[Deck] Aggro Loam

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Originally Posted by Madmankevinx

So the consensus is that we drop the 3 Dark Confidant from Jeff's original list to make room for zenith #2 and 2x Tarmogoyf?

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I agree that it depends on the meta. Goyfs are great when you expect a field full of non-UW fair decks and bob is spectacular otherwise. Me, I've just started testing x3 young pyromancer + volrath's stronghold in Hoogland's old bob list (replace bob w/ pyromancer) and it's ... very, very powerful once you get loam and/or pun fire going. Will probably keep going with this =).

The list:
1 Badlands
1 Bayou
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Forest
1 Karakas
1 Maze of Ith
1 Nantuko Monastery
1 Savannah
2 Forgotten Cave
2 Grove of the Burnwillows
2 Taiga
2 Tranquil Thicket
4 Wasteland
4 Wooded Foothills
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Mox Diamond
2 Sylvan Library
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Punishing Fire
1 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Devastating Dreams
3 Life from the Loam
4 Burning Wish
3 Young Pyromancer
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Bojuka Bog
SB: 1 Thoughtseize
SB: 1 Shattering Spree
SB: 1 Perish
SB: 1 Maelstrom Pulse
SB: 1 Dreadbore
SB: 1 Chainer's Edict
SB: 3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
SB: 1 Life from the Loam
SB: 1 Devastating Dreams
SB: 1 Gaddock Teeg
SB: 1 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 1 Reverent Silence
SB: 1 Slaughter Games

Reverent Silence stays in sb because of my UW-dominated local meta ... it + shattering spree are all-star wish targets ... also put morningtide in sb one friday tournament due to 2 reanimator + dredge decks being there and it was an all-star as well

Young ordinance pyromancer (and bob) are both so bad with devastating dreams lol

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

Young ordinance pyromancer (and bob) are both so bad with devastating dreams lol

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Have you gotten around to testing Pyromancer? It seems like it could be very good in this deck, although it does incentivize you to play fewer DDs. It turns every Loam into draw 3 + make a dude. It gums up the board like Goyf, can close fast, and produces value like Bob.

While I think it could be interesting, this decks spells (chalice versions at least) cost at least two mana. So at least not until turn 4 can this deck really make more than one dude per turn. And why gum up the board when we can wrathageddon it? I do see the synergy and think it seems fun, and I'm willing to test, but overall it just seems underwhelming in a deck that lacks cheap spells and free spells.

Edit: I do like that he doesn't rely on the graveyard like goyf. Good knows RIP rapes 4 color hard enough

Hi everyone, it's my first time posting on here but I have been following this thread for quite some time.

So I have been play testing a list very similar to Jeff's with a burning wish SB and 2 GSZ main and I absolutely love it. I was curious if anyone has tried using Qasali pridemage in the sideboard? I feel that it would make great use of the second GSZ giving us another way to deal with annoying artifacts and enchantments while not relying so much on burning wish. In play testing it's worked really well for me. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.

@Wozman: I have thought about Pridemage and Ooze as a couple of great flexible options to have as GSZ targets, but Between Abrupt Decay and Wish I havent really needed it too much.

I went 2-2 last night due to some bad beats

Round 1 4 Color Thresh

I feel like this shouldnt be an overly difficult MU, but G1 I mull to 4. Yay! Apparently 27 lands is not enough... Game 2 I have a great start, but I run my Loam into Daze and it gets eaten by DRS. He said he boarded all but 1 daze out because of how terrible they are vs me, but apparently sometimes you get there :/

Round 2 Jund Zombardment

Game 1 I Get an early Chalice for 1 and Stop his threats and then waste him out of the game. Game 2 He gets a T2 Lol troll, discard anger discard basking rootwalla attack and aggros me out. Troll is a somewhat difficult to deal with threat. Game 3 He opens with a Black Leyline. I play a chalice for 1, and Punishing Fire his Lol Troll when he taps out hoping he didnt have enough dudes to make it an X/3 and he didnt. Eventually I get KOTR and Crusher out and get there.

Round 3 Junk

Game 1 I have a double Mox Diamond hand into a T1 KOTR. He Wastes my Wasteland and KOTR just hits him for 5 for four turns. Game 2 I have another double Mox Diamond hand but Opt to play a chalice instead of Running a Countryside crusher out there. He gets a T2 Hymn me (my last 2 cards being Devastating Dreams and Crusher) and T3 KOTR and I dont find an answer. Game 3 I get loam engine going and just annihilate him with PFires and at one point he attacks with a Scooze as a 2/2 and my Nantuko Monastery eats it.

Round 4 the nightmare MU of Mono Red Sneak Attack. Not much to see here. I didnt find a Teeg and I got raped by Emrakul. Game 2 He got a blood moon, but with Burning Wish for Hullbreach it is pretty easy to deal with a Moon. But unfortunately Emrakul Eats my board again

@ mega -- Thanks for your response. What is the current list that you have been playing at your LGS with?

