Yeah, I came to the same conclusion. it's DD.
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Yeah, I came to the same conclusion. it's DD.
I agree my bad.
Assuming scores are correct right now, and assuming my calcs for the match that has no result yet, here's what round 10 looks like.
Preliminary standings for round 10:
1. silkster: 51 - 4,6
2. alphastryk: 45 - 4,1
3. Reeplcheep: 41 - 3,7
4. maxx!: 40 - 3,6
5. dte: 39 - 3,5
6. Wrath of Pie: 37 - 3,4
7. GoblinSmashmaster: 32 - 2,9
8. Asthereal (TO): 25 - 2,3
9. FTW: 22 - 2
10. H: 18 - 1,6
11. Tylert: 12 - 1,1
12. jhhdk: 10 - 0,9
Which would lead to these bannings:
Cast Down
Force of Will
Infiltrator il-Kor
Innocent Blood
Judge's Familiar
Mistblade Shinobi
Moan of the Unhallowed
Phantasmal Terrain
Saprazzan Skerry
Subterranean Hangar
Wingcrafter
And standings for the season look as follows:
1. silkster: 41,3
2. dte: 40,9
3. maxx!: 34,1
4. FTW: 32,3
5. Asthereal (TO): 26
6. Wrath of Pie: 25,3
7. Reeplcheep: 24,3
8. alphastryk: 23,9
9. GoblinSmashmaster: 23,4
10. Tylert: 21,6
11. H: 19,9
12. Karshtakavaar: 2,6
13. jhhdk: 1,6
So silk takes the lead again with two rounds to go, closely followed by dte. All to play for still!
Please still post your scores if you haven't already, so we can check whether the standings above are correct.
But in the mean time, as I'd like to finish the season before Christmas, let's get round 11 going.
ROUND 11 OF SEASON 8: PEASANT CONTINUED BANNATHON has started.
I have PM'ed myself my deck for round 11, so you can start sending me your decks.
DEADLINE: Wednesday the 16th of December at 11:00AM Central European Time.
(That's my time zone. Pacific Time it'll probably be something like Tuesday night a bit past midnight, so keep that in mind.)
PLEASE NOTE:
The way you send your deck to me matters. Please send it in the way described below, so it doesn't cost me an hour of editing before I can post all the decks.
Please send your deck as follows: Swamp, Swamp, Terror, Black Knight.
So with card tags around each card, and not above eachother, and with your Username and 4CB S08R11 in the topic.
Don't forget to keep an eye on the banned list. You'll find it in the second post of the thread, or in our Google Spreadsheet.
After the deadline has passed, I will post all decks on the forum here, and you can start puzzling out your scores.
If you have any questions, please read the first two posts of this thread first. If you can't find the answer there, drop a message here. We'll answer a.s.a.p.
Also, if you've been lurking on this thread and looking to join, you can step in anytime, any round. That's no problem at all. Just send me your deck before the deadline, and I'll add you to the competition. :smile:
Happy deck designing everybody! :cool:
I was so ready to go on Wednesday, and then not for a while after that. Hopefully this isn't too late. (I like to do my write ups before looking at the other summaries.)
Me. silkster: Subterranean Hangar, Innocent Blood, Cast Down, Moan of the Unhallowed
1. Asthereal (TO): Saprazzan Skerry, Force of Will, Infiltrator il-Kor, Infiltrator il-Kor
I have comfortable answers and a resilient threat.
6 points
2. Wrath of Pie: Mercadian Bazaar, Firebolt, Gathan Raiders, Vulshok Sorcerer
Answers and resilient threat again.
6 points
3. jhhdk: Blight Mamba, Rancor, Selesnya Sanctuary, Treetop Village
6 points
4. dte: treetop village, Golgari Rot Farm, terrain elemental, terrain elemental
I got excited by the 3/2s that trade unfavourably into me, but I think you're actually too fast for me. LL?
pending...
okay, still 0 points
5. alphastryk: Saprazzan Skerry, Force of Will, Infiltrator il-Kor, Phantasmal Terrain
0 points (hoping Terrain wouldn't be in vogue)
6. H: Mountain, Reckless Waif, Forge Devil, Death Spark
You can deal 11 damage in your first 4 turns, and then Cast Down kills the Werewolf, and I have plenty of time to make 2/2s.
