Great idea Jblinder. As soon as I saw people using buried alive with the Phoenix it seemed natural to try to combine it with reanimation strategies.
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Great idea Jblinder. As soon as I saw people using buried alive with the Phoenix it seemed natural to try to combine it with reanimation strategies.
My biggest concern is not the power level of phoenix in reanimator strategies, it's that it's hit by all the same hate. It doesn't seem to diversify the deck. Granted, maybe the added consistency is just too good to pass up, but I'll let other people test it and find out for me.
Some ISZ action on camera: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5-64atIQMI
Decklist: https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=20795&f=LE
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Originally Posted by YIGIT
Always painful to me to see newer pilots of the deck getting griselbrand onto the table with no mana floating and not immediately cracking LED for BBB (attack first if shallow grave) before drawing. LED is very powerful on the combo turn if used correctly. Start doing this if you’re playing ISZ and not doing it already (and watch your fizzle rate decrease dramatically).
Haven’t yet watched video beyond the first draw 7; had to come back to post this haha.
Been Playing ANT for a while, has tin fins moved from blue and now is a jund or mardu color? or is there still an esper list?
Kind of think this new M20 card veil of summer might be worth sb slots in tin fins lists that can support it. Playing this in response to a ponder on their turn and shallow graving at end of turn seems kind of cool. Countering a thoughtseize and cantripping seems similarly cool. Autumns veil was almost a fringe option but this card actually seems good.
Esper tin fins is still perfectly playable. I tend to think the LED versions, specifically Ice Station Zebra and Burning Fins are a little better, but Brainstorm is a helluva drug. Just go back a few pages; I’m sure there are some Esper lists.Quote:
Originally Posted by MScott
3x Griselbrand
1x Children of Korilis
1x Emrakul, Aeons Torn
1x Tendrils of Agony
4x Lotus Petal
1x Chrome Mox
4x Dark Ritual
4x Brainstorm
4x Careful Study
2x Cabal Therapy
4x Goryo’s Vengeance
4x Entomb
4x Thoughtseize
1x Reanimate
1x Unburial Rites
4x Exhume
4x Daze
2x Underground Sea
1x Scrubland
4x Polluted Delta
4x Bloodstained Mire
1x Swamp
1x Island
This is an altered list from a friend of mine. Any thoughts?
I think that is a list of Legacy legal cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by MScott
What do you think?
Is there a reason you chose those cards over the standard build?
How has your testing gone?
Accidentally wrote a reply without quoting--Edited and posted below.
Stuff I feel very strongly about:Quote:
Originally Posted by MScott
Tendrils of Agony does not belong, and should be replaced by 1xCollective Brutailty. Once you have the Children + Griselbrand interaction (the only time Tendrils is reliably good), you will never need a ToA, since you can keep looping through your deck using Emrakul, making more mana every time and eventually hardcasting Emmy for the win. The Collective Brutality is there to still win through a card like Ensnaring Bridge. You use the same infinite deck loop to cast that one CB over and over until your opponent is dead. The key difference is that ToA is very close to a dead draw when you don't have a Griselbrand in play. Collective Brutaily is actually a real magic card.
Shallow Grave is better than both Exhume and Goryo's. Exhume doesn't give haste, can't be cast at instant speed to blow out a Surgical and can't bring back a hasty Emrakul. Goryo's targets and cannot return Children. In this build with no LED, Goryo's is probably the best complement to the auto-4 Shallow Grave.
Stuff I feel less strongly about, but do think will improve the deck:
1 Unburial Rites: A card I never leave home without these days, but all my builds play Lion's Eye Diamond. Without it I expect this card to be way too clunky. You can try it but expect it to vastly underperform. The whole idea is something like turn 1 Dark Ritual, LED, Entomb Unburial Rites...win. In your deck you're going to need a way to first bin Griselbrand, then a bunch of mana and an Entomb for the Rites. It's just not going to happen often, and you'll be mostly sad when you draw this card.
4xCareful Study: Back when Esper lists were the norm, 4 Ponder and 0 CS was the Gold Standard. I started playing CS, and was very happy with it in general, but it becomes a liability post board when the card disadvantage matters more and you don't often want to recklessly throw GB into the yard turn 1 because of surgical. I like a 2 Ponder 2 CS split better. If you do play 4 (and probably even if you play just 1-2) I'd def suggest playing the full 4 Griselbrand as well.
