[Deck] Zoo

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Originally Posted by humppa

How often do you draw an extra card(s) with Sylvan Library? Could be Mirri's guilde better?

I never drew 2 extra cards, few times i drew one card, but only once or twice it was really useful. But very often I should be pleasured with the much much better Mirri's guile's casting cost... you can play it on your second turn without any fear from Daze OR you can cast it on second turn with second Wild Nacatl etc...

Did anybody test it?

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you use it for the dig ability, like and auto-top... I rarely 'draw' off of it (although I sometimes do) so if you are looking to mix it up, try top.

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Originally Posted by Gibsonmac

you use it for the dig ability, like and auto-top... I rarely 'draw' off of it (although I sometimes do) so if you are looking to mix it up, try top.

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I think this is wrong. Mirri's guilde is almost the same card as Sylvan Library, the differences are only:
1) Mirri's guilde cc=1, Sylvan Library cc=2
2) With Sylvan Library you can draw more than one card

So what make sence is just the point with CotV.

I'm surprised to hear you guys don't draw with library. I draw with library all the time. I'll draw myself down to about ten life without worrying too much. Then again, I play 4 helix and that's one o te cards that makes it easy o draw with library.

If you're not draawing with library, it not bad to use guile instead, but I don't see why you wouldn't draw with library.

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Originally Posted by hungryLIKEALION

I'm surprised to hear you guys don't draw with library. I draw with library all the time. I'll draw myself down to about ten life without worrying too much. Then again, I play 4 helix and that's one o te cards that makes it easy o draw with library.

If you're not draawing with library, it not bad to use guile instead, but I don't see why you wouldn't draw with library.

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I echo this, even though I'm playing 2 Helix. Card filtering is nice, but paying 8 life wins a lot of games, even just to dig to find that last card you need.

Went 1-5 with Zoo. 1-5!!! I realized my build was a little iffy and had a lot of bad matchups.

G1: UR Painters (2-0 win)

G2: Mono Black (0-2) - Wasteland and early hand disruption during the early parts of the game. He had Black Knight I had Thoctar and Pridemage in play. Mid game he had Volrath's Stronghold + Gatekeeper of Malakir combo. Second game he Extirpates the Paths and the Bolts and I die.

G3: FCG Gob (0-2) - He combos at T2 with ESG + two mana to cast Food Chain. He swings for 17 at that turn. I die the next turn. Second game he Chalices for 1 during his turn. Before that I mulled to 5 hoping for a Grip or a Qasali but found none. I lose again

G4 BR Gobs: My brothers BR Gobs. He Smothers and Bolts and Gempalms everything he sees and I lose. G2 he boarded 3 Perish. I lose again

G5 Stax: T1 Ghostly I was stalled big time after that he puts in 2 M of the Tabernacle I scoop. Second game T1 Trinisphere. Enough said


Horrible.

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Originally Posted by DCTopTeam

Went 1-5 with Zoo. 1-5!!! I realized my build was a little iffy and had a lot of bad matchups.

G1: UR Painters (2-0 win)

G2: Mono Black (0-2) - Wasteland and early hand disruption during the early parts of the game. He had Black Knight I had Thoctar and Pridemage in play. Mid game he had Volrath's Stronghold + Gatekeeper of Malakir combo. Second game he Extirpates the Paths and the Bolts and I die.

G3: FCG Gob (0-2) - He combos at T2 with ESG + two mana to cast Food Chain. He swings for 17 at that turn. I die the next turn. Second game he Chalices for 1 during his turn. Before that I mulled to 5 hoping for a Grip or a Qasali but found none. I lose again

G4 BR Gobs: My brothers BR Gobs. He Smothers and Bolts and Gempalms everything he sees and I lose. G2 he boarded 3 Perish. I lose again

G5 Stax: T1 Ghostly I was stalled big time after that he puts in 2 M of the Tabernacle I scoop. Second game T1 Trinisphere. Enough said


Horrible.

