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Forgot about that, "white creatures" clause.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carabas
@everyone else: I'm going to be competing in the Legacy side event of ProTour Atlanta this weekend, and I literally have no idea what the meta is going to look like. Idk if i wanna run PoP maindeck, or move Jitte back in, even though that seems like a good idea.
Suggestions? Without being an asshole that is.
Zoo is really good right now, honestly. You'll roll Goblins and Merfolk. I don't think you need Jitte. The Counter/Balance numbers are down. Dredge has been hated out (and isn't even in DTB anymore). You need to worry about ANT and Landstill, IMO. Need something big for the Mirror too. Not positive about the Thresh match-up anymore honestly. I do think Zoo is the deck to take right now though. That or Landstill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loxodon Baileyarch
Price of Progress I am not a big fan of, personally.
I've always knew this deck was good, even before Nacatl and Pridemage. I ran it when it was in the New and Developmental forums ya know?Quote:
Originally Posted by P.S.
I'm just scared of RWM to be honest, that and Vedalken Shackles. I've lost the majority of games I've lost because of Shackles. I've never had to play against RWM before, but it looks miserable to get rid of, or a 2for1. The Thresh matchup isn't that hard because your Kird Ape or Nacatl trump their Mongoose until they at least get within 10 life.
Swords are just amazing in the mirror. I'm not really liking Sylvan Library though, so I'll prolly cut it and run a more traditional Bailey list with a tweaked SB.
You play Swords over Path or a mix?
4 Path main 2-3 in the SB. I don't worry about giving Merfolk or Goblins a land drop when i could just be removing Goyf or Stalker without the life stipulation.Quote:
Originally Posted by P.S.
Aggro Loam would be another good reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by jandax
But I don't think it's worth the SB space. I would be more worried about the ANT match-up. It's winnable if you burn them quickly and run Teeg side. It's even better if u also combine that with POP. Those like me who don't run POP main need 7-8 SB cards for this match-up. So there's probably no SB space for Mantra. We can play around Firespout anyway. I'm not too bothered about Firespout.
I played the open Dutch Legacy Championship last sunday and became 13th out of 138. I was very happy about that. Anyway, I played 3 PTE and 1 STP main and 1 PTE and 1 STP side and switched according to the matchup.
I actually loved Sylvan Library and don't want to do without. I also ran 1 Jitte main which I also loved. I came in very handy at the right times. I also did not run Thoctar but Figure of Destiny and wouldn't change that either. It happenend often enough that I didn't have 3 lands for Thoctar. At least with figure you can play it with 1 mana available and if there's more its also good times. I wouldn't play more than 2 though.
Yeah. Random Weiner Munching is out of control lately...what the hell is RWM, Bailey?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loxodon Baileyarch
Red Wings Mania
Ripe Women Masticating
Really Woeful Matchup?
Ripped White Men???
Running While Masturbating?...lol
Rogue Wailing Mandragoras?
[edit]Rhox War Monk[/edit]
how about Rhox War MonkQuote:
Originally Posted by umbowta
Thanx, kabal. I'll add it to the list.Quote:
Originally Posted by kabal
I like putting pop in the sb, lox. It's still very good in enough matchups that I want it somewhere in my 75, though not running it main does eat into your sb space. You gotta foure out where you want it, but I don't like leaving home without it.
More thoughts to come.
Wouldn't Burrenton Forge-Tender be better than any of the other options? I guess they can remove it first, but at least it's aggressive.
Not that it's needed. I imagine playing smart is the best way to combat Firespout. Don't over-extend, etc.
+1 with the Forge Tender suggestion. Nassif ran that in his board at Chicago. Not for the same purpose but it's strong enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by whienot
Unfortunately I'll have to put some Sideboard cards in for combo this weekend even though i hate to do it. I was thinking like
2x Swords to Plowshare
3x Price of Progress
2x Gaddock Teeg
2x Ethersworn Cannonist
3x Relic of Progenitus
3x Krosan Grip
The sideboard combo hate might change. I don't know what's the best. I could try that new Trap and fetch a Savannah to fake the combo player out so they don't think I'll burn them. Not lay lands and sit on a 1/1 Nacatl or something and then Trap the hell out of them.
Wait, so your plan is to be non-aggressive so they fall into mindbreak trap without silencing first?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loxodon Baileyarch
I'm pretty sure they side out their silences for g2 against us, but they'd probably bring them back in for g3. I like Canonist for Storm hate, but I wouldn't just play 4 hate slots if you're gonna hate at all. I think it takes at least 6 to be worth it. 3x teeg 3x canonist is a good package I find.
I was just suggesting things.Quote:
Originally Posted by hungryLIKEALION
My friend went to the big PTQ in Tampa and saw no combo, so maybe it's not worth it anyway. I've tried to play an entire hate sideboard, and combo is just too good nowadays. Turn 2 answers are too slow, and even the traps can be Duress.
yeah that's fair.
Anyway, I'm finally ready to write a short tournament report for my tournament on Sunday...
I played Zoo in a 35 man tournament with the following list;
4 Nacatl
4 Goyf
4 Pridemage
2 Ape
3 Figure
3 Lavamancer
2 KoTR
4 Bolt
4 Helix
2 Chain
4 Path
2 Library
1 Jitte
2 Mire
3 Foothills
4 Heath
3 Plateau
2 Taiga
2 Savannah
2 Horizon Canopy
3 Basics
SB:
3 PoP
3 Grip
1 Jitte
2 STP
2 Ravenous Trap
1 Relic of Progenitus
3 Gaddock Teeg
Round one I played a scrub with a UG deck and smashed his face in in about 5 turns both games.
1-0
Round two I played against Hypergenesis. He wins game 1 with a t3 violent outburst after I declare attacks and drops like 4 guys. I draw game 2 with a topdecked PoP for lethal after racing his Inkwell Leviathan for two turns. Games 3 and 4 I have super fast hands and burn him out after he hypers.
2-0
Round three I played against Storm. Game one he mulls to six and keeps a hand with land and accel and a silence and he doesn't draw any digging spells so I kill him on turn 4. Game two he mulls to five and I play t2 Teeg. Bad beats I guess.
3-0
Round 4 I draw with a guy playing Affinity. We play for fun and I beat him twice in a row, though game 1 I was on 1 life for a perilously long time.
3-0-1
Top eight cut, I play against the guy with Hypergenesis again. I steal game 1 with post-hyper burn, but games two and three he has very fast hypers with multiple of that 5/8 shroud angel that takes damage for you both times and I am forced to scoop it up.
3-1-1
Got one booster pack of Zendikar for my trouble, in which I opened a Lotus Cobra, so at least I got something out of it.
I was struck by how much combo I played against being pretty odd, but I guess it means I'm gonna have to adapt my list again. I may stop carrying a three drop all together and look for ways to speed up my clock more consistently. I'm not really sure what direction I want to go right now, but I'll post any breakthroughs here.
@hungryLIKEALION: Your meta doesn't seem very competitive at all. No offense. Maybe it was just a bad day, but every tourney report you write always has like scrub decks. Haha.
In other news, I just uninstalled MagicWorkstation because I'm tired of the shuffling device. I played against Phoenix Ignition and drew into like 6 land, Chain Lightning hands, or the ever so awesome mull to 5 with 1 land while playing 21 lands. Fuck MWS. Seriously.
I'm really liking this list that turned up from the Philly 5k~
http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=29955
It has the third 3 drop against Firespout and the mirror, as well as the Vines for the same two matchups. It sacrifices a bit of burn reach (fireblast and pop) for those previous pluses, but vines seems like such a blowout in response to any kind of removal, like an additional 4 damage plus whatever damage you get in on subsequent attacks that would normally be negated by the obligatory swords-ing.
@Baileyarch- i'm not sure what the local(ish) meta is around there, but if I were going into a blind meta right now I'd guess at a couple good pilots pick supreme blue but the deck not being a really popular pickup, dredge has gotten pretty popular as a random pickup deck and has been posting more results lately, I'm not sure if ANT has gotten more or less popular but I think Belcher has picked up a bit since Cedric played it. Bunch of zoo and merfolk for sure. I think more confident players will not shy away from countertop also, definitely don't count it out.
As for sideboarding against combo, I agree with HungryLIKEALION, and I always kinda felt that if they're doing what they need to do to win/tutor up a bounce spell for the win next turn, the one canonist/teeg that i'll likely land with aggressive sideboarding will still not matter to much, so i eventually settled on a package of 3x gaddock teeg and 2x pyroblast as a baseline. with both of those they're good against other random stuff (pyroblast is a swords for RWM/coins the rhino/loxodon pizza flipper/pancake rhino!, teeg good against landstill and trinistax) and can still buy you the turn or two that it can take to finish them up.
For Reverent Mantra, I think It'd only be ok when you hit with it, like you would get in an additional swing with 2 dudes usually, and you're swapping the Mantra and a white card for usually 2 sometimes 3 of your smaller guys, but the white cards in the deck are all really valuable, and it'd still be a 2 for 1 for on cards them, and you would have to have the mantra and a white card specifically when they cast their one firespout.
The thing is that the tournaments are free, so in the first round there are sometimes a few bad decks floating around. But as you can see, past the first round I played against all established decks. This particular tournament was 35 people, and I'd say about 8 of those were scrubs, but the rest were all good players with good decks. Don't try to discredit my meta because I sometimes face a scrub round one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loxodon Baileyarch
If you pay attention to my reports you'll note that the scrubs are never winning the tournaments.
The 29th though I'm playing in a mox tournament, and if the store's last power tournament was any indication, that'll be very competitive.
Like i said, i meant no offense. You just usually get good pairings and stuff ya know, and always at least one scrub deck. Nothing against your skill.Quote:
Originally Posted by hungryLIKEALION
You're right, Storm and Cascade Hypergenesis are both great matchups for us, auto wins practically ???
And facing a scrub round one does not make the tournament non-competitive. That happens to people all the way up through grand prixs; I've read plenty of GP reports that start with a scrub opponent in round one. And to say I always get at least one scrub is a lie, because I don't. But even if I did, it wouldn't be relevant, as naturally the longer the tournament goes the more competitive the rounds become.