All this baneslayer talk, im going to have to switch my mb tusk to one and give it a go since nissa was so good.
I would nevevever go below 4 rhinos, I use 4 very often and I win all those games.
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All this baneslayer talk, im going to have to switch my mb tusk to one and give it a go since nissa was so good.
I would nevevever go below 4 rhinos, I use 4 very often and I win all those games.
Valid points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warden
Sounds familiar, the ongoing struggle to choose between junk and jund. But your reason is very much the same as mine. Path gives the reach we need now.
And you are def not the first to say Rhino is not the reason to play junk. But he is our Tarmogoyf.
Rhino might not be the reason to run Junk (which is correct, PtE should be the reason why) but that's still no reason not to run 4, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobmans
Edit: I still have to test my planeswalker plan, but at the moment I'm also pondering on switching my flex slots for DRS #3, an Ulvenwald Tracker, a Qasali Pridemage and an Acidic Slime. GSZ'able removal seems like a nice plan.
Path is great and im loving the 2 I play mb but I honestly think the reason to play junk over jund is the sheer number of options from white over red is borderline infinite. Karakas, vindicate, path, sigarda, rhino, teeg, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echelon
Rhino makes games winnable that weren't and closes games when you didn't have it locked up. He is the foot on your opponents throat. playing 3 seems wrong in an all too obvious way to me. Plenty of games I have top'd and saw gsz/rhino and felt like once I resolve this, I cant lose. Lands and rhino is a combo that wins very often.
PWs are great but I prefer them in the sideboard. too cute otherwise and your only truly want them in a few matchups. Garruk relentless is very good out of the side against slower non bolt decks. Albeit I play nissa mainboard, I don't consider her a pw, I think of her as a ramp spell that reads deal with me, m8.
2 drs has always felt like the right amount. Tracker seems both too cute and too fragile especially because we have enough removal to kill an entire vintage events creature base. Pridemage just isn't necessary. decay deals with all the problems and vindicate/deed clean up loose ends. Qasali superfluousmage. Slime is in the same line as the previous two. I never feel the need to gsz for 5 and not get tusk, sigarda or rhino. all 3 of those are better in 95% of situations.
So many times I have tried to make the list adorable and all that does is lose me win percentage. Stick to what wins and polish the sides so the rhino horns go in with little friction to your opponents innards.
I love it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
So now you are playing with nissa? How has she been to you so far? Is she really a goddess?
E: can we just put on the first page all these quotes?
She has only been on my stack twice. Once she received a fow to the dome and the second time she flipped to put a gsz in my hand that immediately turned into a rhino. She has been good but I wouldn't give her yah at title. At least not yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by rubblekill
You can quote me. I see it as a compliment.
2mans:
2-1 ant/empty
G1 empty for 14 t2 off my mll to 5 and do nothing. no deed in sight
g2/3 i land lock pieces and he conceded. free pp for me
Every day I burst out laughing at these quotes. How is this not on p.1 in the primer?Quote:
Originally Posted by rubblekill
@4Rhino: I played it and it's nice. It's more about space. This deck could easily 100 card goodstuff.dec....I HIGHLY recommend you try Baneslayer. I'm all about going 2 Baneslayer that's how dope she's been.
I hope you all we enjoying it. I'm pouring my heart out. HahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Warden
I will try cutting a tusk main for a baneslayer but on your advice alone. We need you warden, your our only hope.
Yeah, that Tracker is a bit of a gamble. I find the idea of GSZ'able creature removal (of sorts) very tempting. Unfortunately even I find GSZ -> Empath to Visara the Dreadful or Avatar of Woe to be a little bit over the top. Oh well, maybe we'll get it someday. A partially green Vindicate-on-a-stick with CMC 2 & toughness > 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
That might be a little deep. Albeit something like that exists. its 7 cmc RG from RTR block.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echelon
Shall I ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
Nothing seems too deep in this thread for a rhino's horn :rolleyes:
HAHA that's true. By all means, try visara and let us know how it goes. I hope shes good and we can play that "combo"Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralf
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I really fail to see why Baneslayer is so "hype" vs Dragonlord Dromoka; both are very similar...