6 points
7. maxx!: Treetop Village, Selesnya Sanctuary, Qasali Pridemage, Trapped in the Tower
I have too many answers.
6 points
9. Reeplcheep: Island, Judge's Familiar Familiar, Mistblade Shinobi, Wingcrafter
You can hit for 0, 1, 2, 2, 3 in the five turns before I cast two kill spells. Then you get 5 more damage before I cast Moan, then you get 5 more attacks before you die. I'm pretty sure that trying to slow roll and get value either out of a bounce or out of making me Innocent Blood one of my own creatures is just bad for you.
6 points
10. GoblinSmashmaster: Hickory Woodlot, Channel, Eldrazi Devastator, Porcelain Legionnaire
The efficiency of Innocent Blood was chosen because I was worried about this deck but the best I could manage was to scrape 3 points out of it. WL
3 points
11. FTW: Swamp, Inquisition of Kozilek, Ruthless Ripper, Hired Poisoner
The slow 1/1s I was hoping for.
6 points
12. Tylert: Island, Aether vial, Faceless butcher, Qasali pridemage
6 points
51 points, I think
I was wondering when this day would come. I never played Duress or Cabal Therapy before they got banned, but I knew that Blackmail and Shrieking Affliction were good enough to make winning decks, even after black one-drops got banned along side Cry of Contrition, Funeral Charm, Liliana's Steward, Divest, Ostracize, Tendrils of Despair, and Mind Swords. After Blackmail, I looked to Inquisition, but I didn't like the creatures that were left.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTW
When I decided on a storage land plan for round 3, the two top standouts were Moan of the Unhallowed and Steadfast Sentinel. I played the white card so that I could play the broader Oblivion Ring, but it didn't really help and my threat wasn't resilient enough to go through Path to Exile. I really thought Swords to Plowshares would be popular this round, but that's okay. It was much more important that Phantasmal Terrain and Channel didn't show up in droves.
I might be better off using Cast Down on the Elemental since you can't cast the next elemental and attack the following turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by dte
d: Activate TV, attack (s17), TE dies to Cast Down
s: SH1
d: cast TE2
s: Blood to kill TE2
You now get 5 attacks before I can make blockers, so I life at 2, but I can't kill you because you can block. So maybe you don't cast TE2.
d: activate TV, attack (s17), TE dies to Cast Down
s: SH1
d: activate TV, attack (s14)
s: SH2
d: activate TV, attack (s11)
s: SH3
d: activate TV, attack (s8)
s: SH4
d: activate TV, attack (s5)
I can make blockers here, but then you have 7 turns to cast TE2 and attack with it to force a trade and then clean up with TV. Okay, still LL, but even more close (I know, horseshoes and hand grenades).
I had these same results, so I think we're good with the standings. :smile:Quote:
Originally Posted by silkster
I've been quite impressed by the storage deck (both your white and your black, but WoP's one as well). I understand they are powerful - after all it is akin to an uncounterable vial that frees you one additional card and allows for non-creature spells - but I would have no clue how to start building them.Quote:
Originally Posted by silkster
For most decks, I usually go for the effect and the manacosts I want in scryfall. That does not seem like good restrictions for this. So I guess my question is: did you look over all magic commons??
The loser variant is usually called backbuild, and due to some atrociously terrible cards, I think it usually works better to require that the decks beat a certain minimum standard, like Forest, Forest, Grizzly Bears, Grizzly Bears.Quote:
Originally Posted by dte
There's also the variant of requiring that all decks lose to a certain deck, which we did in the last Deviant Legacy season (round 8, Storm Season), which I really liked. Both of these are nice because changing up the dummy deck completely changes the round. They're just a bit awkward because people sometimes submit illegal decks without realizing it. And it's not obvious to Asthereal either, because sometimes it's not the line you think is generally best.