4xDaze: Daze is a card I've tried, and when it works it's fantastic. When it doesn't it's really bad. I don't think Daze is bad, but I think it is in a slot that I'd much prefer to be Unmask. That card is pure gas, and is much more reliable forcing through the combo than Daze. I think it would be really cool to play just one Daze. That way the times you do draw it, the opponent will play around it the rest of the match like you have four, when in reality you'll almost never actually have it. That's good value.
This is what I would suggest given your list as a starting point:
4 Griselbrand
1 Emrakul
1 Children
4 Lotus Petal
1 Chrome Mox
4 Dark Ritual
4 Brainstorm
2 Careful Study
2 Ponder
4 Thoughtseize
3 Unmask
1 Cabal Therapy
1 Collective Brutality
1 Daze
4 Entomb
4 Shallow Grave
4 Goryo's Vengeance
1 Reanimate
3 Underground Sea
1 Scrubland
1 Swamp
1 Island
4 Polluted Delta
4 Bloodstained Mire
Yea I toyed around with the deck when top/counterbalance miracles was the entire meta, so my views may be odd. Do you have a burning wish list you like? and is grixis ever a thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jblinder
Please put in some amount of effort. There are scores of pages of discussion about specific cards, deck lists, side boarding strategy, and more. Eight of your nine posts are requests for info or input with no thoughts of your own.
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...36#post1070136
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...77#post1070177
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...59#post1070259
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...46#post1071246
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...91#post1071491
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...47#post1071847
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...55#post1071855
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...51#post1071951
Scroll back. Find a Burning Wish list. What do you think of that list? What changes do you think should be made? Why do you think these things?
Im sorry i thought this was a site where people who know less about these decks can ask questions because they are interested in them, rather then be forced to add knowledge without any way to gain itQuote:
Originally Posted by thecrav
You have misread me. As someone who has read your entire forum history, this does not shock me.Quote:
Originally Posted by MScott
Google "How to ask good questions." A good question requires effort. You might, for example, provide a deck list, and list the reasons for any non-standard choices, giving other commenters a starting point for their responses. Here is an example of someone doing exactly that, only one page ago. Or you might link an old decklist, then link MTGGoldfish's metagame analysis and ask whether a particular card should be swapped for one that more adequately answers that analysis.
This thread is currently one hundred seventy-three pages long. If you cannot find a way to find some amount of information about the deck, there is nothing that we can do to help you.Quote:
Originally Posted by MScott
All that said, if I had a tournament coming up (and I do) and I wanted to play Tin Fins (and I do) and I hadn't played it in a while (and I haven't), I would play the following.
4 Griselbrand
1 Children of Korlis
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
2 Collective Brutality
4 Dark Ritual
4 Lotus Petal
4 Entomb
4 Shallow Grave
3 Goryo's Vengeance
2 Reanimate
4 Thoughtseize
2 Cabal Therapy
1 Chrome Mox
4 Polluted Delta
2 Marsh Flats
2 Flooded Strand
1 Island
1 Swamp
1 Tundra
1 Scrubland
2 Underground Sea
4 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
1 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
1 Lim-Dul's Vault
4 Monastery Mentor
4 Dark Confidant
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Chain of Vapor
2 Massacre
2 Echoing Truth
1 Serenity
This is quite close to the traditional build. It chooses Collective Brutality over Tendrils of Agony, which takes longer but is better overall. The sideboard is transformative, which is useful to me because I haven't played in a while and it's easier to play something that probably isn't hit by their hate then it is to play against their hate when you don't know what their hate is. The remainder of the sideboard is fairly usual for a combo deck in Esper colors - Massacre to wipe Death and Taxes pus a few ways to get rid of opposing graveyard hate should the transformation not be the best option.
If you have any specific questions, I'd be happy to address them.
eta:
Quote:
Originally Posted by MScott
People still use the Source? Well, I'll be dipped.
The cool thing about decks that floop Griselbrand into play is that, you can play a list that's a couple years old and it'll do pretty well unless you're playing a meta that's nothing but chalice decks and main deck gy hate.
