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I even covered it in some Report afaik, but that Line of Play requires a total of 9 mana and enough life to cast Ad Nauseam. Lets consider your starting Hand contains 7 Cards, one is a wish, so you Need to generate 9 mana and hellbent off 6 Cards. That's pretty impossible to "kill quick" under those conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaycounet
Think about the matchups where you board out Infernal
hi ! quick question how do you deal with maverick (even there not many maverick anymore) if mother is available and thalia or gaddock is on the board ?
Keep/mull into faster hands and/or Silence-Walk/Therapy to prevent the hatebear. In postboard-games you have additional options for 2-for-1 solutions containing Grapeshot, Abrupt Decay and Chain of Vapor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaycounet
I'm leaving for the invitational after work today. Playing the list I posted on the last page, I put it in the opening post for reference.
Looking forward to watch the feature matches!
Good luck, palQuote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Cook
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
GL !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Cook
I'll try the same list this evening for a small event ^^
This evening is also my last live-Action-test before the BoM Trials: Triple Dk, Triple XS, TP, Quad-CT, 2/2 FS/PD-Fetch-split, Codename "KiBa"Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaycounet
still thinking about TP everyday ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Played basically this list -1 xantid +1 shattering spree at my local weekly last night. People at my store love to play chalice of the void and no one is really on reanimator or show and tell so I throw in shattering spree for these. Played against death and taxes, TES mirror, tezzeret and shardless bant. Thoughtseize was definitely better than duress in my meta especially against decks like bant with a mix of creature and spell disruption. The life loss wasn't really an issue except in two cases. The first one I was too low for a realistic win anyway against lethal on board with a chalice on zero in play. The other time was a very in depth past in flames turn against shardless bant that had me down to 1 life and the line could have been to grapeshot his team and strip the batterskull from his hand but my brainstorm hit the LED and I had exactly enough to tendrils him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Cook
I especially like the thoughtseizes now that most of the blue decks are packing meddling mages and canonists in the board. Getting foil lorwyn thoughtseizes is going to be a pain though.
I'm considering 2 TS 1 Therapy Main, 2 Therapy SB for Invitational. Addition of MM has certainly caused problems, but I'm hesitant. Hopefully can find the 3rd xantid before round 1.
Small report from out LGS in Berlin. I piloted my mentioned list and convinced my teammate to do the same. All mental notes
Round 1 - Florian with UWR Delver
Game 1:
I lost the Dice and keep a Medium hand. I Fake UWR Delver myself while he Ponders and finally reveals my hand with Probe. I infernal for a second RoF as he Drops Delver. I'm not patient enough here and start battling through FoW, Daze, 2 Stifle, Wasteland and shit. In the end, I'm one mana short of killing him, looking for help off a Brainstorm aka LED or any Ritual but brick. I'm annoyed the whole game because he whines about me slow-playing all the time. Carsten Kotter gently explains him why TES need a bit more time to be played than "Delver, go!"
Game 2:
I drop enought Goblins turn 1 that make it before he can topdeck an out
Game 3:
Time is called immediately and we're asked to draw. I refuse and say I can make it! My opponent laughs exactly 2 turns, before I disable his defense and have enough mana to Grapeshot his face off!
1-0
Round 2 - Carsten Kotter with ANT
Game 1:
This match is as equally annoying as exciting for us and I lost the dice again. He's an awesome guy and gives me Lotus Petal, 2 Dark Rituals and Ad Nauseam among crap for my starting 7. We joke about the importance of the 3rd Mox ... I have enough mana for PIF and Grapeshot showboat. He's mocking me a bit about IF I can kill him but stifles my joy, picking up his cards.
Game 2:
I'm in a gambling mood and keep a Medium hand because of knowing his Secret SB tech. I get dismembered by Duress and Therapy with him still able to finish me in turn 4 with an overload of Rituals, LED and Infernal. Pretty nice flow
Game 3:
I'm a smartass and float infernal + LED ontop while he Fires off a flurry of discard. A drawstep and a Ponder which was left is enough to assemble Ad Nauseam. Awesome guy, 'nuff said
2-0
Round 3 - Moe with Grixis Delver
Game 1:
I sculpt a 8-carder facing lethal and start fighting though Dazes, FoW and Stifle dismembering his whole grip of 7. he has 1 card left as I put ToA on the Stack ... Stifle #2 x(
Game 2:
I make 10 Goblins turn 2 and he's able to wipe them in time. I follow up with Ad Nauseam and Grapeshot his remaining life
Game 3:
I drop turn 1 Xantid and 12 Goblins. He wipes them once more with electrocute after pondering and eating a swing. I Wish for Grapeshot to finish him the following turn but Young Pyromancer + Cabal Therapy strips me off that option. Another Wish for ToA but I can't get enough mana and storm going before he's able to fight the Rituals and Pyromancer + friends kill me while I eat Wastelands
2-1
Round 4 - A polite guy (whichs name I sadly can't Remember) with Death & Taxes
Game 1:
Sat side to side in round 1 so there's no secret. I win my first diceroll today, Ponder off a Gemstone, see LED, keep. He Drops turn 1 Mother but never get a second turn ... Only ToA ...