I had a shortlist of abilities I wanted, and I didn't care about mana cost except for colour. It's a deck that goes over the top, so I wanted two removal spells so I wouldn't be that slow. The one-mana removal spells are all dregs, but there are tons of options at 2 and 3 mana. With only one slot for a threat, the main priority was not to draw against a lone Force of Will or Wretched Banquet, which basically means Embalm, Eternalize, or Flashback on a token producer. There are only 13 commons that fit the description (Embalmed Brawler is a false positive), and many are pretty bad for this purpose. Several have only 1 power. Battle Screech and Reap the Seagraf can't be flashed back.Quote:
Originally Posted by dte
Wrath of Pie's deck kinda went the other way, with two threats and a removal spell with Flashback. Looking closely, the difference in our results is basically just the mirror and match against Maxx!.
Speaking of Aether Vial, I was thinking about Deviant variants that would encourage completely different cards to be played. Giving players an Aether Vial sounded like a good idea, but with access to 4 creatures of any cost the games might get overall too complicated. (I think it's fine to have complicated matches, but it wears on you if every single match is a grind to compute.) Some nice solutions to make it playable and expand the card pool even further:
- Players have an emblem with "Discard a card: create an Aether Vial token."
- Players have an emblem with ":1:: Create an Aether Vial token."
- It's possible that we want to have players create Aether Vial emblems instead. Technically emblems don't tap, but I don't think allowing this creates any problems.
- In separate rounds, it could be an "Aether Vial for instants" and an "Aether Vial for enchantments".
Instead of an aether vial round, why not a momir round where you get to rig your deck to be 56 basic lands in your favourite order and then any 4 creatures in any order. That stops weird pithing needle situations.
Yeah, that's basically how I conceptualized these storage decks. 2x answer, 2x threat. Since you only get 3 cards, that means 1 has to have some kind of flashback/embalm effect, which is possible when mana cost is not a restriction. 2 answers deals with most decks while 2 threats beats most disruption, even better with multiple bodies. That handily beats the 3x 1-drop decks just by having 4 things to do, and 3x 1 drop is the tempting thing to play against FoW.Quote:
Originally Posted by silkster
I thought land destruction and fast combo would scare off these slow ramp decks for a while. But with only 1 Phantasmal Terrain in the last 2 rounds it was a smart choice for this week. You get so much more power when not limited to 1-2cc mana, especially this late in the bannings.
Regretting not just playing my own FoW deck after the top problems (Factory and Chrono) got banned. I thought it was "too obvious". alphastryk made a great call!
More deviant rounds would be fun. But even just resetting the banlist or adding in rares (or more than one uncommon) is enough to keep things interesting.
Land rule is another option. This version has some issues with cards like Mesmeric Fiend and Merrow Witsniper, and to a lesser extent with things that interact with lands. I think treating them as emblems solves those problems the best. I also think that having 4 creatures in any of these cases will lead to many very long and complicated matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reeplcheep
Factory and Chrono were big ones, but there were other answers to Force of Will. I was actually counting on Force of Will to keep fast combo at bay, and I hoped that the Phantasmal Terrain variant wouldn't be the preference this week, either going back to the hard racing version or an altogether new version.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTW
Growing the banlist definitely keeps things interesting, but I suspect people are getting tired of digging through the same junk commons. I think creatures that cost :b: is the best example. It also gets really complicated to keep track of.
I've seen the word "backbuild" appears a couple of times in the thread, and meant to ask what it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by silkster
A banlist does not fix the atrociously terrible cards?
