[Deck] 43 Lands

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Originally Posted by KntrellCL

I really like enlightened tutor toolbox... but entomb puts LFTL on GY turn 1 which is also very nice... it's a hard call. I also play tabernacle, but goblins still are a very hard fight for me. Can you give some advices/tips for those match ups? If you are undefeated... it's a whole diferent statement from mine, probably Im aproaching on a wrong way against those decks.

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The enlightened tutors do kinda break the goblins and maverick matchups, maverick has a hard time with cursed totem and goblins can't usually beat ensnaring bridge game 1. I guess my plan against them is mostly enlightened tutor based, which could explain why you're having trouble. Also, intuition is especially insane against goblins; you can either get loam tabernacle chasm/tolaria/whetever or bridge ruins loam. The other thing with Maverick is that if you're going to lose game 1 to ooze, just scoop. You have a better chance to win games 2 and 3 with bobs than you do to recover from ooze.

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Originally Posted by KntrellCL

I really like enlightened tutor toolbox... but entomb puts LFTL on GY turn 1 which is also very nice... it's a hard call. I also play tabernacle, but goblins still are a very hard fight for me. Can you give some advices/tips for those match ups? If you are undefeated... it's a whole diferent statement from mine, probably Im aproaching on a wrong way against those decks.

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The only way I see us having major problems with goblins is if they start with t1 lackey and we can't maze it. Though perhaps if you are having trouble with them, Darkblast seems legit. Especially with Entomb. If you are on the play you can EOT entomb, dredge back your darkblast and kill their lackey. Might not be as good as I see it, but it could be worth a slot. It's good vs Elves, Maverick, URburn etc aswell.

This is just a question about sideboard preferences, I have noticed that Mr. Kovacs took his lands list to 2 very well finishes in the past 6 months, and what kind of a meta calls for the ravens crime package, and are the trinispheres in the sideboard supposed to be for the omni tell matchup? (I also know that they do wonders in the any/tes/storm matchup)

I have been trying two O-rings in the sideboard for the omni tell matchup, but just have not put up positive results. Is trinisphere a better option for this slot?

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Originally Posted by Resist_Temptation

This is just a question about sideboard preferences, I have noticed that Mr. Kovacs took his lands list to 2 very well finishes in the past 6 months, and what kind of a meta calls for the ravens crime package, and are the trinispheres in the sideboard supposed to be for the omni tell matchup? (I also know that they do wonders in the any/tes/storm matchup)

I have been trying two O-rings in the sideboard for the omni tell matchup, but just have not put up positive results. Is trinisphere a better option for this slot?

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I consider it 4 good finishes, with 1st in Detroit, 8th in legacy Champs, and 2 back to back 20th places at Scg's. It's all personal preference. I don't like Thalia. I tried her, and it seems bad, since good player know you board into creatures. I don't like Enlightened Tutor either. It's all just my opinion. Cuthbertthecat has also done very well with those cards, and if he traveled as much as I did, he would probably have similar results. Trinisphere is a bomb card, and I love it against combo decks, and even in some other matches. Thalia doesn't win you the omniscience match. Trinisphere does. If you control their land base like you should, when they get the chance to drop the Ancient tomb, fetch, and Show n Tell, Trinisphere will shut them off of any chance they have of killing you. This is my opinion, and in no way am I saying that others are bad for their choices. I played Stax for 3 years.... Trinisphere is a tank.

http://www.starcitygames.com/events/...jacob_bau.html

what do you think of this guy's take? 4 gambles in the maindeck, and abrupt decay in the sideboard.

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Originally Posted by movingtonewao

http://www.starcitygames.com/events/...jacob_bau.html

what do you think of this guy's take? 4 gambles in the maindeck, and abrupt decay in the sideboard.

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Well Gamble has already been discussed many times..
About Decay, I have never failed a Krosan Grip on Counterbalance ever so it is definitely a bad replacement as it doesn't hit Leyline of the Void..

it hits blood moon though, but is that enough to warrant a spot?

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Originally Posted by movingtonewao

it hits blood moon though, but is that enough to warrant a spot?

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You need a mox & your basic forest to cast Decay under Blood Moon. You just need one of them to cast Grip. Grip doesn't hit magus, but who the hell plays magus anyway ? At least Blood Moon is in some SnT SB.
Does Grip/Decay warrant a spot in your SB ? That is another question. Personally, I will never go out without at least 2 Grips. Meta choice I guess..

I apologize for missing that Legacy Champs finish! I did not see that one, and I think I am going to give a non e-tutor build a shot at the next week legacy event, and see how it plays. There are a few omnitell players at my shop, and that matchup has been abysmal. Raven's crime seems pretty good against all the slow grindy decks in my meta.

