[Deck] 12 Post

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Originally Posted by Barook

Could you please edit the post with the Jund, Grixis Delver/Pyromancer and Shardless BUG match-ups? I do appreciate the guide alot.

That said, finished my first daily with the deck. Went 2-2, could have won at least one game in each match I lost (Jund and Grixis Pyromancer) because of my inexperience. Looking back, I could have won with better lines (and partly less shitty draws). It's pretty hard to play correctly (hence my misplays) with the numerous lines the deck offers, but it feels very rewarding. I'm still impressed by the sheer raw power the deck offers. I like how you don't have to rely on double :g: for hardcast Titan as you ramp straight into business instead.

Edit: Another thing I noticed in testing is the low number of green sources. How do you feel about it? From a mathematical point, the deck would need at least 10 green sources (instead of the 8 it runs now) to run smooth. Sure, Expedition Map helps, but that seems kinda like a waste.

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I added those matchups. I'm not really sure about Grixis Delver though, as I have not had much opportunity to play against it.

I'm glad that you're enjoying the deck. It definitely rewards practice. I've been playing something very close to this list for over three years, and I'm still discovering new lines.

As far as green mana goes, here's my reasoning: All of the maindeck green spells are, at their core, just support for the colorless lands. Every Forest you play after the first has drastically diminishing value, as those are land drops you could be spending developing the mana you really need to cast your business spells or that you could be spending to answer your opponent's threats. Consequently, every Forest you draw after the first has diminished value as well, as the deck can't shuffle them away with Brainstorm. Additional Forests also clog your five from Ancient Stirrings. So I see the Forest count as something analagous to the land count in RUG Delver - you run a bit light in order to draw more gas.

A Post list made top 8 at SCG Providence!

http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=83398

Very cool list. It's heavy on the green mana with no Maps. Lots of Exploration effects. I wonder how easy it was for him to resolve a Natural Order?

That Omnitell meta is brutal though.

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Originally Posted by into_play

A Post list made top 8 at SCG Providence!

http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=83398

Very cool list. It's heavy on the green mana with no Maps. Lots of Exploration effects. I wonder how easy it was for him to resolve a Natural Order?

That Omnitell meta is brutal though.

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Talking of the Omnitell - MU: any ideas on how to fight? Will try Rock Lee's idea of Seal of Primordium, but that won't be enough... MUD uses Trinisphere, Reanimator Iona, GSZ based decks Teeg. Are there more hate-cards?

in my experience trinispheres are the best to show and tell agains omni. you have at least two additional turns do something .. creatures could be trickbinded or charmed without mana detainment .. counters are bad because of grid and boseju and they have obviously more counterspells than you ..

Postman, Teeg cant stop omni =( they cast show, then wish, then call, then emracul. Tegg will watch this movie without any chances to stop

i wonder, how that guy from SCG could veat Omni. He has 0 cards against omni in main. And one card in sb

Any of you guys see the Junk Post variant with Knights and Deathrites on camera in Kyoto? It looked pretty close to this list, might've even been the same guy:

http://www.bigmagic.net/gpkobe2014/c...c_location=ufi (6th place list)

Seems like an interesting take on the archetype, if nothing else.

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Originally Posted by Loxmatii

Postman, Teeg cant stop omni =( they cast show, then wish, then call, then emracul. Tegg will watch this movie without any chances to stop

i wonder, how that guy from SCG could veat Omni. He has 0 cards against omni in main. And one card in sb

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I got $5 on dodging it! Lol.

Trinisphere has been hit or miss against Omni-tell. I've tried to hard cast it and they've countered it. I've sandbagged it to put in as a resolved show and tell and they have enough mana to win through it. Venser or Clique are also decent against Omni-tell. It requires them to use a cunning wish for the trickbind in their sideboard.

If your monogreen...resolve Choke & hope for the best?

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Originally Posted by Loxmatii

Postman, Teeg cant stop omni =( they cast show, then wish, then call, then emracul. Tegg will watch this movie without any chances to stop

i wonder, how that guy from SCG could veat Omni. He has 0 cards against omni in main. And one card in sb

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Got me! :-/ It only prevents EtI from being cast... Guess I will give Trinisphere a try, and maybe.... Iona in the Sideboard as well ;-(

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Originally Posted by Kael

Any of you guys see the Junk Post variant with Knights and Deathrites on camera in Kyoto? It looked pretty close to this list, might've even been the same guy:

http://www.bigmagic.net/gpkobe2014/c...c_location=ufi (6th place list)

Seems like an interesting take on the archetype, if nothing else.