It is exactly these kind of rounds (actually, the whole legacy deviant season) that made me read the thread and wanting to participate :)Quote:
Originally Posted by silkster
Makes a lot of sense. I before dismissed a bit the idea to build vial/storeland from the number of cards to look up, it's just that I didn't figure out what to look for ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by silkster
Sounds quite fun, but I think I am a bit newer here, so everything sounds fresh.Quote:
Originally Posted by silkster
Could have fooled me! Mistveil Plains? Freaking Tel-Jilad Stylus? Who figures out how to break those? :tongue: It's interesting that you say you're not as familiar with the cards. I mean, I believe it, but you still keep coming out of left field with crazy stuff like Channel and Isochron Scepter and Deftblade Elite and the aforementioned Stylus and Plains.Quote:
Originally Posted by dte
An open backbuild with a banlist is probably fine. The issue is that creating the banlist takes some amount of work, and then the discussion of the banlist itself gives away most of the ideas. Whereas saying that you must be able to beat Swamp, Swamp, Swamp Scathe Zombies is really clean, and also repeatable with different cornerstone decks.
My first understanding was that trying to get the draw phase back was very powerful, so I looked for these effects that put cards on top or bottom of the library.Quote:
Originally Posted by silkster
But I also read the whole thread before starting, so I saw a lot of strategies and discussions. So "new", but I built on your earlier work ;)
Wait, all 150 or however many pages there were? I thought about doing that, then just went to the google sheets for each season, but even that I didn't look through that carefully. Did you see the round where I properly did my homework and found Nether Spirit plus Mind Swords and then decided at the last minute that everyone was going to play that so I jumped to something middling instead? That was the one round where I really dug through the Blocked season, and my digging was almost successful. You'll also notice that I ended up on a storage land. I'm a really big fan of them. I was actually expecting that they'd have taken over Peasant much sooner, but there are far more land destruction spells than I was expecting, and they're not going away very fast. I had thought that there was a decent chance, for example, that Strip Mine and Ghost Quarter would be banned in the same round, like how Simian Spirit Guide and Lotus Petal were at the start of Pauper.Quote:
Originally Posted by dte
Phyrexian Revoker wants to make itself known.Quote:
Originally Posted by silkster
Traditional backbuild is building to lose to very specific conditions (like being able to produce unrestricted mana), so requiring it to win against something relevant stops this and makes it far more interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by dte
Well, only 135 pages at the time :)Quote:
Originally Posted by silkster
But yes, I read it all. It is long, but there are a lot of fun, and plenty of epics. And a lot of posts with rationales about why and what, like the one you gave for the storage land builds, so that was very informative/useful. Did not prevent me to submit a first deck (2*battle screech) that was losing to land destruction, discard and counter.
Do you by any chance have a link to a topic where that was played? I looked but did not find anything, and I still do not get how the search function on thesource works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie
I'm reading The Wheel of Time right now. That's a lot longer. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by silkster
But this discussion is great. I'm getting tons of ideas for Deviant Legacy, part 2. :cool:
To link two definitely unrelated things: we start with a Wheel of Sun and Moon emblem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
That would lead to a very complicated round. But I'll add it to the list nonetheless. :smile:Quote:
Originally Posted by dte
EDIT: About 24 hours until the deadline. Try not to be late this time. I'd like to finish the season before Christmas. :tongue:
I always welcome more excuses to submit Eternal Scourge.Quote:
Originally Posted by dte
We have not played true Backbuild here (spoiler alert: it sucks, virtually everything leads to draws), so a search would be fruitless anyways other than finding other posts in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by dte
Actually, I can't remember the last time I played proper Backbuild. Your best bet is ironically Google/insert search engine of choice here, using "card blind backbuild" as the search term.
I found a lot indeed, thanks! Quickly enough the troubles with backbuild were clear, but I saw a lot on 4CB/XCB in general which was interesting. I didn't imagine it was so played, and since so long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie
And it seemed to me that what we were playing here was more interesting than most of what I read, which was somehow made obnoxious by black lotus, stale metas or other things. I guess I have to thank Asthereal for this ;)
Black Lotus is indeed obnoxious, because people think it increases diversity when it really does not. When you have to ban cards like Grave Titan to keep Lotus in the format, maybe the problem is actually Lotus itself and not the threats?