Lands with Bill Comminos vs RUG Delver with Todd Anderson now live on the SCG Live Coverage. 48 minutes to go :)

Edit : Lands won g1 in 4 minutes with Exploration, Loam and Wasteland.
² Bill went 6-2 and finished 19th/204.

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Originally Posted by Resist_Temptation

I apologize for missing that Legacy Champs finish! I did not see that one, and I think I am going to give a non e-tutor build a shot at the next week legacy event, and see how it plays. There are a few omnitell players at my shop, and that matchup has been abysmal. Raven's crime seems pretty good against all the slow grindy decks in my meta.

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Trying to return to lands after a time...
Guys Nowadays, what do you think it's the best color combination and why...if you can be specially meticulous beetwen UGw and UGb.

UGb
UGw
UGr
UG

Thx!!!

GC.

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Originally Posted by GoldenCid

Trying to return to lands after a time...
Guys Nowadays, what do you think it's the best color combination and why...if you can be specially meticulous beetwen UGw and UGb.

UGb
UGw
UGr
UG

Thx!!!

GC.

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UGB is better than UBw, both of which are better than rug and ug, but I think 4 color is the best list.

any reasons to support this opinion? I started off with the E tutor build, then moved on to the intuition/E tutor hybrid after being convinced by your lists. Still not sure about the ravens crime builds as I've never really played with them.

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Originally Posted by movingtonewao

any reasons to support this opinion? I started off with the E tutor build, then moved on to the intuition/E tutor hybrid after being convinced by your lists. Still not sure about the ravens crime builds as I've never really played with them.

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I just like having a higher density of business rather than things like Raven's Crime that aren't always what you need. Enlightened Tutor and Intuition are both very versatile which is why I play both and fewer cards that fill one role only. I've played with the Crime lists and they're very good, but my preference favors more tutors. A lot of this deck is personal preference though, so just play with as many different lists as possible and see which one fits your playstyle the best.

I agree with cuthbert here - except i have not played enlightened tutor enough to validate that side of the argument, but threat density is more imporant. And since white gives us collonade too, id suggest adding that, so a total of 4 man-lands + wurm harvest.

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Originally Posted by Phelix

I agree with cuthbert here - except i have not played enlightened tutor enough to validate that side of the argument, but threat density is more imporant. And since white gives us collonade too, id suggest adding that, so a total of 4 man-lands + wurm harvest.

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Do you mean something like this?

http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/dec...1&iddeck=67497

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Originally Posted by GoldenCid

Do you mean something like this?

http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/dec...1&iddeck=67497

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Cut
1 Mindslaver
1 Smokestack

Add

+2 Enlightened tutor

List woule be much better. Personally I like Oblivion Stone maindeck when playing Enlightened tutor.
But from testing I can say that Smokestack and Mindslaver are often just overkill.

I'm the lands player from SCG:Indy. The version of the deck I played was very similar to Bobby Kovac's list, minus the second raven's crime and plus a main deck pithing needle. I ended up talking to him after I 4-0'd the legacy challenge with an E-tutor build I borrowed from a friend at SCG:Cincy. From what I can tell, my personal preference is the raven's crime version. E-tutor wasn't very exciting to me as it's naturally card disadvantage and having to rely on a spell to resolve in a deck without counterspells is not where I want to be.

My two loses were to back-to-back UW Miracle opponents. One opponent was Justin Adams who ended up making top 8 and all around was a nice guy to play with and the other was against the most annoying opponent I played all day who took advantage of having the seat facing the clock and playing ridiculously slow. In both matches, I ended up losing to Jace, which is something I need to learn how to answer better (I have only played the deck once before SCG:Cincy).

The version I played only had 2 Creeping Tar Pits for a win con but I think I would have liked at least one Mishra's Factory or even a Nephalia Drownyard as a different threat. Has anyone experimented with Drownyard yet and did it perform well?

@GoldenCid

Yes i like that build, but its also an almost identical list, including sideboard to the list i finished 16th with at GP Ghent :)

As someone else posted, id remove the mindslaver, but NOT the smokestack. Imo smokestack is not overkill but a fantastic card in the maindeck, ive been convinced of this for years. it solves jace and basic lands for us. its synergy with the rest of our deck is amazing - tabernacle, mazes. Its good vs aggro-control, its great vs control. love the card.

Hey guys !

I've been facing this BG Pox for the last two weeks. It uses the Lftl engine with liliana, some abrupt decay, bojuka bog, mishra's factories and a bunch of extirpate and surgicals in the board...

I seem to have a lot of trouble winning against other lftl deck. And when they resolve lili or even Garruk, it's seems unwinnable..

What's is the plan against these type of decks? Extirpate in the board ?

Thx

P.S. I added a Colonnade yesterday after the Felix's post and I'm really digging it. Cost a lot to make a dude, but the life goes down fast and I like the fact that the color producing/requirement is different than the tar pit.