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//Lands
4 Savannah
4 Windswept Heath
1 Forest
3 Vesuva
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Eye of Ugin
3 Wooded Foothills
2 Glimmerpost
1 Bayou
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Dark Depths
2 Thespian's Stage
1 Karakas
4 Cloudpost

4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Primeval Titan
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

//Spells
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Crop Rotation
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Pithing Needle
4 Explore

//Sideboard
3 Natural Order
3 Carpet of Flowers
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Mindbreak Trap
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Elderscale Wurm
1 Terastodon
1 Path to Exile

Eh, while the list doesn't exactly appeal to me personally, I can see the appeal to other players and the performance it could put out. It reminds me though of the days when players teched Nic Fit strategies with Cloudpost, only with Junk now.


Actually, what interests me is that non-Blue Post had a showing this weekend, and I am surprised Explore has a strong showing in both lists reported here this morning. It's been a long time since I played Explore in a competitive setting (I tested in Modern with RG Tron back after RG Tron was in development following Cloudpost's ban from that format), so the thought that it may have new life intrigues me because it has sentimental value from when I played Standard.

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Originally Posted by Mockingbird

//Lands
4 Savannah
4 Windswept Heath
1 Forest
3 Vesuva
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Eye of Ugin
3 Wooded Foothills
2 Glimmerpost
1 Bayou
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Dark Depths
2 Thespian's Stage
1 Karakas
4 Cloudpost

4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Primeval Titan
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

//Spells
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Crop Rotation
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Pithing Needle
4 Explore

//Sideboard
3 Natural Order
3 Carpet of Flowers
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Mindbreak Trap
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Elderscale Wurm
1 Terastodon
1 Path to Exile

Eh, while the list doesn't exactly appeal to me personally, I can see the appeal to other players and the performance it could put out. It reminds me though of the days when players teched Nic Fit strategies with Cloudpost, only with Junk now.


Actually, what interests me is that non-Blue Post had a showing this weekend, and I am surprised Explore has a strong showing in both lists reported here this morning. It's been a long time since I played Explore in a competitive setting (I tested in Modern with RG Tron back after RG Tron was in development following Cloudpost's ban from that format), so the thought that it may have new life intrigues me because it has sentimental value from when I played Standard.

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I tried 2 Explore a few weeks ago. For me it's similar to Exploration: nice in the first 3 turns, but terrible in mid- or lategame as a topdeck. But those are my personal thoughts and I'm still on the UG build...

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Originally Posted by Drixx

in my experience trinispheres are the best to show and tell agains omni. you have at least two additional turns do something .. creatures could be trickbinded or charmed without mana detainment .. counters are bad because of grid and boseju and they have obviously more counterspells than you ..

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I think Sphere of Resistance is better than Trinisphere here. It plays the same role, but you can play it more proactively on T2, often slowing them down significantly while they're still trying to sculpt a hand.

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Originally Posted by Mockingbird

//Lands
4 Savannah
4 Windswept Heath
1 Forest
3 Vesuva
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Eye of Ugin
3 Wooded Foothills
2 Glimmerpost
1 Bayou
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Dark Depths
2 Thespian's Stage
1 Karakas
4 Cloudpost

4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Primeval Titan
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

//Spells
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Crop Rotation
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Pithing Needle
4 Explore

//Sideboard
3 Natural Order
3 Carpet of Flowers
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Mindbreak Trap
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Elderscale Wurm
1 Terastodon
1 Path to Exile

Eh, while the list doesn't exactly appeal to me personally, I can see the appeal to other players and the performance it could put out. It reminds me though of the days when players teched Nic Fit strategies with Cloudpost, only with Junk now.


Actually, what interests me is that non-Blue Post had a showing this weekend, and I am surprised Explore has a strong showing in both lists reported here this morning. It's been a long time since I played Explore in a competitive setting (I tested in Modern with RG Tron back after RG Tron was in development following Cloudpost's ban from that format), so the thought that it may have new life intrigues me because it has sentimental value from when I played Standard.

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I used to play quite a bit with Explore in Post. It's not bad. It's a much better late-game topdeck than Exploration because it cycles.