Historically Card Blind was a lot more popular than it is now, must be because the entertainment options out there are massive, and Card Blind is not exactly simple.
Emblems don't seem to have names. Or at least we could say you get an "Instant Vial" emblem, and you can't name that because there's no card with that name. But I'm glad you bring it up because having that misunderstanding would definitely lead to feel bads for either the submitter who is told it doesn't work or the rest of the field who get stomped by this misunderstanding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie
It's like the least simple game ever. There's a huge barrier to entry. But once that cost is paid, it's really awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie
I was planning on just banning Peedle and Revoker, honestly.Quote:
Originally Posted by silkster
I don't feel like having a discussion and we can surely live without those cards for a round.
But a Vial round is definitely on the menu in Deviant Legacy part 2. :cool:
Yeah, it's funny how MtG gets more complicated if you play less cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by silkster
Anyway, it looks like I have everybody's deck, so I'll try to post them as soon as I find time. Should be within a few hours.
DECKS FOR ROUND 11 OF SEASON 8: Peasant Continued Bannathon
1. Asthereal (TO): Treetop Village, Golgari Rot Farm, Gathan Raiders, Basking Rootwalla
2. jhhdk: Plains, Lagonna-Band Trailblazer, Lagonna-Band Trailblazer, Flickering Ward
3. GoblinSmashmaster: Swamp, Putrid Imp, Reanimate, Faultgrinder
4. dte: Hickory Woodlot, island, Squirrel Nest, Wistful thinking
5. Reeplcheep: Hickory Woodlot, Channel, Ulamog's Crusher, Strider Harness
6. alphastryk: Swamp, Inquisition of Kozilek, Plagued Rusalka, Hired Poisoner
7. H: Rushwood Grove, Vine Trellis, Elephant Ambush, Emperor Crocodile
8. Wrath of Pie: Vitu-Ghazi, the City-Tree, Boros Garrison, Golgari Rot Farm, Firebolt
9. maxx!: Forest, Glistener Elf, Invigorate, Scale Up
10. FTW: Wind-Scarred Crag, Ancient Tomb, Stone Rain, Porcelain Legionnaire
11. Tylert: Hickory Woodlot, Channel, Eldrazi Devastator, Honey Mammoth
12. silkster: Island, Ancient Tomb, Aven Eternal, Wistful Thinking
Please post your scores and cross-check with the opponents.
We also have a new Google Spreadsheet for the season, so you can enter your scores there as well: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
1. Asthereal (TO): Treetop Village, Golgari Rot Farm, Gathan Raiders, Basking Rootwalla
Wow, Inquisition feels so bad here. Don't see a way to beat your 3 threats. LL
0-6
2. jhhdk: Plains, Lagonna-Band Trailblazer, Lagonna-Band Trailblazer, Flickering Ward
[Updated] Inquisition takes Ward, and deathtouch on the Poisoner lets me push through the 0/4s. WW
6-0
3. GoblinSmashmaster: Swamp, Putrid Imp, Reanimate, Faultgrinder
I can always Inquisition Reanimate before you can use it, then my 2 1/1s beat your single 1/1. WW
6-0
4. dte: Hickory Woodlot, island, Squirrel Nest, Wistful thinking
OTP: I can Inquisition your Squirrels, and I get a turn to play out one of my creatures before I lose my hand. W
OTD: I can take away the Squirrels but I lose my hand afterwards. D
4-1
5. Reeplcheep: Hickory Woodlot, Channel, Ulamog's Crusher, Strider Harness
Inquisition taking Channel wins it both ways. WW
6-0
6. alphastryk: Swamp, Inquisition of Kozilek, Plagued Rusalka, Hired Poisoner
This is me
7. H: Rushwood Grove, Vine Trellis, Elephant Ambush, Emperor Crocodile
So many threats! I can't compete. LL
0-6
8. Wrath of Pie: Vitu-Ghazi, the City-Tree, Boros Garrison, Golgari Rot Farm, Firebolt
Now that's how you beat discard! I can't interact with your ability to produce threats at all. LL
0-6
9. maxx!: Forest, Glistener Elf, Invigorate, Scale Up