I play a modified 4 color loam list:


34 Spells

4 KOTR
4 Burning Wish
3 Life from the Loam
1 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Devastating Dreams
3 Punishing Fire
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Countryside Crusher
1 Daybreak Ranger
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Sylvan Library
4 Mox Diamond

27 Lands

4 Wooded Foothills
1 Plateau
1 Bayou
2 Taiga
1 Badlands
1 Savannah
2 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Maze of Ith
1 Nantuko Monastery
4 Wasteland
1 Bojuka Bog
3 Tranquil Thicket
2 Forgotten Cave
1 Forest
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Karakas

61 Cards

SB:
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Slaughtergames
1 Dreadbore
1 Hull Breach
1 Chainer's Edict
1 Duress
1 Perish
1 Devastating Dreams
1 Life From the Loam
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Massacre
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Maelstrom Pulse



As you can see it is very close to Hooglands list. I play Hull Breach over Shattering Spree because of the infinite Blood Moons/RIP in my local meta (but also alot of BSkulls) so it is easy to cast under a blood moon, and is a way to take out RIP, as well as taking out Skull or other random enchantments. I play the 4th Decay in the board for the same reasons. I play Countryside Crushers because I dont Own Goyfs (but I will borrow them for SCG ATL over crushers, only guy I know that would let me borrow them has foils and that makes me uncomfortable week to week), and Day Break Ranger has actually proven to be quite a house. Actually debating keeping him in for SCG ATL. I used to feel a bit safer playing a 3rd Grove of the Burnwillows, but I dropped one this past week and I didn't find myself missing it. Actually may cut the 4th Wasteland. Not sure what for, but if I think of something I would like to try out Waste may be cut. Duress over Thoughtseize is also another fact that I just dont own TS. Massacre has been AMAZING. Probably one of my most wished for cards at least locally. Card is just such an awesome blow out. Heres to hoping there are no RIP at SCG ATL. That is really the one card I despise playing against. Blood Moon I can deal with. RIP... God I hate it.

Has anyone tried Volrath's Stronghold? I find that occasionally I dredge too many threats away and get into long grindy matches with my Nantuko Monastery whilst wishing I could get a KotR back to just finish the game out.

Tyrio posted this a few pages back:

"I run a Volrath's in place of the basic forest in Hoogland's list. He said it was win-more in already good match-ups but I've found it to be pretty invaluable for closing out games. If you dredge two of your Knights away and another gets killed/countered/exiled, how are you supposed to close out the game? Punishing them to death doesn't seem particularly viable and dredging Loam for cycle lands can easily just dredge away your last Knight and GSZ. I think making the manabase slightly worse (it's already terrible yolo all-in!) for some insurance is fine. "

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

Tyrio posted this a few pages back:

"I run a Volrath's in place of the basic forest in Hoogland's list. He said it was win-more in already good match-ups but I've found it to be pretty invaluable for closing out games. If you dredge two of your Knights away and another gets killed/countered/exiled, how are you supposed to close out the game? Punishing them to death doesn't seem particularly viable and dredging Loam for cycle lands can easily just dredge away your last Knight and GSZ. I think making the manabase slightly worse (it's already terrible yolo all-in!) for some insurance is fine. "

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the old Extended Assault Loam decks with Burning Wish ran Nostalgic Dreams. It may or may not be good, but it's certainly something to consider once you've gassed up on lands (via loam) and convert them all into win cons that have been dredged away.

Doesnt seem like the worst thing in the world, but we already run Devastating Dreams which is already taxing on our hand. Now if only there were a regrowth with flashback... But honestly Ive never had a huge problem with bringing the Nantuko beats lately. I used to never use it, but I just wasnt being aggressive enough. 4 per turn (even if your opponent is at like 24 from Grove) isnt bad. You could always try out Something like Lavaclaw reaches or Raging Ravine.

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

Doesnt seem like the worst thing in the world, but we already run Devastating Dreams which is already taxing on our hand. Now if only there were a regrowth with flashback... But honestly Ive never had a huge problem with bringing the Nantuko beats lately. I used to never use it, but I just wasnt being aggressive enough. 4 per turn (even if your opponent is at like 24 from Grove) isnt bad. You could always try out Something like Lavaclaw reaches or Raging Ravine.

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The Ext build also maxed out on DDreams (3 main 1 boarded). It's not impossible to play both, and Nostalgic Dreams eats up so little space to let you basically dredge w/o any sort of worry that you'll run out of win cons.

Here's the current list I am testing.