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Originally Posted by TheBoozeCube

I think Sphere of Resistance is better than Trinisphere here. It plays the same role, but you can play it more proactively on T2, often slowing them down significantly while they're still trying to sculpt a hand.

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I've play Trinisphere in MUD-Post, and generally anything that you play before their attempt to resolve Show and Tell will either not matter or get countered. The best time to go for Trinisphere in my experience is to drop it in off their Show and Tell. That's more of the hail mary though. The problem with Sphere of Resistance is that it buys time, but Omni players can still go for Emrakul to win.

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Originally Posted by Mockingbird

I've play Trinisphere in MUD-Post, and generally anything that you play before their attempt to resolve Show and Tell will either not matter or get countered. The best time to go for Trinisphere in my experience is to drop it in off their Show and Tell. That's more of the hail mary though. The problem with Sphere of Resistance is that it buys time, but Omni players can still go for Emrakul to win.

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This is all too true. That's precisely what happened to me in g3 at an IQ that I played in about a month ago. But I think the Omniscience plan is a lot more frightening, since you have the possibility of Karakas against Emrakul.

The primary reason I play Sphere of Resistance over Trinisphere, however, is that I can drop it on T2 vs Storm or Elves, where a T3 Trinisphere is often too slow.

@Loxmatii - In that match up if they don't have the follow up that turn for their omniscience, I do have an ulamog and emrakul main which can both answer an omniscience. Dropping in a primeval titan can usually get me the mana to where I need to be if they have to dig still.

Honestly I had not put much thought into that match up. It only recently became popular in the area within the last couple weeks. My attempt at beating it now is going to include 3 Krosan Grip in the board as well as 1 Gaddock teeg. With the list as is, combo is a tough match up, those 2 cards should help to shore them up. I am actually good friends with Daniel Hall and I plan to play test some ideas with him to find a better answer to omnitell without having to sacrifice my own game plan.

As for idea on teeg for the omnitell match up, he shuts off enter the infinite, dig through time and force which can all be relevant to surviving the few turns that you need to survive.

@Into_Play - Natural order was impressively easy to resolve, especially against miracles. Many people were confused about the dryad arbor, or the natural order (whichever they saw first). Then they got hit by 4 mana into a primeval titan. It was delightful casting natural order. Even nicer when you have ramped off an oracle for the turn and you decide that you want to upgrade it to a titan.

@maCHOOga - At first I had not realized I would have to plan for it because I haven't really seen much of it. Once at the event checking around the tables, I crossed my fingers and hoped to dodge it all day and I did. Had I not lost round 1 of top 8 I would have been forced to play against it.

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Originally Posted by into_play

A Post list made top 8 at SCG Providence!

http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=83398

Very cool list. It's heavy on the green mana with no Maps. Lots of Exploration effects. I wonder how easy it was for him to resolve a Natural Order?

That Omnitell meta is brutal though.

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Originally Posted by mykatdied

@Loxmatii - In that match up if they don't have the follow up that turn for their omniscience, I do have an ulamog and emrakul main which can both answer an omniscience. Dropping in a primeval titan can usually get me the mana to where I need to be if they have to dig still.

Honestly I had not put much thought into that match up. It only recently became popular in the area within the last couple weeks. My attempt at beating it now is going to include 3 Krosan Grip in the board as well as 1 Gaddock teeg. With the list as is, combo is a tough match up, those 2 cards should help to shore them up. I am actually good friends with Daniel Hall and I plan to play test some ideas with him to find a better answer to omnitell without having to sacrifice my own game plan.

As for idea on teeg for the omnitell match up, he shuts off enter the infinite, dig through time and force which can all be relevant to surviving the few turns that you need to survive.

@Into_Play - Natural order was impressively easy to resolve, especially against miracles. Many people were confused about the dryad arbor, or the natural order (whichever they saw first). Then they got hit by 4 mana into a primeval titan. It was delightful casting natural order. Even nicer when you have ramped off an oracle for the turn and you decide that you want to upgrade it to a titan.

@maCHOOga - At first I had not realized I would have to plan for it because I haven't really seen much of it. Once at the event checking around the tables, I crossed my fingers and hoped to dodge it all day and I did. Had I not lost round 1 of top 8 I would have been forced to play against it.

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I'm glad you decided to take me up on my invite to join the thread's conversion.