OTP: I can take the Elf with Inquisition and that does it. W
OTD: [Updated] I can lead with my deathtouch blocker to avoid dying right away, then take Invigorate with Inquisition. Then I play Rusalka and attack slowly with that, leaving the death touch blocker for safety. W
6-0
10. FTW: Wind-Scarred Crag, Ancient Tomb, Stone Rain, Porcelain Legionnaire
I should always get to Inquisition Stone Rain before you can cast it, and Rusalka beats Legionnaire. WW
6-0
11. Tylert: Hickory Woodlot, Channel, Eldrazi Devastator, Honey Mammoth
I feel like I'm missing something here? Honey Mammoth seems like it can never be cast even with Channel, as there is no way to pay the GG. Either way, Inquisition takes Channel. WW
6-0
12. silkster: Island, Ancient Tomb, Aven Eternal, Wistful Thinking
OTP: I can Inquisition the Aven and get a turn to play a 1/1 before I lose my hand. W
OTD: I can't beat the Aven, so I have to Inquisition it but then I lose all my threats to Wistful Thinking. D
4-1
Total: 44 points
10. FTW: Wind-Scarred Crag, Ancient Tomb, Stone Rain, Porcelain Legionnaire
1. Asthereal (TO): Stone Rain on tapped Village or Rot Farm wins this. WW 6-0
2. jhhdk: Stone Rain on Plains stops your engine, but a 0/4 or 1/5 blocker stops my attacker. DD 2-2
3. GoblinSmashmaster: OTP my T2 LD stops you. OTD your T2 LD would stop me, so I just play T1 Tomb Legionnaire. Your 4/4 trampler still beats through and kills me from 16 faster than I can race you at 13. WL 3-3
4. dte: OTP T2 Stone Rain on Woodlot wins. OTD I play T1 Legionnaire. You still have to play Wistful Thinking first to prevent Stone Rain on your Squirrel land. Then you can just tank a few hits to make 1-2 attackers and infinitely chump block. WL 3-3
5. Reeplcheep: OTP I destroy your land. OTD I point out Ulamog's Crusher was banned many rounds ago with Exhume, which is why no one played it with Channel. WW 6-0
6. alphastryk: I knew I'd be weak to T1 discard, but was hoping no one would play it after my bad performance last week. I forgot Plagued Rusalka was still legal. It's already been used so many times. I would have done much better last week with it! LL 0-6
7. H: Stone Rain beats storage land. WW 6-0
8. Wrath of Pie: Stone Rain on tapped Boros Garrison stops both Firebolt and Ghitu. WW 6-0
9. maxx!: OTP T2 Stone Rain on Forest stops both spells and my T3 3/1 races. OTD I can play T1 Legionnaire, but Scale Up forces a chump block, then I just lose to a 1/1. WL 3-3
11. Tylert: OTP T2 Stone Rain on Woodlot stops you. OTD 12 life with an 8/9 trample races my 3/1. WL 3-3
12. silkster: OTP T2 Stone Rain stops you. OTD T1 Legionnaire races Aven. WW 6-0
44 points (14 wins, 2 draws)
@silkster and dte: both of you were waiting for FoW to get banned to finally play the discard 4, weren't you? I had it in my gauntlet too but went for the land destruction in case there was more storage land flashback nonsense.
Inquisition looks so much better against a field of T2 combo decks (7!!) instead of vs Force+Kor and Treetop Village. Good timing pulling this out after Force is banned.Quote:
Originally Posted by alphastryk
Ahah!! you are not missing anything. I was trying to tech around channel and forgot that it produced colorless mana only :(Quote:
Originally Posted by alphastryk
My fault I try to submit something early and spent 3 mins on it!!
I thought crusher was still unbanned because someone mentioned it losing the mirror to devastator.
0 points illegal deck I
Oh that's sad. I kinda assumed you played the legal threat and never checked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reeplcheep
There's one Annihilator creature that's legal (though I believe it's uncommon) and one large colorless trampler, but I can never remember their names.