Creatures: (8)
2 Dark Confidant
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Scavenging Ooze

Spells: (26)
3 Abrupt Decay
4 Burning Wish
4 Chalice of the Void
2 Devastating Dreams
1 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Life from the Loam
4 Mox Diamond
3 Punishing Fire
2 Sylvan Library




Lands: (26)
1 Badlands
1 Bayou
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Forest
2 Forgotten Cave
2 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Karakas
1 Maze of Ith
1 Nantuko Monastery
1 Savannah
2 Taiga
3 Tranquil Thicket
1 Volrath's Stronghold
3 Wasteland
4 Wooded Foothills

SB: (15)
1 Chainer's Edict
1 Devastating Dreams
1 Dreadbore
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Life from the Loam
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Reverent Scilence
1 Hull breach
1 Slaughter Games
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Thoughtseize


After play testing this deck for a little bit I noticed I am never grabbing perish from my SB. Is most of the cases where I felt I'd use perish (elves), I opted to grab DD instead. Anyone have any thoughts on this? I also decided to not use Goyf because of how common it is for me to run into RIP. Confident has been working great for me so far.

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Originally Posted by Wozmaz90

Here's the current list I am testing.

Creatures: (8)
2 Dark Confidant
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Scavenging Ooze

Spells: (26)
3 Abrupt Decay
4 Burning Wish
4 Chalice of the Void
2 Devastating Dreams
1 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Life from the Loam
4 Mox Diamond
3 Punishing Fire
2 Sylvan Library




Lands: (26)
1 Badlands
1 Bayou
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Forest
2 Forgotten Cave
2 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Karakas
1 Maze of Ith
1 Nantuko Monastery
1 Savannah
2 Taiga
3 Tranquil Thicket
1 Volrath's Stronghold
3 Wasteland
4 Wooded Foothills

SB: (15)
1 Chainer's Edict
1 Devastating Dreams
1 Dreadbore
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Life from the Loam
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Reverent Scilence
1 Hull breach
1 Slaughter Games
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Thoughtseize


After play testing this deck for a little bit I noticed I am never grabbing perish from my SB. Is most of the cases where I felt I'd use perish (elves), I opted to grab DD instead. Anyone have any thoughts on this? I also decided to not use Goyf because of how common it is for me to run into RIP. Confident has been working great for me so far.

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Interesting changes. Why no Plateau? I personally am not a huge fan, but it is a necessary evil unfortunately for me. I like the Scooze MB, though I feel like if I ran Scooze I would want to run a second GSZ. As for perish, I do not wish for it very often either, but it helps vs Maverick decks and Elves and even BUG it isnt the worst. Mainly maverick though because it is very difficult to kill an opposing KOTR protected by Mom. Also having a pridemage in the board makes me think you may want the second GSZ

I'd love to get into a loam deck. Since the printing of young pyromancer, I wanted to abuse his powers. Repeating Loam and Punishing fire seemed like the way to do it. However, I feel Loam is so weak to combo. Why do so few people pack a set of therapies? I'd has great synergy with most of the deck (dredge into flashback, just sac a token).

The other thing is that i'd like to abuse the tokens even more. Perhaps a singleton vault of the archangel or a singleton gavony township? You'd have to add white, but you'll wreck REAL quickly. Tips, comments, ideas?

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Originally Posted by Hencules

I'd love to get into a loam deck. Since the printing of young pyromancer, I wanted to abuse his powers. Repeating Loam and Punishing fire seemed like the way to do it. However, I feel Loam is so weak to combo. Why do so few people pack a set of therapies? I'd has great synergy with most of the deck (dredge into flashback, just sac a token).

The other thing is that i'd like to abuse the tokens even more. Perhaps a singleton vault of the archangel or a singleton gavony township? You'd have to add white, but you'll wreck REAL quickly. Tips, comments, ideas?

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Well the white splash version generally runs Chalice of the Void to help out vs Combo. Which also makes Therapy kind of bad. But it would allow for a gavony splash. My big thing with Pyromancer is that all of the spells we want to cast are 2 or more mana, and that he is such a nonbo with Devastating Dreams.

I agree. If Devastating Dreams weren't locked into the deck, I think Young Pyromancer would fit perfectly. Unfortunately...

Yeah like making 2 1/1's per turn at max (assuming pyromancer lives considering we have no way to protect him) just seems underwhelming.

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

Interesting changes. Why no Plateau? I personally am not a huge fan, but it is a necessary evil unfortunately for me. I like the Scooze MB, though I feel like if I ran Scooze I would want to run a second GSZ. As for perish, I do not wish for it very often either, but it helps vs Maverick decks and Elves and even BUG it isnt the worst. Mainly maverick though because it is very difficult to kill an opposing KOTR protected by Mom. Also having a pridemage in the board makes me think you may want the second GSZ

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Good point on perish being good for maverick. I guess my initial thought is to always go for massacare, but it's true... that leaves me vulnerable to KOTR still. As for the second GSZ. I just have been having difficulty finding room for it. Same with plateau. Got any suggestions on what land you'd remove for plateau? Maybe remove the bog? and SB it instead?