 life.".Quote:
Originally Posted by thefreakaccident
Out of those matchups, RUG is the "best" matchup at 50%. Not exactly thrilled about being a coinflip as my best matchup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avatar of Shadow
The reach is what is relevant, which is why I made that crude comparison. I would not bring a card up for discussion if I didn't know exactly what it did, so please don't accuse me of such, it's rather insulting.Quote:
Originally Posted by lebarion
Hi people, what's your gameplan against belcher? any sugestions?
Pray they give you a second turn so you can drop a hatebear, or you just lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by maktus
If you splash blue you have numerous options at your disposal: from counter magic to detention sphere.
Haven't been keeping up with Maverick much lately, so could somebody fill me in on the issues this deck is currently facing in the meta? Thank you.
The most relevant issues are the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by Valtrix
Miracle beats your ass up, as long as you dont play some Planeswalkers and more Gaddockteegs. Those changes make it harder for you to keep up with "good" MUs as RUG. If you decide not to care about Miracle, you're not going to win a tournament, so you actually have to do so. In addition to this, ANT-stormlike decks seem to have some kind of an resurgance. This MU isnt easy either. Finally, the more or less easy MU SneakAttack vanished mostly, and got replaced by Omniscience, which cant be hated out by Knight --> Karakas.
So, in general, Maverick is still a strong choice in fixed metas, but has problems dealing with RUG, Miracle and Omni AT ONCE! ... in addition to the random-combodecks, ofc.
That's what I experienced, feel free to correct me.
Greetings
Hi,
I think that is correct. With a 2nd Teeg in SB, Sylvan Safekeeper, PW, GY Hate (Bojuka Bog) and Storm hate (Ethersworn Canonist) you're good prepaired. Against Omnisneak are 2 or 3 O-Rings (or the new u/w Ring -> Tokens) a good answer.Quote:
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The most relevant issues are the following:
Miracle beats your ass up, as long as you dont play some Planeswalkers and more Gaddockteegs. Those changes make it harder for you to keep up with "good" MUs as RUG. If you decide not to care about Miracle, you're not going to win a tournament, so you actually have to do so. In addition to this, ANT-stormlike decks seem to have some kind of an resurgance. This MU isnt easy either. Finally, the more or less easy MU SneakAttack vanished mostly, and got replaced by Omniscience, which cant be hated out by Knight --> Karakas.
So, in general, Maverick is still a strong choice in fixed metas, but has problems dealing with RUG, Miracle and Omni AT ONCE! ... in addition to the random-combodecks, ofc.
Imo Goblins and Mirros are a hard MU, too. Against this More Removal, PW and maybe Linvala, Keeper of Silence are great. (-> Krenko)
My SB looks like this. It's against a unclear meta at a 50people tournament next week.
2x Tormods Crypt
2x Ethersworn Canonist
1x Gaddock Teeg (1MB)
1x Sylvan Safekeeper
3x Oblivion Ring
2x Path to Exile
1x Bojuka Bog
1x Elspeth, Knight Errant
1x Life from the Loam
1x Random - I don't know -.-
Feel free to correct me, or give me some tips.
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Originally Posted by maktus
Besides winning the dice roll and hoping for a second turn you could also play Pithing Needle or even Mindbreak Trap to avoid loosing turn 0. Against Goblin Tokens you could try things like Engineered Explosives, Detention Sphere, Dueling Grounds (if he does not have too many little green buddies) ...
But you should keep in mind that every card in your sideboard should not only be useful against one single deck. If your metagame is really Belcher/Combo heavy it would make sense to adjust your sideboard.
I dont know the percentage, but Belcher does not always kill you turn 1. My plan against the deck would be hoping and dropping Gaddock which is usualy win. And Thalia should buy you enough time as well. I think in times of UW Miracle you should play a second Teeg in your board.
I hope I could help.:smile:
Every DTB falls out of favor eventually, as the format adjusts, and people start building decks that beat it. Counterbalance was a boogieman when it first became popular, and the format evolved into Merfolk becoming a DTB because it smashed all the Counterbalance decks. Then Zoo became a DTB because it smashed the Merfolk decks. Then Maverick became a DTB cause it smashed the Zoo decks. Now you're seeing Miracles becoming a DTB because it smashes Maverick.
Maverick put 7 out of 8 players in the Top 8 of one of the SCG Opens. It should be no surprise that Maverick is falling on hard times now. You're on everyone's radar as a matchup to beat, and people have figured out how to do it.
The other problem is that Maverick is starting to run into the classic weakness of playing hatebear.dec - there are simply too many various strategies to try and hate them all out. I realize how broad the hatebears are these days, and it's a big reason for its success in here, but there will continue to be decks that just ignore their effects and/or race your clock.