And something else I overlooked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tylert
Would surely be nice if I had actual time to organize this properly, but alas I don't have time to look at all the entries.
I had to triple check it was still legal, couldn't believe it was! Bad Fume Spitter is still Fume Spitter though, and I didn't want to lose to the Legionnaire backup plan out of the Channel decks I expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTW
Definitely did better than I expected! I knew I'd have game against Channel, but was worried there would be a lot of slow storage land decks.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTW
:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Tylert
Oh man I didn't even notice, skimmed right over which threat it was after Channel. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Reeplcheep
H: Rushwood Grove, Vine Trellis, Elephant Ambush, Emperor Crocodile
1. Asthereal (TO): Treetop Village, Golgari Rot Farm, Gathan Raiders, Basking Rootwalla
Damn, I should have picked a simpler deck, since it would probably be just as bad in results. Anyway, lets see, since on the surface level, we both have two 3/3's and a 5/5.
T1 H: Grove, pass.
T1 A: Village, pass.
T2 H: Put a counter on Grove [G=1], pass.
T2 A: Farm, return Village pass.
T3 H: Put a counter on Grove [G=2], pass.
T3 A: You could get in for 3, or play Raider. I'd guess getting Raider online might be better, so we'll try that. Morphed Raider, pass.
T4 H: Play Trellis, pass.
T4 A: Discard Rootwalla and play it, unmorph Raiders, attack with Raider and Village, I block Village with Trellis, [H=15], pass.
T5 H: Put a counter on Grove [G=1]. I think it is clear I am way too slow.
0-6
2. jhhdk: Plains, Lagonna-Band Trailblazer, Lagonna-Band Trailblazer, Flickering Ward
I don't think I can beat a grow plan. 0-6
3. GoblinSmashmaster: Swamp, Putrid Imp, Reanimate, Faultgrinder
I can't beat LD. 0-6
4. dte: Hickory Woodlot, island, Squirrel Nest, Wistful thinking
Funny I would lose to a card named Thinking, since I honestly did not about my deck. 0-6
5. Reeplcheep: Hickory Woodlot, Channel, Ulamog's Crusher, Strider Harness
I guess I get points here? 6-0
6. alphastryk: Swamp, Inquisition of Kozilek, Plagued Rusalka, Hired Poisoner
Well, Inquisition isn't good and 1/1's don't really stack up, 6-0.
7. H: Bye, myself.
8. Wrath of Pie: Vitu-Ghazi, the City-Tree, Boros Garrison, Golgari Rot Farm, Firebolt
I don't know about this one. So let's see:
T1 H: Grove, pass.
T1 W: Vitu, pass.
T2 H: Put a counter on Grove [G=1], pass.
T2 W: Farm, return Vitu pass.
T3 H: Put a counter on Grove [G=2], pass.
T3 W: Vitu, pass.
T4 H: Play Trellis, pass.
T4 W: Garrison, return Vitu, pass.
T5 H: Put counter on Grove [G=1], pass.
T5 W: Make a 1/1 [S=1].
T6 H: Put a counter on Grove [G=2], pass.
T6 W: Make a 1/1 [S=2].
T7 H: Put a counter on Grove [G=3], pass.
T7 W: Make a 1/1 [S=3], attack with the other 2, I block one [H=19].
T8 H: Play Crocodile, pass.
T8 W: With 3 blockers, plus the Firebolt, if I attack, I will lose the Croc. I can't wait, so I just lose.
0-6
9. maxx!: Forest, Glistener Elf, Invigorate, Scale Up
Ha, nope. 0-6
10. FTW: Wind-Scarred Crag, Ancient Tomb, Stone Rain, Porcelain Legionnaire
Stone Rain, haha, nope. 0-6
11. Tylert: Hickory Woodlot, Channel, Eldrazi Devastator, Honey Mammoth
Irrelevent that the Mammoth is uncastable, I lose. 0-6
12. silkster: Island, Ancient Tomb, Aven Eternal, Wistful Thinking
More losing to (not) Thinking, 0-6
Looks like 12, half of which is because of an illegal deck, haha.