Game 2:
He does land, go. I do, land, durdle, Grapeshot!
3-1
End of show!
Propper:
- Grapeshot
- able to pilot the deck after an exhausting day at work
- meeting Titus again. Order his e-Book goddamnit! ;)
- won the storm-mirror
- peeple still boarding Rest in Peace against me
Blopper:
- EtW failed to deliver twice
- no Secret SB tech vs Carsten
- lost a match
- me for casting Grapeshot against innocent people
- boarding in Decays < Turn 1 kill
Ended up 2nd and take a Shockland home as price. Thx for your attention dear ladies and gentleman!
Maverick Player here (picking up TES), Maverick's hate (with few, bizarre sideboard exceptions) sits at 2CMC. If you can silence-walk through that turn (and capitalize on that with land drops or manipulation) then wonderful. If not, then try to set up permanent mana sources so that you can play through a potential Thalia. Laying Chrome Mox and Petals in anticipation of Thalia is fine. Beware of Wastelands though, naturally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaycounet
As far as getting through T1 Mother, t2 Thalia - you're in a rough spot. If you have a Massacre or something of the sort then sweet. Otherwise, you might just be trying to rough your way through Thalia.
Congrats on your finish Lemnear! How worked out the Cabal Theraphys for you, had you been satisfied with it, or did you wish,
it was a Thoughtseize instead in some spots? Further had the side Tropical helped for casting Abrupt Decays and Xantids consitently?
Looking forward to see a Heart of Storm Vol. 6 :smile:
Greetz
I casted Therapy 4 (maybe 5) times that day: twice with Probe for a 1-for-1 and a 1-for-2 trade each and 2 times more as blanks, naming the only card that could have stopped me in those situations, missed both times and proceed to kill my opponent. Didn't miss Thoughtseize or the second SB Discard at all. Casting mid-size EtW's + getting free mindtwists off your graveyard is nastyQuote:
Originally Posted by Sinkhole
I never ran the SB Tropical and Bryant cutted it this week for the invitational. I'm the wrong Person to ask. :/
HotS Vol. 6 is scheduled for december, because I have a lot of work atm and can't even test enough for BoM, not to talk about playing tourneys and write reports. I started making notes yesterday with timed rounds, but with my first round opponent bitching the whole time while I was counting storm and mana in the double-digits about me taking too long to think, I got really pissed and stopped taking serious notes. All gou can read in the small report above is from fresh memory only, because I typed the report on my trainride home.
Small remark about R1 G3: I noticed he trimmed his removal in game 2, so I tried to next level him with Xantid in game 3 which I successfully landed T1 and negated his grip of 2 counterspells for my turn 2 Ad Nauseam ^_^
on my side i was less efficient than lemnear
juste took the same decklist as bryant.
Won't talk about dice because i lost them all
Round 1 - strange reanimator / combo .
game 1 turn1 go for 14 goblin with no FOW. he cast griselbrand on his turn and draw 21 cards to find his own combo (strange deck ^^) but nothing. go to game 2
game 2 i've kept a hand to win if i draw tutor or ad nauseam. but right now i've nothing not brainstorm just dozen a mana if i want. he choose to startwith entomb. I cabal him with exhume stuff. my turn i drew IT. for adnaseam and the game
1-0
Round 2 - Goblin
he just say to me that he use to play storm without knowing that i'm playing storm ... ah ah ah he just add that he stop because he find it ennoying to play alone huhu
Game 1 - he plays caven name goblin go. go thoughseize on warren go. play goblin ringleader check 4 card and only kiki show his face. my turn adnaseaum for the kill it was quite tricky because i went to 2 to find enough ressource and all silence show their face
Game 2 - he did the same i try a brainstorm even i could make a turn 1 with chain in hand in case of thalia. he try a goblin his turn. I kill him on my turn.
