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Welcome, and congratulations on the finish. How have the Citadels been for you? I've been testing them in place of Wasteland recently (I run the post version), and I've found them quite useful. Have you missed the wastes at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by medleymr
Citadels are great on the first turn when you can't play a two drop right away. You know it won't get wasted before you can play a three drop. It also works really well with the Forgemaster ability.
I would run wasteland if I had it, but the price has gone up too much for my wallet. :frown: I substituted the Crystal Veins and have been pretty happy with them. Without wastes, I have to focus more on the combo finish and a little less on the lock down.
Medleymr, welcome. Top 10 is pretty good. How was your record in that tourney?
I find myself still struggling with the Reanimator match-up (running MUDpost-Stax). Those Tidespout Tyrants are annoying along with counter-magic against lock pieces, even with Tormod's Crypts in, Reanimator still has advantage against me. I had been wanting to keep Sphere of Resistances as much as possible, but it might be time to switch them out.
Anybody else finding the Reanimator match-up hard to win? Suggestions for solutions?
On the other hand, my tests against Sneak and Show showed good results for MUD. We may struggle hard against them game 1, but after siding in Duplicant, Spine of Ish Sah, Ensnaring Bridge, and more Phyrexian Revokers, it is easily winnable. Chalice for 2 stops their only hope to get rid of multiple Ensnaring Bridges (Echoing Truth).
Depending on your build I'm thinking if you can realistically go, T1 Chalice into T2 3Ball then you should be able to win.
I'm sure this isn't any special insight but I think landing early lock pieces followed Wurmcoil is what you need to beat Reanimator.
Thank you for the reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will_L
Yup, I just hope for a good draw. Though, I run Sphere of Resistance and not Trinisphere. I will be testing during the week if it will make a difference. Getting the Chalice for 1 countered hurts.
Also, I've been siding in the only 2 Tormod's Crypt that I had space for and 3 Ensnaring Bridge. I've upped the Crypt count to 3 for now, but will need to test later. I use the Bridges for Sneak and Show, and 2 against Elves, so I don't really know if I should drop them.
Faerie macabre is better then crypt against reanimate. It cannot be countered and he cant see it coming, so let him cast entomb, followed by reanimate THEN remove his griselbrand from his library LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkghost
Maybe i should try a single bridge, its tutorable. i do run 3 duplicant, wich is also good against any other deck in wich u need to quickly remove annoying things. Ive seen some strange UWG fauna shaman decks popping up here lately. :tongue:
My record was 6-2-1 (last round intentional draw dropped me from 15th to 24th)
I was able to beat a reanimator deck without the lock pieces or the crypts. I activated forgemaster when he tried to target it with a Tyrant. I tutored for Duplicant to exile the Tyrant. Then he exhumed Griselbrand, but I was able to bring back the Forgemaster. The next turn I drew lightning greaves and tutored Blightsteel. He was forced to block with Griselbrand. His next turn he exhumed Griselbrand again and used him to chump block. He didn't have anything left for the last turn.
I got a little lucky that match, but I feel like I have a slight advantage over Reanimator over all.
So what was your sideboard then?
This is what i have now:
4x faerie macabre (reanimate, dredge, lands)
3x tormods crypt (" ")
1x all is dust - next to 1 mainboard (heavy creature decks goblins, elves, GW)
3x duplicant (reanimate, sneak show, some creaturedecks with combo potential)
1x revoker - next to 3 mainboard
1x trinisphere - next to 3 mainboard (canadian, burn)
1x ratchet bomb - next to 3 mainboard
Quitte happy with this.. ratchet bomb may be taken out for something if anyone has a useful suggestion?
I like Trinisphere more than Sphere of Resistance main deck at least... Because you can get more free wins off Trinisphere I think. Sphere of Resistance is very good, but I think Trinisphere gives you more time to play Forgemaster, Razormane Masticore, Wurmcoil, Karn or whatever you plan to win with.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkghost
If you are on the play getting your Chalice Force of Will'd isn't so rough if you have a turn 2 lock piece, consider they only have 5 cards in hand now... If they do not have an explosive Lotus Petal start, if you drop Trinisphere on your second turn you should be firmly in the drivers seat.
I like Sphere of Resistance... but more as a SB option... The more I consider it the more I think Trinisphere is just more powerful. Both are strong against tempo and storm based combo, but I think the 3Ball is the better of the two. Not that I wouldn't play both in my 75...