1) Baneslayer is 5 CMC vs 6 CMC for Dromoka
2) Baneslayer requires WW
2) Dromoka is GSZable.
3) Dromoka is legendary (fears Karakas)
4) Both die to STP or Terminus (but only during oppo's turn for Dromoka)
5) Dromoka survives double bolt or 1 dismember
6) Dromoka can block any 6/6+ creature (save activated abilities to finish it)
7) Dromoka cannot block Baleful Strix & Grislebrand
8) Dromoka cannot be countered and opponent is forced to play at sorcery speed.
Do I miss something very relevant or what ?
Has anyone had any luck with the bug pod version of the deck? Been trying it on mtgo, seems quite powerful though not sure if blue or white would make a better tertiary color, as blue is super helpful against combo, but white allows for generally better pod and nightmare targets.
Karakas and 5 cmc vs 6 cmc are the selling points for me. I tried Dromoka and was karakas'd into oblivion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralf
My main issue with BSA is that lifelink is not really the best strategy in legacy, and we have plenty of means to gain life. Lifelink aside, Sigarda n2 or dromoka seem better options because they are green..right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralf
E: yes karakas is the reason I have not played dromoka anymore. Sigarda n2 seems still better though
I prefer tuskerino. He is super solid against all decks.Quote:
Originally Posted by rubblekill
He is probably better against miracles, while BSA shines against shard less..I will try the Angel in the sb for the grindy musQuote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
Well I guess if the karakas thing is really an issue. DLK can easily be sided out when facing D&T.
But as we play a karakas ourselves, I found out that DLK protected by Karakas is game breaker against any miracle list not playing a karakas.
Sigarda is still very good as well but she can be countered.
Anyway a resolved DLK is usually game vs tempo (grixis & RUG).
Well any resolved 4-5 drop is game against them..our horn-friends gain us 3-5 life respectively instantlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Ralf
And karakas is often played by miracles, which in no way is a rare mu these days
every miracles list that isn't budget plays karakas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralf
We already have a good matchup against tempo.
Sigarda and tusk are just better than DLD in nearly every case.
As for having baneslayer for the grindy matchups, a non green creature is just worse than a pw. Ajani/Elspeth/ etc is far and away better than baneslayer.
Relentless pulls a ton of weight in those matchups not to mention we are one of the best grind decks so why over board.
I did cut c judg from the sb for a thalia since I saw someone talking about it and figured it was worth a shot. like a 3 pseudo canonist.
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Sometimes (mostly) my head spins. Our unparalleled logic... We are traveling in circles... We are, the Twilight.
So the conclusion is that one Dragonlord Dromoka and one Thragtusk are on overall better then two Bananaslayer Angel.
No, for me is: 1 tusk main and 0 DLD main , this is for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobmans
In the testing slot ill try BSA only in the side because I'm having problems with shardless (am I a bad player? Maybe) and he Angel just flies over goyfs ftw
We were talking about 2 md BSA, while I will only test her in the sb, right beside the cutest new entry in the sb, giant solifuge. Don't judge me.
So does the Dragonlord.Quote:
Originally Posted by rubblekill
Shroud, haste, GSZ'able sure looks attractive.
He is only there to kill jtms in the miracles mu. He has done good for me so far. "Green sun for 4?" "Sure" - hasty spider kills jtms while opponent has stp in hand. Horngasm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobmans
Yes DLD flies against GB decks, but dies to karakas pretty hard. Karakas is a pretty common card online, probably because its worthless on modo
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Originally Posted by Bobmans
I play tusk and sigarda. no bananas or d-lords.
I would just play needle in the side. better in more matchups. vindicate cleans up nicely.Quote:
Originally Posted by rubblekill
Needles are the worst nonbo in that mu, where I always want to land a deed to be safe against anything non-jtms. I play vindicate already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
Unless I'm playing specifically a Thune version, there will never come a day where I don't have 2 Baneslayers in white versions. The card has never been anything other than fantastic for me. I understand that may not be everyone's experience, but I've probably won more games off of Baneslayer than any other card in white, dating all the way back to when we used to run Kokusho and Yosei.
