[Deck] ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils)

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Originally Posted by IamPhil

I've been testing Carpet of Flowers a bit here and there. One of our local players played Thresh last night in testing and would crack fetches to keep only enough lands as he absolutely needed. A single Mongoose will still win the game, and the deck packs enough countermagic to keep you off your key spells.

Knowing what I was playing in game one, he mulliganed to six and kept the following hand:
Brainstorm
Brainstorm
Daze
Daze
Force of Will
Force of Will

I had a nuts draw, but not enough Pacts to protect it. He proceeded to rip four lands in a row, then a goose, and win before I could combo off a second time.

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Why would you run Pact of Negation in a list with Carpet of Flowers?

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Originally Posted by emidln

Why would you run Pact of Negation in a list with Carpet of Flowers?

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Why not? Carpet of Flowers functions as another Ritual. Against Blue I still need an answer for FoW, Daze, and Stifle. Pact serves this purpose.

I'm putting together this deck for my testing gauntlet and would like to know what the most 'cookie-cutter' list would be for my team to test against. Should I build the LED version, as it seems better, or are more people playing LED less? Also any advice on actually piloting the deck would be greatly appreciated as I generally make a lot of play mistakes when playing combo decks with so much tutoring and decision making. That being the main reason that I suck in vintage. Thanks for your help.

After testing the doomsday, ADN, IGG list i want some help with sideboarding. This is the mine:

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [WL] Doomsday
SB: 1 [DIS] Infernal Tutor
SB: 1 [US] Ill-Gotten Gains
SB: 1 [SC] Tendrils of Agony
SB: 2 [DS] Echoing Truth
SB: 1 [A] Tropical Island
SB: 2 [TSP] Krosan Grip
SB: 3 [SC] Xantid Swarm (is it comprobed it's efectiveness over confidant?)
SB: 1 [PLC] Extirpate
SB: 1 [M10] Deathmark
SB: 1 [TSP] Angel's Grace

Thx you all!!

carpet of flowers is for bitches!!!! this card blows ass, its ok sometimes butm , jesus, i am so fucking drunk, o lny idiots hwpw cant play DD right play this shit, it sucks and Swarm is infinitely better!

Real men play drunk but don't post drunk.


Erm, ok, on a more serious note, I've been looking for a singleton MD solution to random things G 1 (someone playing GW haterator-whatever with MD Canonists/Teegs, Solitary Confinement, you name it).
As I play my Tropical Island in my SB, would you rather play it MD and pack a 1 of Grip, or would you recommend a 1 of Wipe Away?

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Originally Posted by Nidd

Real men play drunk but don't post drunk.


Erm, ok, on a more serious note, I've been looking for a singleton MD solution to random things G 1 (someone playing GW haterator-whatever with MD Canonists/Teegs, Solitary Confinement, you name it).
As I play my Tropical Island in my SB, would you rather play it MD and pack a 1 of Grip, or would you recommend a 1 of Wipe Away?

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Wipe Away. If you have to deal with Teeg/Canonist, Wipe Away seems to be necessary. But in my opinion, it depends on whether you play Duress or not. If you don't, Wipe Away seems to be pretty inefficient as it just procrastinates the problem for 1 turn, it's more like "Bounce and go off" which is not always possible, especially when you have to play against Counterbalance which always shuts of something necessary, especially utility.

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Originally Posted by IamPhil

I've been testing Carpet of Flowers a bit here and there. One of our local players played Thresh last night in testing and would crack fetches to keep only enough lands as he absolutely needed. A single Mongoose will still win the game, and the deck packs enough countermagic to keep you off your key spells.

Knowing what I was playing in game one, he mulliganed to six and kept the following hand:
Brainstorm
Brainstorm
Daze
Daze
Force of Will
Force of Will

I had a nuts draw, but not enough Pacts to protect it. He proceeded to rip four lands in a row, then a goose, and win before I could combo off a second time.

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I don't know what your hand is, but that hand makes you lose if he lets your pact resolve and then counters your original spell with his second FoW. That's the bad part about running Pacts; you autolose if they have more countermagic than you do.

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Originally Posted by Adan

Wipe Away. If you have to deal with Teeg/Canonist, Wipe Away seems to be necessary. But in my opinion, it depends on whether you play Duress or not. If you don't, Wipe Away seems to be pretty inefficient as it just procrastinates the problem for 1 turn, it's more like "Bounce and go off" which is not always possible, especially when you have to play against Counterbalance which always shuts of something necessary, especially utility.

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Rushing River is probably better, as Split Second looks irrelevant and the ability to bounce 2 hate pieces looks vital.

I'm talking G 1, some piece of anti hate for random shizzle I encounter.

Rushing River looks fine, but it's not as final as I would like my solution to be. I mean, sure, Wipe Away isn't a solution, but at least it doesn't get hit by FoW.

