It does not. The card has an explicitly triggered ability, as it is "returned to hand."Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogan
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It does not. The card has an explicitly triggered ability, as it is "returned to hand."Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogan
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My sb is:
2 E-Tutor
2 Canonist
2 RiP
2 Cataclysm
2 Liege
2 R. Bomb
1 Cage
1 Needle
1 Relic
Has been working for me.
In which scenarios do you find Relic superior to RiP?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Froggy
The only ones I can think of is VS: Cabal Therapy (Dredge.dec) and taxing counters (Reanimator), and discard by Reanimator, which won't catch an on the play turn 1 Relic. Ah well nvm, I think I just answered my question...anyway - what other upsides can you think of?
On a slightly different note:
I think alongside 2 ETs rocking additional 4 slots for gy hate is overkill (especially these days). Imo you could easily get away with cutting one and make room for some creature hate, which indeed is almost inexistent in your sb.
Any feedback on this list for Scg Seattle tomorrow?
4 mom
4 Thalia
4 wisp
4 Revoker
4 sfm
2 mango
2 brimaz
2 crusader
4 vial
4 StP
1 jitte
1 batterskull
1 sofi
9 plains
4 waste
4 port
4 karakas
1 castle
1 cavern
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Looks a lot like my list, but I have 3 Serra Avenger in place of the Mangara's and one of the Revokers. I don't run a Castle (because I don't own one) and I only run 3 Karakas (because I own 3...LOL). I think it looks strong. With the 4 Karakas, Mangara can be in his old glory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbed Blightning
I have also been running 2 Brimaz and 2 Crusader. I just can't bring myself to drop the Crusader in my area. Too much black and green going on. I think it will be a good choice for SCG because of all the RUG Delver we've seen in recent MGT Top8 lists.
Good luck bro! Have fun, kick butt, and take names.
Thanks Batman!Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidHernandez
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Massive props to David for awesome finish and being one of the few players to play cataclysm correctly an blow people (miracles) out left and right !!!
- Elves player ;)
Thanks a lot spencer, I was just lucky enough to dodge you all day. Anyway if you guys want I can do a tournament report on my second place finish at the scg.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpencerS
Do it!Quote:
Originally Posted by BearsandSquires
i love you.Quote:
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Bears and squires have apparently figured out how to use a computer to post on an Internet forum.Quote:
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I think I found my new signature.Quote:
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That would be awesome. I'm still trying to figure out how 0 Mango and no answers to TNN placed 2nd. Also, why the Spellskite? Mom #5 that also covers your equipment? I actually like it a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by BearsandSquires
Because the flyer-heavy variant is better in the current metagame, even at handling TNN. Mangara is slow and also dies to -1/-1 effects.Quote:
Originally Posted by jvacar622
I don't play the deck, but Mangara Seems soooooo sllooooowwwwww
Still working on the tournament report, but to answer a few questions I felt mangara was going to be to slow, but almost ran one in the board for more slow match ups. Running the spellskite was mostly for the jund match up, as it actually won me my round 8 match by protecting my RIP from a decay. For TNN I technically have a ratchet bomb which kills it, but it is mostly all my flyers that help that match up and even a brimaz can attack into it. One round against uwr delver he had a tnn with a bskull on it for like 10 turns and lost the game. Anyway should have report up soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by jvacar622
Crushed side events a good part of the weekend at GP Montreal.
Here's my list
Maindeck
4 Mother Of Runes
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Flickerwisp
2 Mangara of Corondor
2 Spirit of the Labyrinth
2 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Brimaz aka Captain Kitty-Cat
2 Aven Mindcensor
2 Mirran Crusader (26 Creatures)
8 Plains
4 Rishadan Port
4 Wasteland
2 Horizon Canopy
3 Karakas
1 Cavern Of Souls (22 Lands)
4 Swords To Plowshares
2 Runed Halo
4 Aether Vial
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Batterskull (12 Spells)
Sideboard
2 Oblivion Ring
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Meekstone
1 Manriki Kusari
2 Spirit of the Labyrinth
3 Rest in Peace
2 E-Tutor
1 Sunlance
Runed Halo did some amazing work this weekend. Probably my MVP. Meekstone took a lot of people by surprise and was pretty damn good!
Got my hands on golf clubs style StP this weekend. Yeah....Im pimping the deck since I shelved Elves! for an indefinite period of time.
Im gonna stick with that list for a while I think.
Only if you don't have Aether Vial. Aether Vial on 3 plus Mangara plus Karakas is good times. Also, this deck ends up playing the control role more often than the beatdown and has a good late game against many decks, so being a little slow in some areas isn't that bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
I feel like D&T has an undeniable late-game most times. It just keeps on piling up until the opponent can literally do nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin
Strip mine.
With a stick.
That can be foiled.
MY DREAMS
ALL MY DREAMS
CAME TRUE!
Edit : Drunk at work.
Mangara iz da shiiiit
liking the addition of runed halo.. i am definately going to give it a spin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayradis
Runed Halo was amazing everytime I played it.
Shuts down tons of hard-to-deal-with-threats.
2 is a temptative numbers, but to see the face of a U/x/x player with a TNN on the board and resolve Halo naming TNN is hilarious
Thinking about going -1 RiP / +1 Kataki for the SB......
So I am going to sound like one of those guys but.... why aren't we playing peacekeeper in the sideboard?
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Haven't looked at that option yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbed Blightning
Simply.
I mean, we've been talking about playing bridge, runed halo, even Holy Light--but peacekeeper stops TNN and elves completely.
I mean, we can't attack either, but I figured with vial and wisp it'd still be decent
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That's an idea.
But even then, I simply don't buy it.
Test it and let me know!
If you play It though, you have no way to win unless you draw flickerwisps or you stp your own guy. TNN gives blue decks a lot of inevitability since we have no real way to deal with it. I feel like meekstone would be better. We have ways around that, namely every 3 power guy we use has vigilance, save Flickerwisp.
Now, if Peacekeeper were a legend, or there were a legend with Peacekeeper's ability then we'd have a stew cookin.
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Help me, Journey into Nyx, you're my only hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by jvacar622
I doubt it'd be too high a demand--look at the garbage WotC is greenlighting (Delver, TNN, DRS; I'm sure next set will only stupefy us even more).
What? You don't need to StP it, you let it die to it's trigger when the time is right.Quote:
Originally Posted by jvacar622
Is it worth running some copies of Honor of the Pure SB to dodge the all the -1/-1 hate? Or maybe just swapping into bigger butts (Serra Avenger, Brimaz, Jotun Grunt)?
Those bigger buts don't tax anything though. Except grunt. But if I want graveyard hate I'd rather have it in a more permanent form, namely Rest in Peace.
If you're really having a problem with stuff like Zealous Persecution, don't overcommit so much to the board so it doesn't blow you out as much
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It stops Elves, sure, but don't they have Decay in the side? I'd imagine they'd bring it in vs Hate-Permanent.dec (and I think I've seen it post side...) so even then it's not a hard lock. It DOES seem sweet vial-ing it in in response to Craterhoof triggers though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbed Blightning
VS TNN, yeah, it's good, but in my experience I'm barely even able to get a dude to last on the table against them; in UWR they have infinity removal, BUG has Charm (-1/-1)... It just seems like Danger Of Cool Things - albeit, semi-useful and tricky things. I still think the line of choice is trying to preempt their equipment. I've been thinking about Ronom Unicorn... (why isn't there a Manic Vandal in White?! I'm starting to think buddy with the R splash was on to something...)
Its real value is in a pure control deck where they are boarding out all their spot removal; even Miracles doesn't need the guy right now. BUT its good that we're keeping things on the radar :).
So, went 3-0 last night at our weekly Legacy night. (list is higher in the thread)
Lost a game to BUG Delver and 1 to Miracle since I couldn't draw lands.
Rd. 1 = 2-1 vs BUG Delver (SB Plan : -1 SFM,-1 BS,-2 Revoker/+2 RiP,+1 Sunlance,+1 SoFaI)
Rd. 2 = 2-1 vs Miracle (SB Plan : -4 StP,-1 Brimaz/+2 Ethersworn Canonist,+2 Spirit of the Labyrinth,+1 E-Tutor)
Rd. 3 = 2-0 vs Deathblade (SB Plan : -1 Batterskull,-2 Revoker/+1 Mankiri Kusari,+1 Meekstone,+1 SoFaI)
The list still requires tweaking, but Runed Halo was amazing all night again.
I wanna cut 1 of the RiP for a Stony Silence or Kataki in the SB.
Affinity is not a super hard match up, but improving it won't be bad.
Why would you ever cut Brimaz instead of Jitte in the Miracles matchup?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayradis
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I have to admit, I'm a sucker for the idea of Peacekeeper in conjunction with Mangara.
On another note, I've been struggling with figuring out what to side out in some MU's. For example, against Team America. RiP, Wilt-Leaf, and maybe Spellskite are coming in, but that leaves you with at least 4-5 cards coming out of the main-board. What would those be? Mindcensor? SoFaI? The list just seems so tight at times.
-4 Revoker, -1 Mangara/MindcensorQuote:
Originally Posted by Copenhagen
Hey guys,
does anyone have Paul Rietzl's decklist from SCG-LA? Ty.
I would hesitate to take out Revoker. Revoker shuts down Shaman if they remove RIP and shuts down the Planeswalkers which are an alternative win con. They are also extra bodies, which I would hesitate to take out. I could see you shaving them, but I wouldn't take out all 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbed Blightning
I would play +2 Wiltleaf Liege, +2 RIP, -1 Phyrexian Revoker, -2 Mangara, -1 flex slot (for some it is equipment, for some it is Oblivion Ring, for me it is Fiend Hunter, etc).
Mangara's function is utility, so I'm really trading 2 creatures (revoker + fiend hunter) for 2 creatures (liege). RIP basically removes Tarmogoyf and Deathrite Shaman, so Fiend Hunter's removal is unnecessary. Mangara is far too slow of an engine to work in this match up. Also, the Wastelands will be targetting your Karakas, so there really is no point in trying to set up this combo.
In practice Mangara is almost never too slow.Quote:
Originally Posted by jin
I side Mangara out, but not in this one. In fact, I figure people are siding Mangara out too often in general.
They are bound to have Golgari Charm. Mangara has more use here than most of the dudes the charm kills. He can nix the mana ahead of time, stranding it their hand. Karakas ties up their options with regards to timing, and so on.
Mangara activates turn 4 if you are fast. Do you wait for Karakas? Do you wait for Vial? He just needs too many pieces to work efficiently. Am I greedy with my Mangara? I'm not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn
Saving mana for Mangara also hurts your own strategy. You can't use your Wastelands so aggressively. I find this to be a problem as you should be the one trying to lock them out on lands and swarming the board. After all, they are the multicoloured deck. You can cut them off of a colour if you are allowed to use your Wastelands.