I think that on the surface people think that Sphere of Resistance is something comparable to Trinisphere, but as it turns out (in my experience, at least) it's a lot more like Chalice. It is, as Chalice often is, a 2 drop, and while it doesn't completely shut down the cmc like Chalice does, it strips most cards of a lot of value. Suddenly a Brainstorm that would have been awesome becomes a slightly different and often worse Impulse. It makes any Snapcaster shenanigans cost 2 more, which often makes it unplayable. I also dislike the dissynergy between Trinisphere and other Sphere effects (lodestone and Thalia, specifically) especially the 2cmc slot due to the layers the two effects are applied. I think 3sphere is the better of the two also, but I think that SoResistance is really good alongside Lodestone in tandem with 12post, and Thorn of Amethyst is a solid choice with Thalia, and finally 3sphere is best in the most traditional of artifact control builds that center around sol lands.
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Not running waste isn't really a budget thing for me, I just don't like how it's performing so I'm testing new waters.Quote:
Originally Posted by medleymr
@Everyone: Thoughts on the list?
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
4 Cloudpost
4 Glimmerpost
4 Vesuva
4 Darksteel Citadel
4 Kuldotha Forgemaster
4 Lodestone Golem
4 Wurmcoil Engine
4 Metalworker
1 Sundering Titan
1 Platinum Emperion
1 Blightsteel Colossus
1 Steel Hellkite
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Grim Monolith
2 Lightning Greaves
2 Trinisphere
2 Batterskull
1 Staff of Domination
1 Spine of Ish Sah
SB:
3 All is Dust
3 Phyrexian Revoker
3 Tormod's Crypt
2 Spellskite
2 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Ratchet Bomb
Actually i like a t1 trinisphere more then a t1 chalice. Decks cant respond for 2 turns or counter. So this is like a timewalk, because you will have that mana.
Wasteland is essential, you cant play legacy without ways to remove threads. Some lands may be considered threats. Plus its an incredible strong card against 3 color decks. We have sol lands, so taking out a color making all those cards in his hands useless thats incredible. Thats why wasteland is a staple. No reason this doesnt count for mud imho.
I agree with turn 1 trini. It's one of the best turn one plays in the game of magic in any format ever. This and a single wasteland wins the tempo match up so often it's epic. I still disagree that it's essential, but I don't think that anyone will ever need to justify its inclusion in this archetype.
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Are you the guy refer below?Quote:
Originally Posted by medleymr
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Originally Posted by Aesir
I'm wrong to side in Ensnaring Bridges against Reanimator. The beating might hurt early on but it is quite manageable too after testing the MU more. We can come back. And 3sphere against Sphere of Resistance vs Tidespout, 3sphere is greatly better. Reanimator never reaches 6 land counts down, so he can only bounce 1 permanent per spell with Tidespout.
I'm always torn between 3sphere and SoResistance. They are both good in their own way.
@Alex Holland: I will try those Faerie Macabres out.
My current sideboard is:
3 Tormod's Crypt (will be switching out some with Faerie Macabre)
1 Ratchet Bomb
1 Powder Keg
2 All is Dust
3 Ensnaring Bridge
1 Masticore
1 Batterskull
1 Duplicant
2 Spine of Ish Sah
An interesting take on MUD where Lodestone Golems are replaced with Precursor Golem
http://www.mtgdecks.net/decks/view/74232
The card is interesting, though I don't know why one would consider cutting lodestone, which in my opinion is the best creature in the deck, for a 5cmc beater. I think th card is fine for replacing 5+ cmc cards but cutting lodestone seems like the wrong approach. Since I've been advocating cutting forgemaster it seems like a fine replacement for that. And if you still want forgemaster cutting karn, staff, or shaving sundering titans but cutting lodestone just seems wrong.
Not that I am suggesting it or anything, just saying that some people did do that and got good results. Personally for me, Lodestone is an auto include, and mostly a 4 of.
anyone messing around with energy chamber or coretapper? Seems really strong with everflowing chalice for mana and interacts with jitte,2 bombs, aethervials ect....Also what about skyship weatherlight for a draw mechanic/deck thin. would like some thoughts on these.
oh almost forgot what about umbilicus paired in a stax deck makes almost a early win cond with tanglewire.
No, as both lists are quite different. (One has wastes, one doesn't) The commentator's mentioned another MUD deck doing well, so I assume that MUD player is medlymr.Quote:
Originally Posted by (nameless one)