2 - 0
Round 3 - TT
Game 1. Delver go. I've a hand to win probe him and see the spell snare (what !!) long time i haven't see this card ... so with my hand daze and pierce proof i can't do nothing. my hand was led *2 dark rit *2 rof * 2 BW*1. i've never drew any silence / discard during 5 turn
Game 2 was quite better but never find any tutor after i've thoughseize snare + cabal pierce + silence in hand + play 1 time ponder 2 time brainstorm ... bad luck is bad luck sometimes
2-1
Roun 4 - Patriot
Game 1 thoughseize him his ponder because he has almost nothing in hand and at least that will be hard for him to find counterspell. his turn delver go. i brainstorm. land drop and go. on delver un reveal daze ... go and add a second delver. Try to find a last mana source to go and go through daze now ..... on his second delver he drew pierce ... dam ! couldn't find any cabal and become low in life on my side. he add grim lavamancer on his side finnaly found 1 cabal go daze. + silence him. the main problem is that i'm a 5. i miss 1 mana to tendrill so the only solution is grapeshoot at least to clean the board. i kill the grim he answered by using it. i'm at 3 and i kill all his delver + 4 on him. i'm at 3 his turn he drew lightning bolt...
Game 2 : i have slow hand but keepable. i probe him i see a daze. pyroblast and few other thing and no land ... in fact 2 wasteland. ive to use my own land so brainstorm go i take another land from it he wast my land. i drop another one he waste it. and no more land on my side now we are in mode "top deck for a land" he drew volcanic delver go i drew a golden land + chrome. try to put chrome he force it ... try to brainstorm daze ... i just can't play. at the end in my cimetary you could find 2 chrome 2 petal 3 land and no way to win on my side. i've to grapeshoot everytning to maybe win ... i'm at 5 again he's at 9.... and he draw geist ... and me adnaseam with one missing mana to cast it and try to find the very last solution ...
2-2
I guess i didn't keep the right hand in game 3 and 4 anyway it was fun to play.
See you at the BOM ^^ and sorry for my english (i'm french ^^)
Head up Jay! Shit happens...
Another small remark: Didn't take a single mulligan the whole day! Maybe should have done in R2 G2 but the hand felt solid against discard.
I'm ok with that i've finish 4th on my 2 last tournament one at 26 player the other one at 57 player so it's ok I can have bad karma sometimesQuote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
I fully agree that decay < win 1st turn
Nice line of mind tricking, playing with T.E.S often times feels more to me like playing Poker not Mtg... :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
@Sinkhole
I urge you to play Probe as a 4-off and never ever board out a single one, because it exactly reveals how you have to play in certain situations.
It's impossible to deny the unholy triforce of EtW + G.Probe + Cabal Therapy in this deck and what's one of the reasons I maxed the Therapies. The other is that boarding discard for discard in creature-matchups feels quite retarded like my previous running of Pyroclasm alongside Grapeshot. A third reason is, that moving cardtype Independent discard to the MB free'd one more SB for me so I gained additional edges against Miracles, Counter-overloads and combo
Man, I remember proposing that Git Probe might be playable in TES and getting immediately shot down about it. Heh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
The joke is that ANT and TES develop towards each other in interations, but some peeps still pick up the small differences to fuel hatred or misinformation. (See Probe, see Therapy, see EtW, etc.) I'm very glad that Carsten and me both have a very clear view concerning our decks and get along very well unlike most peeps in this forum does.Quote:
Originally Posted by thefringthing
Hey all,
Long time lurker on The Source, but never really got around to posting. Thought I'd start contributing now that the Storm Boards are more or less dead.
I've been playing TES for about a year and a half, occasionally stopping to toy around with DDFT, Painter, and ANT variants. I've never tried Telemin Performance, but it seems great in my metagame, which has a decent amount of storm, Reanimator, and TinFins. Definitely going to stick one in the sideboard for a local event tomorrow, I'll let you know how it goes.
I wouldn't know why you'd think that the stormboards are more or less dead. It's just a tad quiet because at the moment there isn't much to talk about that hasn't already been said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kael
Other than that, I'd love to hear how Telemin Performance is working out for you. Obviously, it's very meta dependent.
I suppose calling it dead isn't fair. The DDFT section still gets some activity, but it's one of the only places on the internet you can talk about that deck. There's nothing to really talk about in the TES thread, though. And considering 90% of the people who play in my metagame are on GBx discard decks or combo, TP should certainly see some action.