The other legal options areQuote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
Hand of Emrakul - Annihilator 1, but loses the mirror
Pardic Wanderer - a weenie
some other vanilla stuff that's just worse than Devastator
Ulamog's Crusher is probably the best common creature to cheat out with Channel, Reanimate, or anything else, but it got banned quickly in Pauper for that very reason
Too bad Reeplcheep has to get DQed again. Haste Annihilator is good tech!
Firebolt is a sorcery, so the Croc can beat through the 1/1s until he has 5. Meanwhile you can build up to your 3/3s if he tries to trade 5-for-1. I think you should be able to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by H
GoblinGrindmaster Results for Round "Combo Wombo"
1. Asthereal (TO): Treetop Village, Golgari Rot Farm, Gathan Raiders, Basking Rootwalla
Grinder smash! 6-0
2. jhhdk: Plains, Lagonna-Band Trailblazer, Lagonna-Band Trailblazer, Flickering Ward
Grinder smash, then stare 4-1
3. GoblinSmashmaster: Swamp, Putrid Imp, Reanimate, Faultgrinder
That's me!
4. dte: Hickory Woodlot, island, Squirrel Nest, Wistful thinking
Wistful thinking 3-3
5. Reeplcheep: Hickory Woodlot, Channel, Ulamog's Crusher, Strider Harness
No Crushing allowed!! 6-0
6. alphastryk: Swamp, Inquisition of Kozilek, Plagued Rusalka, Hired Poisoner
Inquisition :( 0-6
7. H: Rushwood Grove, Vine Trellis, Elephant Ambush, Emperor Crocodile
Grinder smash! 6-0
8. Wrath of Pie: Vitu-Ghazi, the City-Tree, Boros Garrison, Golgari Rot Farm, Firebolt
Grinder smash! 6-0
9. maxx!: Forest, Glistener Elf, Invigorate, Scale Up
Grinder smash! 6-0
10. FTW: Wind-Scarred Crag, Ancient Tomb, Stone Rain, Porcelain Legionnaire
Stone Rain 3-3
11. Tylert: Hickory Woodlot, Channel, Eldrazi Devastator, Honey Mammoth
Grinder smash, then devastated 3-3
12. silkster: Island, Ancient Tomb, Aven Eternal, Wistful Thinking
Wistful thinking 3-3
Total: 46 points
If everyone is ok with it I would appreciate be allowed to play hand of Emrakul instead. I do understand taking the L x22 because this is my third strike
8. Wrath of Pie: Vitu-Ghazi, the City-Tree, Boros Garrison, Golgari Rot Farm, Firebolt
1. Asthereal (TO): Treetop Village, Golgari Rot Farm, Gathan Raiders, Basking Rootwalla LL
2. jhhdk: Plains, Lagonna-Band Trailblazer, Lagonna-Band Trailblazer, Flickering Ward LL
3. GoblinSmashmaster: Swamp, Putrid Imp, Reanimate, Faultgrinder LL
4. dte: Hickory Woodlot, island, Squirrel Nest, Wistful thinking LL
5. Reeplcheep: Hickory Woodlot, Channel, Ulamog's Crusher, Strider Harness WW
6. alphastryk: Swamp, Inquisition of Kozilek, Plagued Rusalka, Hired Poisoner WW
7. H: Rushwood Grove, Vine Trellis, Elephant Ambush, Emperor Crocodile WW
9. maxx!: Forest, Glistener Elf, Invigorate, Scale Up LL
10. FTW: Wind-Scarred Crag, Ancient Tomb, Stone Rain, Porcelain Legionnaire LL
11. Tylert: Hickory Woodlot, Channel, Eldrazi Devastator, Honey Mammoth LL
12. silkster: Island, Ancient Tomb, Aven Eternal, Wistful Thinking LL
6w = 18 points
Token effort, token result.