One point I would like to add to is that my personal testing of you deck has shown me in the power of Natural Order off Dryad Arbor is how easy it is to set up with fetch lands. It's especially useful when opponents see the Natural Order off a spell and no creatures and forget Fetchlands. One thing I am curious about is what lead you away from Green Sun's Zenith and toward Natural Order

My testing has been mostly positive (reiterate a point we discussed earlier, I agree that Krosan Grip is a good idea given that I just had to power through Blood Moon against Big Red).

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Originally Posted by Mockingbird

I'm glad you decided to take me up on my invite to join the thread's conversion.

One point I would like to add to is that my personal testing of you deck has shown me in the power of Natural Order off Dryad Arbor is how easy it is to set up with fetch lands. It's especially useful when opponents see the Natural Order off a spell and no creatures and forget Fetchlands. One thing I am curious about is what lead you away from Green Sun's Zenith and toward Natural Order

My testing has been mostly positive (reiterate a point we discussed earlier, I agree that Krosan Grip is a good idea given that I just had to power through Blood Moon against Big Red).

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I shy away from GSZ because I want to focus on ramp. Natural order is a 3 of in the 75 because it's simple to cast at 4 mana and because it gets prime time, it ramps us into posts. Whereas GSZ would be a 7 mana spell for prime time, which can be tough depending on what our opponent is doing to disrupt our mana, granted the single green can be easier to do at times. GSZ can ramp us turn 1, but it then competes for our 1 slot which is pretty full as is. Depending on our hand stirrings turn 1 is usually the best play, aside from needle on wasteland obviously.

Grip is a definite answer to omniscience for at least a turn depending on what they are casting off it. Which is why I like it. It also gives us some extra play against moon which I struggled with in top 8. I surprisingly beat it twice before that without much issue. Oracle into prime time just gets there I guess...

Explore has been amazing to anyone that was curious. Even later in the game it can be the cheap spell that we use to cantrip into our bigger plays like eldrazi, titan or ugin in my list.

on that note I highly suggest ugin to anyone who has not tested it. I have yet to find a fair deck that can really beat that card. DnT does have revoker, but they have to shut down top and candel as well so it gives us an extra target they just can't really handle otherwise.

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Originally Posted by mykatdied

Grip is a definite answer to omniscience for at least a turn depending on what they are casting off it.

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Grip isn't reliable, in my experience. A smart OmniTell player will expect it and play around it by holding priority after S&T resolves, and casting a second Omniscience. I still board Grip in, but it's not great here.



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Originally Posted by TheBoozeCube

Grip isn't reliable, in my experience. A smart OmniTell player will expect it and play around it by holding priority after S&T resolves, and casting a second Omniscience. I still board Grip in, but it's not great here.

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In this case the opponent needs to be smart enough to lucksack into two Omnisciences. Sometimes Lady Smartness makes it happen but usually not.

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Originally Posted by Hopo

In this case the opponent needs to be smart enough to lucksack into two Omnisciences. Sometimes Lady Smartness makes it happen but usually not.

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It's usually less a matter of luck than a matter of them sculpting their hand. In a deck that plays as many cantrips as they do, it's not that hard. I've had experienced OmniTell pilots who know the matchup do it to me too many times.


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http://magic.wizards.com.clonezone.l...a_burn_changes

..... They brought back mana burn.

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Originally Posted by TimHarding

http://magic.wizards.com.clonezone.l...a_burn_changes

..... They brought back mana burn.

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Ehh, we are running top so we have a decent mana sink regardless.

EDIT: If it was to really happen. The link is not actually legit.

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Originally Posted by mykatdied

Ehh, we are running top so we have a decent mana sink regardless.

EDIT: If it was to really happen. The link is not actually legit.

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Confirmed fake, luckily for us.

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Originally Posted by TimHarding

http://magic.wizards.com.clonezone.l...a_burn_changes

..... They brought back mana burn.

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think of how often you tap a cloudpost for two or three to play an expedition map. But you want to leave a colored source open and/or want to activate map end of opponents turn. In a good amount of games you will take 1-3 life loss over this.

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Originally Posted by TimHarding

http://magic.wizards.com.clonezone.l...a_burn_changes

..... They brought back mana burn.

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DO NOT CLICK that link!

http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post...ve-seen-a-link

It's a scam page.

Quick question.