Thrag has become less and less attractive as time has passed -- he's just not scaling well into the timeline, unfortunately. He's better than his competition against exactly Miracles, and falls short everywhere else IMO. Even against burn, I would rather have ObBaloth -- coming down a turn sooner and being an X/4 is a often worthwhile trade-off for one less point of life and a 3/3 on exit...at least in the current format.
edit: I should note that 2 Baneslayer is in addition to Sigarda, because I think that if there's one thing regarding 5-drops that we're all agreed upon, it's that Sigarda owns her slot.
Still i've found Thragtusk very strong. On demand 5 life attached to a 5/3 body is really strong. I have had SOO many games where Swagtusk just pulled out of the negative (Burn or DnT even). Also against Storm where it meant the opponent to have to go for Storm 13 while got a 4 turn clock next to Drs and discard. The only reason i am not plating tusk in white is because all additional lifegain we run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
If anyone even thinks about replacing Sigarda with anything... should see a doctor.
I just play against so much miracles online and I hate that deck so winning against it makes me giddy like a school girl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobmans
Sure, but have we also just considered 2 Sigarda? Legendary does suck, but ideally you push with one until they Terminus, and then you rinse and repeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricardio
Needle is great in that matchup, because you have no real way to deal with Jace. If you turn off Top and non-bo yours, recall you have Sylvan and Truths, and possibly Scrying to keep you going. Jace is a real threat here, since you have no direct interaction like Fires/Blast. Vindicate is the only thing, and it's not like they don't have counterspells.
-Matt
gsz is the other sigarda. I like diversity. Im an old wooden ship kind of guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdematt
Sorin, Lord of Innistrad is one of the best anti jace card Abzan has access to if you ask me.
Cool tech against Miracle.
As I said a page or two earlier: Don't look at her on paper. play with her then discuss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralf
@Thrag: I think I agree with Arianrhod. He's having trouble scaling. Against burn I'd rather have Finks or Baloth (on top of obvious Rhinos and BSA).
Rhino usually also is fine vs. Burn. It undoes a Bolt and stops the ground attack.
Burn isn't that hard of a MU though, so we shouldn't spend too much effort on that.
As far as Baneslayer goes: I wouldn't see why WW in its manacost would be a problem. I've hardcast Sigarda plenty of times. I am however of the opinion that we don't really need more 5-drops since Sigarda does an admirable job and hardly fails to close out a game.
You could always use that extra slot to speed up the deck a bit or run more Top/Sylvan Library type cards though.
Edit: Looking at Baneslayer objectively, I have to say it's an amazing card. All I need to find in order to run it is an easy and cheap way to tutor for it. Unfortunately that card would have to compete with GSZ, so this makes it rather difficult. Unless they print a new Fierce Empath that says "a creature card with power 4 or greater".
Edit 2: I could always switch out my flex slots for DRS #3 (also helps with the WW and ramping to 5 mana quicker) and 3 Baneslayer Angels.
It doesn't help us in the MUs where we need help though. Maybe this'll change in the future since it seems like a good fit vs. Eldrazi Stompy, but today is not that day yet. We're better off finding a way to shore up the anyStorm.dec & Miracles MU. Miracles might be tackled with Abrupt Decay and assorted planeswalkers, but that still leaves us with anyStorm.dec.
I'm curious about one thing, what are the bombs you all are playing in the sb, and for what particular mu do you need them?
The main deck is pretty much established for me, I am only varying cards in the side because I still haven't decided what are the best sb bombs for the mus in which I need them (miracles-shardless). I'm looking forward to seeing your selection.
Currently my sideboard looks as following:
3 Duress
3 Carpet of Flowers
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Golgari Charm
2 Pithing Needle
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Rest in Peace
1 Qasali Pridemage
No real bombs there.
2 Slaughter Games
2 Needle
3 Thoughtseize
2 Grip
2 Canonist
1 Golgari Charm
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Elspeth/Garruk/Sigarda #2
1 Teeg
Anyone else?
You, rubble?
Sometimes I run Garruk PH and Elspeth/Ob-Nixilis instead of Tsunamis if I'm running Tsunamis.
Also, Legacy Leagues finally. Fiiiinnnneeeee I'll buy in, the legacy scene where I'm at now is a small tourney once a month :rolleyes: