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I'd say that you should at least have some stalkers in your list.
Nihilith is pretty good. He's mostly good at going through disruption at convenient times do to the fact that you "may" remove suspend counters from him. He's resistant to all gy hate except wheel of sun and moon.
I could see cutting a spirit and a bitterblossom, or maybe the 2x rat bomb, for a couple tombstalkers. I used to run pox with stalkers but that was a bit more controlling build without jitte. I haven't gotten around to trying stalker in the jitte version. Curious to hear results.
I actually like Nihilith more than Tombstalker, as most of the time it's just as fast, if not faster. It changes up the tempo against more responsive decks because they usually don't plan to deal with 2 big threats entering the board in one turn. Only problem is when you end up topdecking it, which is pretty bad. But if you have it early, then it is VERY good. I'm currently running 4 Nihilith and 2 Tombstalker, though I think 3 of each also works. What I don't particularly like about Tombstalker is that it requires you to be more or less set up and at an advantage to really work well, and that any copies beyond the first are usually useless.
This was brought up quite a while ago, but what are people's thoughts on Vampire Nighthawk?
I used to think Nihilith was too weak, but that was when Zoo was popular. With the metagame slowing down, Nihilith may be the best finisher for Pox. Although, Jace owns Nihilith pretty hard, but it kinda does to the same to Tombstalker.
Yeah, Jace is annoying. But as long as you keep on attacking him with landbeaters, you'll be fine. He's definitely a threat though. I guess part of the reason that I've never considered Nihilith better than tombstalker is that you pay the 2 mana up front. Tombstalker just comes down and starts swinging. Nihilith tends to get in the way of things like Smallpox or Pox, and doesn't benefit from them being cast unless he came down before them.
I'm testing an entomb/loam build. Has Entomb been tested?
It can fetch LotL, so you can start dredge/loaming from turn 2. Plus fetching Nether Spirit is pretty nifty. And finally, it can fetch Raven's Crime, which is obviously nutty with LotL.
BAYOU-POX
4x Wasteland
4x Mishra's factory
4x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4x Verdant Catacombs
4x Bayou
4x Barren Moor
3x swamp
4x Entomb
4x Raven's Crime
4x Life from the Loam
4x Sinkhole
4x Smallpox
4x Pox
4x Pernicious Deed
1x Nether Spirit
4x Tombstalker
It's been running great, of course suspectible to wasteland, but it's running loam so np there, alhough early-game loaming is essential.
This build gives up pinpoint removal and discard, which are traded for the best sweeper (Deed) and no topdeck mode (Loam).
Full set of Tombstalkers, as they come cheap with all the dredging, and they rock with Deed.
MvP = Raven's Crime, Mental Mistep that!
Raven's Crime is amazing. It solves the dyssynergy between land destruction and discard. I upped it to four, so I'll have maximum dredge potential.It turns Barren Moors into Necrogen Spellbombs, the entire game..
Entomb has been very good to me too. In the grave is a much better start for a loam. But most especially fetching a Nether Spirit on turn one buys a lot of loaming time.
Bit of a Whacko-sideboard. I guess I just get a hard-on from extirpating duals...
4x Surgical Extraction
4x Extirpate
4x Inquisition of Kozilek
3x Hymn to Tourach
With Green/Black, it just seems like a shame not to play Goyf or Maelstrom Pulse or that new legendary troll guy.... Tombstalker + NetherSpirit seems dangerous. I do like Entomb with NetherSpirit though, one of my favourite combos since I don't play any other creature, having multple NEtherspirits without actually having nether spirits seem a lot better.... if you get what I mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDB
as anyone tried Sorin Markov?
Any suggestions on this deck. Thanks in advance
[DECK]
Lands (21)
12x swamps
1x mountain
4x bloodstained mire
4x badlands
artifacts (6)
2x chimeric idol
4x the rack
sorcery (22)
4x pox
4x smallpox
4x innocent blood
4x hymn to tourach
4x duress
2x raven's crime
instants (4)
4x lightning bolt
creature (7)
4x hellspark elemental
2x tombstalker
1x nether spirit
sideboard
4x extirpate
1x tormod's crypt
3x pithing needle
3x infest
2x engineered plague
2x chains of mephistopheles
[/DECK]
Splashing red just for Bolt and Hellspark Elemental? Is it really worth it?
Its been doing quite well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenpoe
Thats a very good board against control. I would do that as well. But i would play infest as a 3 of against those pesky tokens.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDB
If you're going to run Life from the Loam and Entomb in pox, there really is no excuse to not include a singleton Worm Harvest. Possibly the best late game kill condition for any B/G pox build
Hmm, I don't recall ever getting up to 6 mana before using Pox, and I'm running a Wasteland-less build. Have you tested it? As far as I see, it's really only helpful for cheap spot removal. I might even use Liliana Vess over Sorin.Quote:
Originally Posted by jin
What do you guys think of this Poxless Pox list...
4 Contamination
4 Bitterblossom
4 Reassembling Skeleton
4 Nether Spirit
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Necrogen Mists
4 Bottomless Pit
1 Raven's Crime
3 Dark Ritual/The Rack
4 Ensnaring Bridge
4 Noetic Scales
20 Swamp
Contamination seems ridiculously strong with Reassembling Skeleton and the usual suspects (Nether Spirit and Bitterblossom). Cabal Therapy could be very good as well.
The deck should be called Upkeep since it plays a dozen different upkeep triggers, and you can trigger them all in whichever order you want.
For example, at start of upkeep, bounce Nether Sprit to your hand for Noetic Scales, discard it to Necrogen Mists, return it to play using Nether Spriit's trigger, sac it to Contamination. That works right?
No turn 1 discard/removal. But i really like the idea. Maybe reduce the Nether Spirits, or the skeletons. Also, do you like Rotting Rats? You could cut maybe like, 2 discard enchantments, and get 2 of those, just to up the creature count (of course, nether spirit doesnt go well with it). I also think that The Rack should be a 4 of.
Nevermind my last post, this probably the better strategy.
//You Can't Stall,
4 Dark Ritual
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Necrogen Mists
3 Pox
2 Raven's Crime
//You Can't Win,
4 The Abyss
4 Ensnaring Bridge
3 Noetic Scales
//But I Can
4 Liliana's Caress
4 The Rack
2 Cursed Scroll
4 Ancient Tomb
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
16 Swamp
Something similar was discussed and used effectively by a few people here before, but this was back when Survival Vengivine was getting popular. The influx on enchantment/artifact destruction into the format, combined with the dyssnergy against Vengevine decks killed the discussion back then. But now, the majority of the enchantment/artifact destrucion people play is all creature based (Pridemage, Trygon Predator etc).
The Pox could obviously also be Bog Down, or Bottomless Pit, or Wrench Mind or Unburden. And the Cursed Scroll could be Scalding Tongs.
As for the previous list, not a fan of Rotting Rats since they are only one use, and not a permanent lock with Ensnaring Bridge/Noetic Scales.
Yeah, Nether Spirit sucks in multiples, and the Rack is awesome.
Playing around with it, I note that you have to be careful with Noetic Scales to ensure you always have one spare card in hand, because bouncing Bitterblossom tokens back to you is very bad. Bitterblossom itself is probably one of the weaker parts of the combo, since it costs you life in what is a slow deck. Wish there was a good replacement. I'm wondering how Bridge from Below would fare. Yes, you still bounce back tokens if you don't sac them to Contamination. But atleast they don't cost you life.
How about this....
4 Contamination
4 Bitterblossom
4 Reassembling Skeleton
3 Nether Spirit
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Necrogen Mists
3 Bottomless Pit
2 Raven's Crime
4 The Rack
4 Ensnaring Bridge
4 Noetic Scales
3 Ancient Tomb
18 Swamp
Do you think it's possible to get Bridge from Below working in this deck? It synergizes with many different aspects of it. But only seven creatures to combo with it seems low.
It does sadden me that I have no room for Dark Ritual despite everything in the deck being 3cc. I'm trying the 3 Ancient Tomb to remedy the lack of acceleration a bit.
Bridge will not work in this deck. once the nether spirit or Skeleton hits the graveyard from play, whether you intend to revive it or not, the bridge will be removed from game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clark Kant
I'm pretty sure you misread bridge.
When a creature goes into an opponent's graveyard, bridge gets removed. When one goes into your yard, you get a 2/2.
Hey everybody, was wondering if I could get some feedback on a BW Pox deck I slapped together to play legacy with my friends. I don't have access to the dumb expensive cards like sink hole so budget suggestions are appreciated :p
//Creatures
2x Nether Spirit
//Spells
4x Duress
2x Gerrard's Verdict
4x Hymn to Tourach
3x Innocent Blood
4x Pox
4x Smallpox
4x Vindicate
//Artifacts
3x Chimeric Idol
3x Phyrexian Totem
3x Powder Keg
//Land
4x Caves of Koilos
5x Plains
13x Swamp
2x Wasteland