To me, it boils down to Wipe Away VS Krosan Grip. I would like to play 1 of them MB, with the other one as a 1-of in my SB and a total of 2 Grips spread over MB and SB (read: I would like to play a total of 2 Grips and 1 Wipe in my 75 but only 1 of them MB).

Or am I horribly overrating Split Second?

That's the same dilemma I encountered for my last protection slot. It was either Krosan Grip or Wipe Away.

I chose to run Wipe Away instead, with the Grips in the SB. Counterbalance, and to a lesser extent Chalice, are your main culprits that you'd use it on for Game 1, both of which are handled permanently by Grip. However, with all the randomness I'm facing, Wipe Away at least gives me an out.

At least when an opponent drops a Turn 2 True Believer on me, I won't scoop.

I am trying to help my GF build a competetive deck and she chose combo. I am trying to build this as cheaply as possible. Orim's Chant = Silence, Marsh Flats = Other Fetches. How do you like this build?

Spells
4 Brainstorm
4 Dark Ritual
4 Duress
4 Mystical Tutor
4 Silence
3 Cabal Ritual
3 Infernal Tutor
3 Ponder
2 Ad Nauseam
1 Echoing Truth
1 Ill-Gotten Gains
1 Tendrils of Agony

Artifact
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
2 Chrome Mox
2 Sensei's Divining Top

Lands
3 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
2 Island
2 Marsh Flats
2 Underground Sea
1 Scrubland
1 Swamp
1 Tundra

Sideboard
4 Dark Confidant
4 Dispel
2 Angel's Grace
1 Echoing Truth
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Ill-Gotten Gains
1 Slaughter Pact
1 Tendrils of Agony

Only thing that I dont understand is why all of the one-ofs in the board. When do you bring them in?

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Originally Posted by Nidd

Real men play drunk but don't post drunk.


Erm, ok, on a more serious note, I've been looking for a singleton MD solution to random things G 1 (someone playing GW haterator-whatever with MD Canonists/Teegs, Solitary Confinement, you name it).
As I play my Tropical Island in my SB, would you rather play it MD and pack a 1 of Grip, or would you recommend a 1 of Wipe Away?

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My spelling was damn good son for that particular level of fucked up that I attained after 3-4 pitchers at a bar with some buddies and some screwdrivers afterwards. And I totally disagree, first and foremost there is no real definition for what a "real man" will do, its just sociological bullshit. However, I still totally disagree with your post, drunk men lose tournaments, I don't :) The only person who wins at drunk Magic is one who has not paid money to get into a tournament but rather is sitting around with equally intoxicated individuals and rocks the EDH, case in point, thor and Loxodon Baileyarch!

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Originally Posted by Pulp_Fiction

My spelling was damn good son for that particular level of fucked up that I attained after 3-4 pitchers at a bar with some buddies and some screwdrivers afterwards. And I totally disagree, first and foremost there is no real definition for what a "real man" will do, its just sociological bullshit. However, I still totally disagree with your post, drunk men lose tournaments, I don't :) The only person who wins at drunk Magic is one who has not paid money to get into a tournament but rather is sitting around with equally intoxicated individuals and rocks the EDH, case in point, thor and Loxodon Baileyarch!

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Amen. I've played EDH drunk one time, piloting Mormir Vig, and i got monkey stomped. It got to the point where i couldn't tap my mana right. /wrist

Just another Saturday night.

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Originally Posted by Pulp_Fiction

My spelling was damn good son for that particular level of fucked up that I attained after 3-4 pitchers at a bar with some buddies and some screwdrivers afterwards. And I totally disagree, first and foremost there is no real definition for what a "real man" will do, its just sociological bullshit. However, I still totally disagree with your post, drunk men lose tournaments, I don't :) The only person who wins at drunk Magic is one who has not paid money to get into a tournament but rather is sitting around with equally intoxicated individuals and rocks the EDH, case in point, thor and Loxodon Baileyarch!

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Don't be serious when I'm trying to be funny :(


So the general consens is thzat Wipe Away > K. Grip when it comes to a 1-of MD solution?

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Originally Posted by kicks_422

That's the same dilemma I encountered for my last protection slot. It was either Krosan Grip or Wipe Away.

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but what is your portection slot?? I mean instead of what you're formely playing?

I have 4 Duress and 4 Orim's Chant. I wanted a 9th protection spell to Mystical for, and it was either Wipe Away or Krosan Grip.

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Originally Posted by kicks_422

I have 4 Duress and 4 Orim's Chant. I wanted a 9th protection spell to Mystical for, and it was either Wipe Away or Krosan Grip.

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Yeah but instead of what?? I've 4 duress and 4 Chants too.

Not everybody plays the same exact list, you know. I don't play it instead of anything because ever since I've been playing the deck, I've always had that one slot for bounce/Grip.

Mind sharing your list with us? I'm interested, too. I would like to see how many Lands you play, how mandy Ponders, how many Moxen and Cabal Rituals etc. All these "half-flexible" slots.