I am probably going to do at least 1 legacy side event at GP Toronto this weekend. I am just trying to figure out which deck to run, either a mono G post, or junk nic fic. So in a vacuum which deck do you pick as I do not live in Toronto, so the meta will be entirely alien to me.

Thanks

IMO Post is the better deck. If you are used to Nic Fit, play it. If not, play Post.

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Originally Posted by moseby

Quick question.

I am probably going to do at least 1 legacy side event at GP Toronto this weekend. I am just trying to figure out which deck to run, either a mono G post, or junk nic fic. So in a vacuum which deck do you pick as I do not live in Toronto, so the meta will be entirely alien to me.

Thanks

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I would honestly say that post is better positioned currently because of miracles In my area. Then again we have a lot of omnitell here as well And that match up isn't ideal to say the least. Nic fit at least has the hand disruption to help shut them down a bit.

You need to roll the dice and guess what you will see more of, combo or control... if it is combo I strongly suggest Nic Fit; if you are guessing control than go with Post.

I personally still choose post. I love me some nic fit, but I just can't bring myself to sleeve it up, even over pox. Post does have some game against combo decks and just right out beats fair decks most of the time.

Been rocking local events with a standstill version. Split a finals with omni (I lose the fun game we played), got 3rd, and 3 first place showings with this version or 3-4 cards different. (maindeck fluster vs sb) and the sideboard is currently 3-4 combo hate cards in flux.


// Lands
4 [SOM] Glimmerpost
1 [SOK] Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
1 [TSP] Vesuva
1 [LG] Karakas
1 [IA] Glacial Chasm
1 [WWK] Eye of Ugin
1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog
4 [FNM] Cloudpost
4 [R] Tropical Island
4 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
1 [AVR] Cavern of Souls
3 [ARE] Island (4)

// Creatures
1 [ROE] Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 [M11] Primeval Titan
1 [FUT] Venser, Shaper Savant
1 [FD] Trinket Mage

// Spells
3 [UL] Crop Rotation
2 [FRF] Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
3 [US] Show and Tell
3 [OD] Standstill
4 [AL] Force of Will
4 [MM] Brainstorm
4 [GP] Repeal
3 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
1 [AQ] Candelabra of Tawnos

// Sideboard
SB: 2 [DK] Maze of Ith
SB: 3 [B] Blue Elemental Blast
SB: 1 [LG] In the Eye of Chaos
SB: 1 [7E] Arcane Laboratory
SB: 1 [SOM] Platinum Emperion
SB: 2 [NE] Submerge
SB: 3 [JGC] Flusterstorm
SB: 2 [PLC] Seal of Primordium


Debatable slots are the fow for expedition mapx3 and extra venserx1. Also the sideboard lab/emprion are the big "if's" of the side.

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Originally Posted by Rock Lee

Been rocking local events with a standstill version. Split a finals with omni (I lose the fun game we played), got 3rd, and 3 first place showings with this version or 3-4 cards different. (maindeck fluster vs sb) and the sideboard is currently 3-4 combo hate cards in flux.


// Lands
4 [SOM] Glimmerpost
1 [SOK] Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
1 [TSP] Vesuva
1 [LG] Karakas
1 [IA] Glacial Chasm
1 [WWK] Eye of Ugin
1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog
4 [FNM] Cloudpost
4 [R] Tropical Island
4 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
1 [AVR] Cavern of Souls
3 [ARE] Island (4)

// Creatures
1 [ROE] Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 [M11] Primeval Titan
1 [FUT] Venser, Shaper Savant
1 [FD] Trinket Mage

// Spells
3 [UL] Crop Rotation
2 [FRF] Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
3 [US] Show and Tell
3 [OD] Standstill
4 [AL] Force of Will
4 [MM] Brainstorm
4 [GP] Repeal
3 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
1 [AQ] Candelabra of Tawnos

// Sideboard
SB: 2 [DK] Maze of Ith
SB: 3 [B] Blue Elemental Blast
SB: 1 [LG] In the Eye of Chaos
SB: 1 [7E] Arcane Laboratory
SB: 1 [SOM] Platinum Emperion
SB: 2 [NE] Submerge
SB: 3 [JGC] Flusterstorm
SB: 2 [PLC] Seal of Primordium


Debatable slots are the fow for expedition mapx3 and extra venserx1. Also the sideboard lab/emprion are the big "if's" of the side.