Heck, most of the Esper lists are pretty much the same, with maybe a few sb slots different (are you playing creatures in the sb or reactive stuff) and a few main deck choices (flex slots being more discard, LDV, preordain, Chrome Mox, etc).
As far as meta considerations, maindeck Narset is rough, but if you're running 7-9 discard spells, you can reliably hit a Narset or just end the game before one hits the field. Otherwise new Teferi makes it hard to reanimate Emrakul, but once again, easy to play around when you can either end the game before t3 or just swing in with Griselbrand, then go infinite with CoBru in your second main.
But for anyone reading this and curious about the deck, the primer is still good, and there's literal years of solid discussion here to answer most questions. Also, the discord is the place to be: https://discord.gg/mq9pQfz Keep in mind, we do still like people adding their thoughts to the discussion, because if you share a list and ask "what do you think?" you're not going to get much discussion because there's nothing stimulating about that question. If you share a list and ask "I'm thinking about playing this list, but I'm uncertain about slots X, y, & Z", that's a great question. Almost every question has been asked, and lots of cards have been tried, so it's worth the time to do some reading.
THE GANG'S ALL HERE!
In other news, TinFins is officially a dinosaur deck now:
https://mythicspoiler.com/m20/cards/rottingregisaur.jpg
Just kill them before they have enough mana to cast Narset, duh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acclimation
Once I was drunk talking about how great Tin Fins was and after the fourth time someone said "how do you beat X?" I realized that my answer to that question would always be to just kill them before it matters.
People get really upset at me when I just tell them my plan to beat X is to just kill them before X is relevant or draw my sideboard cards to deal with X. I have no idea what these people are expecting for a response. I'm not insta-scooping to one card in a vacuum scenario, y'all, I'm playing a fast deck with 8-10 cantrips with general sb answers, theoretically I can beat multiple pieces of hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by thecrav
Just came here to say that this list sucks. It's like... at least 1 maybe 2 cards different than what I would play in the maindeck. Geez, get with the times. Like, what year is it, 2015? (I keed! <3 u Sam!)Quote:
Originally Posted by thecrav
I do think this deck warrants testing Teferi, Time Raveler out of the sideboard though. We're in esper and it's a city of solitude that also can deal with Chalice. What's not to love? Outside of 3 CMC that is.
Also, I'm on board for Dino-train. That card seems great in the SB to me - replaces Phyrexian Devourer that @RichardCheese and I tried 6 years ago. And also it actually got him to post in the thread - anything that does that is net positive in my eyes.
I want to win a game by responding to their Tendrils of Agony with my Tendrils of Agony.Quote:
Originally Posted by .dk
edit: Actually, I want to NOT LOSE the game by responding to their Tendrils with my Tendrils. Then I'll attack them to death with Children of Korlis the next turn.
jfc this must be doneQuote:
Originally Posted by thecrav
Played this pile of Legacy-legal cards in a 26-person tournament Saturday. Full results and 16/26 decklists at http://lonestarlhurgoyfs.com/2019-07...egacy-Results/
https://files.seemsgood.net/mtg/deck-2019-07-13.jpg
R1: Brandon on RG EDH Deck - In two games, he cast two spells, both of which I had to read. T1 kill, T2 kill. 1-0 (2-0)
R2: Johnny on Death and Taxes - Had the full specturm of games. G1, killed him T3 or so. G2, boarded into Monks, still didn't get there. G3, see he's boarding heavily after seeing my monks, so I board back into the combo. He gets T2 Rest in Peace, T3 Thalia, and a bunch more hate. I battle valliantly and at one point am a mana away from being able to get a Griselbrand into play but he beats me down. 1-1 (3-2)
R3: Tim on Echoes of Eons Belcher - Finally, a fair match. G1, Tim makes 8 Goblins on T1 and passes, so I kill him. I don't board because boarding this matchup is for those who lack faith. He kills me T1. I continue to not board because I have faith in Griselbrand. I have a good hand but not an insta-kill. Tim makes a Belcher on T1 but doesn't have any mana to activate it. I get a Griselbrand and 21 cards isn't enough to secure the kill. T4, I get another Griselbrand, attack for 7 so I can draw, and still don't get there. I cast two CoBrus to get me over 7 again, then realize that Tim is at 2. I have Children out so I can start comboing but I figure I'll try this first - I shuffle the yard back in with Emmy, hoping to hit CoBru on my draw 7. I find it and kill with an anticlimactic CoBru. 2-1 (5-3)
R4: Kaider on Jeskai Stoneblade (I never saw a red card or even a red source) - G1, Control deck gonna Control deck. G2, Monks beat down hard. G3, return to the combo. I get a Teferi out on turn three and Entomb a Griselbrand turn 4. From there, I draw nothing of value. Eventually he gets a Narset, Parter of Veils, further limiting my ability to find anything useful. He eventually gets there. Ater the game, someone asks how I could've possibly kept that hand. I say, my dude, I had a Griselbrand in the yard with combo protection for seven consecutive turns - how much better did you want the hand to be? In any event, Kaider has to leave soon so even though he won in three, he gives me the match 2-0. 3-1 (7-3)
Doing the math, I think a draw has me 50/50 to make 8 on breakers. My opponent says we can definitely draw in. I flippantly respond "Yea I don't do that" so we sit down for round five.