Dunno what you are talking about. DDFT is obsolete as a "life independent" storm engine since the printing of Past in Flames, ANT runs behind every metagame-shift and TES discussion is very active concerning the SB and the disruption suit. Especially in this thread there's unexpected much talk considering the fact that the latest expansions had almost Zero impact for the Legacy metagame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kael
I disagree with your dismissal of DDFT as a deck, but regardless of it's obsolescence, people still play the deck, and when they want to have conversations about it, they do it on the storm boards. Hence, the DDFT section is still fairly active. The ANT thread hasn't been touched in a few weeks, and there hasn't been a word in the TES thread in months, which is problematic for me, given that it's the deck I run most often. Perhaps it'll see more activity with a significant metagame shift or spoiler, but in the meantime, I'll mostly be over here. I enjoy reading Cook's tournament reports, your Heart of the Storm series, and other people's reports, and I just feel that there's more discussion to contribute to here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Anyways, not much to say about Telemin Performance. 4-0'd the event, but played against Nic Fit-Birthing Pod , DnT, Big Red, and Imperial Painter. Didn't get to use it.
I still find Vendillion Clique relevant, whether or not TES has the ability to go off on turn 1 or 2 doesn't mean it can go off on turn 1 or 2 thru' disruption or permission, and Vendillion Clique tends to be accelerated by Deathrite Shaman and to a lesser extent Green Sun's Zenith so I assure you it's a very real consideration on turn 2. I'm guessing you just don't play against Vendillion Clique as much as I do, Miracles MDs them, RUG SBs them, Stoneblade MDs them beside Deathrite Shaman, BUG SBs them and MDs Deathrite Shaman etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Duress has lost me a lot of match ups because it couldn't take Vendillion Clique, whether or not you solve that broblem with Thought Seize or Cabal Therapy I think is really a matter of taste, but right now I'm pretty happy with 2 MD Thought Seize, 1 MD Cabal Therapy and 1 SB Cabal Therapy and I'm running 4 City of Brass, 2 Gemstone Mine instead of the usual set up and not really having problems with life loss. As much as people call TES an Ad Nauseam deck, the fact of the matter is that it kills with Empty the Warrens, Diminishing Returns, Past in Flames and tutor/cantrip chains combined more often anyway, and I don't think it's right to play strictly inferior cards for the sake of half our win condition.
English isn't my first language either, so no worries.
We have a lot of tempo around here but I never saw anyone playing GSZ into Dryad Arbor into Clique. Tbh Most peeps here aren't too Fond of Boarding 3cc Cards against Storm. I still apprechiated your Input to reconsider our disruption suitQuote:
Originally Posted by Final Fortune
Yeah, that explains a lot, I think you'll have to wait 'til True Name Nemesis enters the metagame and cards like GSZ and Noble Hierarch return to the metagame in order to accelerate him into play, at which point you're going to see T2 Clique the same way I do - as a real threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
There are a shitload of 3cc cards in existance that "kill us" if dropped via acceleration. Clique is just one of those. I'm looking forward to players tapping out for Hierarch/DRS and TNNQuote:
Originally Posted by Final Fortune
We just had our monthly legacy tournament. 42 players with me placing as the victor.
I had an exactly same list of 75 with Cook BUT my only difference was: his main has 2 Cabal and a Thoughtseize, WHILE I have 2 Thoughtseize and a Cabal in my 60.
The loss of life from the said TSs are not that significant. On average, my life total is at 11 to 15 whenever I go off with an Ad naus and I still manage to kill him with TOA.
For my tournament report, click my link below.
http://mtglegacy.freeforums.org/d4d-...th-tes-t8.html
Pictures of the D4D event below. Tiyo Paeng is my name here
http://www.syntaxassassin.com/d4d5/
@Cook,
How's your invitational weekend?
@Lem and other Euro TES Players,
Wish you all the luck and good draws and good MUs!
Congrats Paeng! I've never seen so many Elves in a Manila top 8.
Ruric Thar something like that, is the name of their new toy. And it really annoys U-decks and storm too.Quote:
Originally Posted by .Ix
Maybe that's the reason why no U-deck is on top for today in our field. I hope to see you anytime soon here. You take good care there in the south bro!
^_^
Congratz dood!
Edit: I hope I don't get unluckily "eliminated" by all the hatebear.decs and MUD in the first rounds.
The weekend was pretty unsuccessful for me. I went 2-2 in the Legacy portion of the Invitational with a BYE, my losses were to being just goldfished against Dredge and to Reanimator. I beat Sneak & Show by playing pretty tight. The legacy open was just miserable, lost to ANT round one and post round two. Both were just cases of super unfortunate events, like having an Emrakul hardcast against me turn three on the play.
Thoughtseize was great. I plan on continuing to play it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Cook
That's sad news. Still Sounds like a metagame for TP blowouts
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Part of me wonders how much we need Abrupt Decay in the current metagame. Those are three sideboard slots that could be used to improve other match-ups.