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Looks interesting... Can you say a few words about Standstill, please? First thought was like "Delver Turn 1, dead card" :-/

I've been running a vaguely similar list online except using Mystic Remora instead of Standstill. I like it because, without Expedition Map, there are a lot of times where we're not doing whole lot with our mana before turn 3 or 4.

Typically, I run 4 main and side them out when I'm not on the play. It's worked pretty well, since with Remora in play, if you're making land drops, you'll usually have at least 1 mana open to Crop Rotation or Swan Song and, if they want to counter or counter back, you'll get to draw a card.

If you can drop a Remora on turn 1, it typically plays out like a one-sided Standstill at best or a one-sided Howling Mine at worst.

I really like the In the Eye of Chaos and Arcane Laboratory in the sideboard, though. I'm going to have to try those out.

So why is expedition map bad/suboptimal all of a sudden? Is it just the fact that it can be really slow?

I'm intrigued and will have to try standstill. Turn one top, turn two standstill seems to be the bee's knees on the play. It doesn't seem that good if your opponent gets ahead on board though.

Also, what is the reasoning for playing submerge? What is giving you trouble that warrants inclusion of this card?

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Originally Posted by maCHOOga

what is the reasoning for playing submerge? What is giving you trouble that warrants inclusion of this card?

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Quick clocking green creatures or tasigur in a deck like bug would be the ice cream, the fact that it can be free seems like the whipped cream, and the fact that it can "fog" and "time walk" an attack from said large creature seems like a cherry. That is a delicious sundae that submerge has created in defense of the deck.

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Originally Posted by maCHOOga

So why is expedition map bad/suboptimal all of a sudden? Is it just the fact that it can be really slow?

I'm intrigued and will have to try standstill. Turn one top, turn two standstill seems to be the bee's knees on the play. It doesn't seem that good if your opponent gets ahead on board though.

Also, what is the reasoning for playing submerge? What is giving you trouble that warrants inclusion of this card?

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The not-so-hidden reason why standstill has been good in testing has been repeal. All the current decks atm are reliant on pyromancer, drs, or rarely delver, which gain advantage out of playing cantrips every turn, which standstill takes advantage of. Once they stop playing spells and try to ride out the standstill, they're playing standard and can easily be clocked.

Submerge is there because BUG and Infect can still be problematic, and are both decks that can kill you either through breaking standstills or by playing one threat and winning through it. So an eot submerge on said one-threat into standstill can force them into required playing into standstill.

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Originally Posted by Rock Lee

The not-so-hidden reason why standstill has been good in testing has been repeal. All the current decks atm are reliant on pyromancer, drs, or rarely delver, which gain advantage out of playing cantrips every turn, which standstill takes advantage of. Once they stop playing spells and try to ride out the standstill, they're playing standard and can easily be clocked.

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That sounds like opponents just not understanding how Standstill works.

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Originally Posted by iamajellydonut

That sounds like opponents just not understanding how Standstill works.

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Obvious troll is obvious.

None of what I indicated was bad player standstill interactions, which is not choosing "not care and break standstill" or "outlast and eot-break or make them break standstill," but rather going halfway between both. This is quite obvious, and has been for the entire history of competitive standstill play.

Wait, what? Standstill without Mishra's Factory or Wasteland?

I've been playing Legacy a long time and consider myself to have "seen it all", but this one needs a little bit more explaining. Especially the part about casting Standstill with no way to pressure the opponent while under said Standstill.

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Originally Posted by MGB

Wait, what? Standstill without Mishra's Factory or Wasteland?

I've been playing Legacy a long time and consider myself to have "seen it all", but this one needs a little bit more explaining. Especially the part about casting Standstill with no way to pressure the opponent while under said Standstill.

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Youre way off: Any turn where you hit a land drop without them progressing their board is a Time Walk, especially in post. This is perfectly in line with the goal of the deck: slow them down and bust through.

Standstill wait wait wait > Cavern > Titan through standstill and their hand

Standstill wait wait wait wait wait > Emrakul through standstill and their hand

I'd love for a player to stick delver and then not play any spells for upwards of 6 turns while I comfortably drop posts. You aren't competing with their full grip, you ignore it.

Now, I think maps would go well with standstill. Maybe a few more standstill synergies for good measure. Particularly sweepers. Sweet tech.