R5: Nicholas on Grixis Control - I don't really remember anything other than not really having any idea what his deck was trying to do. Then I died 3-2 (7-5)
Nicholas ended up in third. I ended up in ninth. I guess I could've made top 8 after all.
As the event was for charity, I got a few people to commit to donate to the charity for each time I activated Griselbrand. The total count over five rounds was 43 activations for a total pledged donations of $344 to Houston Food Bank. A couple of the people who pledged are currently on vacation so I'll have the full followup on that on my website once it happens.
Teferi felt pretty good and I was kinda nnoyed I didn't play against more Blue to get to use him. Narset is dumb good against us. A lot of my losses it felt like I was just waiting to draw things. Maybe I've forgotten how to keep or maybe I was unlucky.
Tinfins is still super fun. I'm pretty sure I had more fun than anyone else in the tournament.
Honestly, it's really awesome that you dedicated your onion bursting for charity.
Nice write-up. Short and sweet.
Also, didn't realize you had a blog, which is also very well put together.
Why thank you! It's Ghost with just a few modifications - mostly removing features intended for blogs that have multiple writers.Quote:
Originally Posted by 8bit9mm
It's been a hot minute since I've picked up the deck, so I've made a document that's a sort of primer for 2019 to help me prepare for an upcoming event. I think Tinfins is decently positioned right now, since it's fast enough to go under permanents.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing
For anyone wanting to see a list, I'd play something like this in an event:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...500&height=298
It's in the document I shared, but I figure people would want to see a list in the forum if they didn't want to click a link.
Is this deck going to try out K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth? Seems like an ideal fit for the deck. Especially with Children of Korlis to get all that life back.
I'm really unsure why you would want or consider K'rrik. Griselbrand is a tool to draw cards/deck before deciding how you intend to win. K'rrik just becomes modestly big for an awful lot of effort, before dying at end of turn having swung for non-trample lifelink damage (assuming its not chumped or worst case TNN blocked and you lose the life).Quote:
Originally Posted by guslandt
I love me a good tin fins mashup, and we just got a new toy! Haven’t tried this yet. Yes, both halves are weak to the same interactions (though breach is actually quite resilient to surgical extraction). Maybe this is decent.
4 griselbrand
4 dark ritual
4 entomb
4 shallow grave
3 exhume
1 unburial rites
4 thoughtseize
4 faithless looting
4 underworld breach
2 burning wish
3 brain freeze
4 led
4 lotus petal
15 land (hand waving the mana for now)
4 reverent silence
1 exhume
1 reanimate
2 shenanigans
1 ancient grudge
1 tendrils
1 empty the warrens
1 grapeshot
1 silent gravestone
1 collective brutality
1 gamble
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jblinder
Anybody splashing green for Veil of Summer?