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The other match btw was mono red. I also lost that one, he finished me off with double Fireblast during the two games. :eek:

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Originally Posted by Gibsonmac

you rape them... that's about the short and skinny of it...

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I dont think so. Played with the Mono Black version. Pox is very very bad for us. They also have hand disruption. The one I played with also had G of Malakir.

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Originally Posted by DCTopTeam

I dont think so. Played with the Mono Black version. Pox is very very bad for us. They also have hand disruption. The one I played with also had G of Malakir.

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well judging from your 1-5 finish, I do not believe you know what you are talking about...

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Originally Posted by Gibsonmac

well judging from your 1-5 finish, I do not believe you know what you are talking about...

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Why really? Have you ever been matched up with that DDepths deck? If not then STFU because I have something tangible to back-up what im talking about.

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Originally Posted by hungryLIKEALION

I'm surprised to hear you guys don't draw with library. I draw with library all the time. I'll draw myself down to about ten life without worrying too much. Then again, I play 4 helix and that's one o te cards that makes it easy o draw with library.

If you're not draawing with library, it not bad to use guile instead, but I don't see why you wouldn't draw with library.

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It's the same here, the instances that I didn't draw cards was when I was below 10 life and was afraid it might turn out wrong. And even then here are instances that you might want to draw an extra card when on low life if it means you win. I play 3 Lightning Helix BTW because it's sometimes hard to have the right mana available.

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Originally Posted by Gibsonmac

well judging from your 1-5 finish, I do not believe you know what you are talking about...

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It weren't the most favourable match-ups though. But then again the reasons stated why he lost do not seem that sound.

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Originally Posted by humppa

I think this is wrong. Mirri's guilde is almost the same card as Sylvan Library, the differences are only:
1) Mirri's guilde cc=1, Sylvan Library cc=2
2) With Sylvan Library you can draw more than one card

So what make sence is just the point with CotV.

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Why? Point 2 makes just as much sense. You can't mean that the possiblility of drawing extra cards is not better than only rearranging the top 3 cards?

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Originally Posted by Nelis

Why? Point 2 makes just as much sense. You can't mean that the possiblility of drawing extra cards is not better than only rearranging the top 3 cards?

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It is a much better :-)

But i don't draw extra cards very often. Very often I see lands or PTEs... maybe just a shame or not too much experiences. I'll continue playing with Library. Thanks for your remarks!

If you see those cards its actually a reason to draw those extra cards because so you dig deeper next turn and you (hopefully) find the cards you do need then.

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Originally Posted by DCTopTeam

Why really? Have you ever been matched up with that DDepths deck? If not then STFU because I have something tangible to back-up what im talking about.

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Yes, I indeed have... auto-win pretty much, (although they can pull off the 'oops, I win' factor sometimes like dreadstill can, but that happens maybe once and you kill them the other 2 games)

I have extensive tourney experience (obv. testing experience) with and against every deck in the format (I have every legacy deck together and play them all regularly). So my tangible 'back-up' is my DCI rating... and the fact that I haven't 1-5 a tourney since I was 14

Unless you're opponent's playing burn or has a sizable beat on the board, I can't think of any reason why you wouldn't want to draw as many cards as possible as quickly as possible. I'll draw down to 4 or 5 life if necessary. The only reason I can think of to wait is if you've got fetches in play.

Library is so strong I'm thinking about throwing in a third one.

I've been running a second Jitte main, and I do say, so often a resolved Jitte wins the game. Anyone else try this as of late?

Also, I've recently made the switch from Thoctar to Reliquary. I find the need for one less red mana irrelevant, but damn, since I run 11 fetches, I have rarely cast her when she is less than 4/4. Top decking mid to late game she is at least a 6/6. I have personally put this argument to rest, but I'm sure it still will come down to metagame/ pilot preference.