Cross post from Reddit - https://www.reddit.com/r/MTGLegacy/c..._fish_data_to/
I played at General Games Malven here in Melbourne Australia yesterday, I had a blast catching up with people. This was the first time I’d played Legacy since November 2018 at GP Melbourne side event. I had two decks which are my own, Tin Fins and Lands. Lands is clearly a meta deck and benefits from knowing what the flex slots should be and also what you’re going to be playing against …. Both of which I did not know so Tin Fins it will be!
https://preview.redd.it/i6ra7iiwcsf4...=webp&a4eca77a
In G2 of my round 4 camera match had a weird spot, I cast Defence Grid on 12 life facing double flipped delvers, the idea being able to pass the turn and entomb / shallow grave. Steve surgicals my brainstorms in response and then attacks me down too 6 as expected. I petal for the turn so now have island, swamp & grid in play and ritual / shallow / entomb / petal in hand.
I tap swamp, cast ritual and entomb. As I’m thumbing through my deck I come across emrakul and pause, shall I sweep the board? Or is Griselbrand better here? I went with Emrakul because stringing together a kill from 6 life with only 1 draw 7 is really hard in Tin Fins … or so I thought. I sweep the board, Steve recovers in 3 turns to cast pyromancer and then kills me on his 6th turn.
I got chatting to the guy I’m giving a ride too about it on the way home and said my deck top decks really badly so I wonder if I should have just gone for it and he said gold fish it.
With the help of the stream I was able to perfectly recreate the two positions. I decided on 15 of each (10 didn’t seem enough and 20 was going to take AGES).
At the time I said it was all about finding CoK but if you read below you’ll see there is a number of lines that played out completely differently as the deck has some really weird lines!
Summary:
Entomb for Griselbrand = 6 wins, 9 losses
Entomb for Emrakul = 4 wins, 3 likely wins and 8 losses
So on the balance I think Griselbrand is straight up better here because the wins are clear and obvious. One thing I did notice is the value of ponder’s goes WAY up when someone has surgicaled your brainstorms, I found myself shuffling super aggressively in this situation which i didn’t do on camera (I wasn’t yet under pressure).
Addendum: Realised I did my deck a disservice, my deck was called #InGriselbrandWeTrust on the damn list.... and I didn't trust him :(
Addendum2: Link to the match https://www.twitch.tv/videos/548494606?t=1h52m33s
Addendum3: My alters as the stream chatted about them a few times. My deck is non-foiled with FBB's not beta as incorrectly said in the stream https://i.imgur.com/oxgUSxh.jpg
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https://preview.redd.it/715xse31dsf4...=webp&104e8d16
GB 1 - SG / Grisel / ThoughtS / Scrub / Delta / Cabal / Ritual -> play scrub, flash back Cabal (name bolt), EoT shallow, pass turn on 6, EoT Steve RFG Grisel, draw petal, crack delta for sea, ritual, sac both petals, Cast Grisel, Win
GB 2 - CoK / Petal / Delta / Sea / Ponder / Grisel / Shallow -> cast & crack petal, CoK, gain 7, draw 7, Grisel / Shallow / Goryo’s / Rit / Rit / flooded / Goryo’s -> Crack petal, 2xrit, shallow grave, gain 14, draw 14, easy win from here with 2 in pool, another petal and ritual and a shallow in hand - Win
GB 3 - Sea / 2x Delta / Petal / Rit / Verdant / thought s -> Die