Has anyone tested Mother of Runes? She is the bomb in so many ways but I understand how she herself is not a threat....but, protects your creature, unlimited chump blocking, plus letting goyf or knight swing for the kill when you give them pro green during a goyf showdown...thoughts? mother of runes?

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Originally Posted by JadeOberg

I've been running a second Jitte main, and I do say, so often a resolved Jitte wins the game. Anyone else try this as of late?

Also, I've recently made the switch from Thoctar to Reliquary. I find the need for one less red mana irrelevant, but damn, since I run 11 fetches, I have rarely cast her when she is less than 4/4. Top decking mid to late game she is at least a 6/6. I have personally put this argument to rest, but I'm sure it still will come down to metagame/ pilot preference.

Has anyone tested Mother of Runes? She is the bomb in so many ways but I understand how she herself is not a threat....but, protects your creature, unlimited chump blocking, plus letting goyf or knight swing for the kill when you give them pro green during a goyf showdown...thoughts? mother of runes?

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Have you tried Mothers? Did you take out Lavamancers or something else for them?

I am in initial testing, just started this week. Took out 3 chain lightning ( I still run 4 helix 4 bolt) and kird ape. I haven't tested extensively yet, just wondering if anyone else had, but I plan to test further

I suggested Mother about 10-20 pages back. She is a card that draws, counters and removal because once she is in place she is pretty difficult to get rid of. She also helps save a creature from Firesprout which seems to be in a lot of boards...I like her a lot. Lavamancer I have found very poor and have sided him out a lot, his slots were given to Mother.

Sooo, just got home after a super long day, but I am pleased to announce that I managed to land second place in a 51-person mox tournament today, receiving four revised underground seas for my trouble. I'll post the full tournament report either tomorrow or tuesday (I'm exhausted) but the short version is:

R1 Bye
R2 Eva Green (2-0)
R3 Eva Green (2-0)
R4 Rug Goblin/Fish oddity (ID, thinking we can just ID into top 8.)
R5 Stax (Realize we have to play it out, 2-0)
t8 My brother playing a white homebrew deck, he scoops me into top 4 since I have better matchups
t4 Burn/Sligh, (2-0)
t2 Landstill, (1-2) Only person I lost any games to all day.

Some of the games were actually pretty interesting, but I'm far too tired to go into them now. I'll post a full report soon.

For reference, my list was this;

// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)

// Lands
1 [SHM] Forest (1)
2 [FUT] Horizon Canopy
2 [ZEN] Arid Mesa
3 [ON] Wooded Foothills
4 [ON] Windswept Heath
1 [9E] Plains (1)
1 [CST] Mountain (2)
3 [B] Taiga
3 [A] Plateau
1 [B] Savannah

// Creatures
2 [FNM] Kird Ape
4 [ALA] Wild Nacatl
4 [FUT] Tarmogoyf
4 [ARB] Qasali Pridemage
3 [TO] Grim Lavamancer
2 [EVE] Figure of Destiny
2 [CFX] Knight of the Reliquary

// Spells
1 [ZEN] Vines of Vastwood
4 [R] Lightning Bolt
4 [CFX] Path to Exile
4 [REW] Lightning Helix
2 [LG] Chain Lightning
2 [LG] Sylvan Library
1 [BOK] Umezawa's Jitte

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [ALA] Relic of Progenitus
SB: 2 [ZEN] Ravenous Trap
SB: 2 [TSP] Krosan Grip
SB: 2 [R] Swords to Plowshares
SB: 2 [SC] Pyrostatic Pillar
SB: 2 [LRW] Gaddock Teeg
SB: 3 [FNM] Tormod's Crypt
SB: 1 [BOK] Umezawa's Jitte

Nice job on the finish! I'm a bit annoyed that I didn't pack any GY hate in my SB, and it cost me my 2 match losses. I knew you really over loaded and it was a good call for the meta, and I just noticed you didn't match up against much where it was needed. Wish I had your match-ups!