GB 4 - 2x Petal / Scrubland / Grisel / Collective Brutality / Verdant / Reanimate -> play 2 petals, play scrub, cast collective escalate 1, target delver -2/-2 and drain him for 2 / gain 2, flash back cabal naming bolt, reanimate delver, pass turn on 7, go to 4 to delver beats & Steve casts Young pyro, revel ritual to delver & transform, pass turn, Steve cracks with both, trade delvers and fall to 2, top deck shallow grave, grave Grisel, attack for 7 and draw 7, swamp / ritual / delta x2 / Goryo’s / ponder / entomb, petal ponder, find CoK and cast of scrub gain 14, draw 7, Goyro’s / Thoughtseize / Delta / entomb x2 / sea / cabal, draw 7 more, Cabal / Grisel / Shallow / petal / goryos / Echo’ing / strand, cast petal, play sea, 2x rituals off sea, shallow grave CoK, gain 28 entomb emrakul, library is 33 cards, 2 petal & 1 mana floating, draw 7 & find petal / shallow / ritual to go with the 3 entombs in hand….. easy win after gaining 50+ life
GB 5 - Delta / petal / Thought / cabal / Grisel / scrubland / reanimate -> Die
GB 6 - 2x Thought / 2x entomb / 3x lands -> die
GB 7 - Shallow / Ponder / Reanimate / Petal / Thought / Delta / Verdant -> island, ponder into Ponder / 2x lands, shuffle, draw sea -> Die … if I took the ponder and fetched for a sea & pondered again -> 2x lands & cabal, shuffle into Sea -> Die
GB 8 - Scrubland / Cabal / Goryo’s / Shallow / Flooded / Entomb / thought -> play scrub -> entomb CoK & sac petal to shallow grave, gain 7 draw 7 - petal / entomb Grisel / thought / delta / Grisel / ponder, play petal & fetch for sea from delta, sac GB to cabal naming bolt, EOT Goyro’s back Grisel & discard 2nd Grisel to hand size, Steve casts pyro and passes back exiling Grisel, draw delta, ponder into ritual / petal / thought & shuffle, delta off blind -> die
GB 9 - Goryo’s / delta / thought / ponder / echoing truth / verdant / collective, delta for swamp, echoing truth 2x delver, flashback cabal naming delver pass turn, Steve plays pyro go, untap & draw ritual, ponder Emrakul / Ritual / Scrubland, draw emrakul ritual into collective with escalate discarding emrakul killing pyro and 2 to Steve, trigger on stack Goryo’s back emrakul for win
GB 10 - Goryo’s / swamp / cabal / thought / ritual / ponder / sea -> Ponder Reanimate / Cabal / Shallow, shuffle and draw shallow off blind, swamp flash back cabal, & EoT Goryro’s off petal, Steve casts pyro go, exile GB, untap & draw ritual -> Die
GB 11 - Thought x2 / Swamp / petal / griselbrand / ritual / entomb -> Die
GB 12 - Entomb / scrub / sea / petal / Goryo’s / thought, Sea & petal, flash back cabal & EoT Goryo’s, Steve casts pyro and passes back, exile Grisel, untap & draw thought -> die
GB 13 - petal / delta / goryro’s / emrakul / delta / shallow / entomb, petal, delta crack for swamp and entomb CoK, crack petal and tap island for Shallow on CoK, gain / draw 7, Goryo’s / echoing / delta / petal / grisel / shallow / thought - play petal & crack 2x to echoing truth delvers, flashback cabal naming delver, discard delta to hand size, Steve plays pyro, wastes sea & passes, draw collected, vengeance, attack for 7 & draw 7, cabal / Grisel / thought / entomb / echoing / ponder / petal, play petal & fetch for sea to shallow grave back CoK, sac CoK and go to 11, EoT discard to hand size a GB and pass turn with 2x instant reanimation for next turn - Win!
GB 14 - Ponder / Reanimate / Thought / Dark Ritual / Lotus Petal / Thought / Goryo’s, Ponder 2x land / Cabal, shuffle into Goryo’s, play petal & flashback cabal, EoT Goryo’s GB, Steve casts pyro and passes back exiling Grisel, draw verdant - Die
GB 15 - Sea / echoing / Goryo’s / reanimate / shallow / grisel / thought - sea, echoing truth 2x delver, flashback cabal naming delver pass turn, Steve plays pyro go, draw verdant, Goryo’s back Grisel, attack for 7 & draw 7, flooded / entomb / sea / scrubland / grisel / CoK / petal, play petal and crack for CoK gain 7 & draw 7, petal / cabal / delta / entomb / Goryo’s / thought / Goryo’s, play petal & scrub, cast shallow off swamp & scrub for CoK, gain 14, draw 7, swamp / cabal / petal / delta x2 / though / ritual, crack petal ritual for reanimate on CoK, draw 7 more … draw another ritual for 4 mana & shallow grave to gain 28 life? … easy win
https://preview.redd.it/vwfpyk89dsf4...=webp&420aad6b
I get 5 turns & 6 life before he kills me
Emrakul line - / = card drawn new turn
Emrakul GF1 - Flooded / Cabal / Collective, collective + escalate to kill pyro and gain 2, petal / sea / ritual / echoing truth / cabal / flooded / grisel = almost for sure die
Emrakul GF2 - Grisel / Reanimate / Ritual / Vengeance / cabal, ritual, cabal myself for grisel, attack for win
Emrakul GF3 - Goryo’s / ponder, ponder into (shallow, delta, ritual) , shuffle, thought off the blind, cabal / echoing, bounce pyro and cabal it saving petal, sea, collective / cabal / entomb entomb Grisel, Goryo’s back and attack for win
Emrakul GF4 - petal / verdant / Goryo’s / shallow / Tundra - Die
Emrakul GF5 - Petal / Sea / Goryo’s / Ponder, ponder into ( Delta, CoK, Cabal), shuffle sea, swamp - Die
Emrakul GF6 - Ritual / Swamp / Petal / Delta / Entomb - Die
Emrakul GF7 - Goryo’s / grid, play it / delta / entomb - win
Emrakul GF8 - Verdant / ritual / tundra / ritual / CoK, sac petal for CoK, entomb / delta / Goryo’s - likely win cause CoK would block the pyro
Emrakul GF9 - Entomb / verdant / grid, play grid, sea / ponder, play ponder (thought, shallow, delta) shuffle into thought - die
Emrakul GF10 - Entomb / Entomb / goyro’s - win
Emrakul GF11 - Sea / Delta / delta / ponder, ponder into (Entomb, ponder, sea) draw entomb, draw & cast ponder (sea, flooded, cabal) shuffle, draw scrub off blind - Die
Emrakul GF12 - Tundra / grid, play grid, ponder, play ponder (Entomb, ritual, cabal) draw entomb, cast it to find Grisel, draw sea / draw entomb - die
Emrakul GF13 - Scrub / delta / delta / shallow / petal - die
Emrakul GF14 - Echoing / cabal / shallow, cast echoing + cabal his pyro sacaing petal, delta (play), Goryo’s / petal / grisel / ponder, cast (reanimate, cabal, sea) draw reanimate, reanimate his delver fall to 5 & transform it off the cabal, likely win
Emrakul GF15 - petal / delta / reanimate, cast reanimate on his delver, check & draw grisel, check and draw flooded, check, transform and draw shallow, attack for 3
Was post board on the play, -4 unmask +2 Echoing +2 defense grid
#InGriselbrandWeTrust
//Plate spinners
4 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
//The “Go baby!” Button
4 Lotus Petal
4 Dark Ritual
//The Rack (the beginning of the end)
1 Reanimate
4 Entomb
4 Shallow Grave
3 Goryo’s Vengeance
//Pain
3 Our lord and Saviour “Griselbrand”
1 The flying spaghetti monster herself “Emrakul, the Aeons Torn”
1 lambs to the slaughter the “Children of Korlis”
//Suffering
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Thoughtsezie
4 Unmask
1 Collective Brutality
//Spell casters the slow way
1 Island
2 Swamp
1 Verdant Catacomb
2 Flooded strand
4 Polluted Delta
1 Tundra
1 Scrubland
2 Underground Sea
//Sideboard
2 Flusterstorm
2 Fatal Push
2 Echoing Truth
3 Serenity
2 Massacre
2 Defence Grid
2 Jace, Vyrn’s Prodigy
This deck seems pretty popular nowadays on MTGO, EW Landon playing it as well instead of regular BR Reanimator. Pretty surprised to find this thread on page 3. What's its weak spots in the current meta anyhoo?
Main weaknesses:Quote:
Originally Posted by Daize
Adult beverages
ADHD
General disinterest in Legacy and MtG as a whole
Fatty meats
https://www.reddit.com/r/MTGLegacy/c...deboard_guide/
Deck is reasonable right now.
81 tracked matches (LOT more played on this build; only recently started tracking with some rigor); 69.14% winrate right now (leagues/premier events only)
What about 1 collective brutality maindeck? Maybe for one of the dazes? Allows you to do an emrakul loop to kill the opponent vs something like an ensnaring bridge. Those situations may be corner cases, but collective brutality isn’t an embarrassing card in its own right either.Quote:
Originally Posted by walked