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I know someone already pointed out Spell Pierce, but there hasen't been a real discussion for it.
Ok, it doesn't hit Goyf, but I think it could be really strong. Situational? Sure, but even Spell Snare and Daze are situational.
I think it could turn out to be really strong..
Thoughts?
I pointed out Spell Pierce but I really didn't get some time to test it.What i think is: Is it better in UGr or Ur build?Cutting spell snares and go for 4CB and 3 Spell Pierce could work?Spell Pierce is better for protecting and rushing nought but without a threat Spell Snare is better.Is the fact that Spell Pierce loses power in the late game so relevant(people can really aford to pay :2: is late game)?Quote:
Originally Posted by pippo84
If someone tested Spell Pierce please share the results without fear.
I like Spell pierce, but as you said spell snare counters goofy also CC2 Spells on the mid-lategame and as i got no slots free i dont know what to cut for it.
So, after Zendikar's release no changes for us?
I don't think so, except for the fetches, even though I won't play a Forest because I need Green just for Goyfs and Krosan Grips..
Yes its sad as not many changes are going around these days but i think the deck is more or less outsourced :> I actually only wait for the next tournament to try out which either i like more, UR or URG so there will only be Questions like 1 pithing needle or 1 relic of progenitus for the sideboard or just a 4th Lightning Bolt as i only got 1 slot left.Quote:
Originally Posted by pippo84
Agreed. Probably we have optimized our mainboard (I don't want to change a single slot!) and the only discussions left are sideboard (even here I don't want to change a card!), sideboarding and Mu strategies..
So what is your side now?Quote:
Originally Posted by pippo84
I listed my current list 1-2 pages before (its UR) the Sideboard is:
3 Lightning Bolt
3 Pyroblast
3 Firespout
1 x
3 Submerge
2 Blood Moon
My UGR side:
3 Krosan Grip
3 Reb
3 Lightning Bolt
3 Firespout
1 Pithing Needle
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Relic of Progenitus
I nearly played a same Shell, but did you try out 1 trygon predator+2 grip? i really feld pretty good with it. I think you also could try submerge instead of a relic/crypt and a needle as graveyard hate isn't usefull at all for most situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by pippo84
I never tried ! trygon Predator + 2 Krosan Grip, I'll give it a try.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tangle.Wire
I never liked submerge a lot and for Graveyard Hate, I just run 2 slots. If I see dredge I want to win and GY Hate is also useful against pox, survival etc.
Yeah true, but Submerge really is a Blast against random Goofies which are seen much more often than dredge at my opinion but i also found out hibernation is a brilliant way to handle ThreshThreshThreshThreshThresh,elves,stompy(rogue), random goofy again and also survival, garruk and when it really comes to paper logics its good against enchantress :tongue: but thats more brainstorming, i really played it against treash/countertop with greenparts, survival and elves all matches got bombed by hibernation all in all survival had problems resolving it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pippo84
For Trygon i really liked it as it stalles the game to our side as it stays in play but as every baseruption/countertop random deck can protect it we will be play kinda same. Trygon is also possible to hit multiple targets as krosan grip is always a last chance issue as we won't play it to handle annoying threats. I think everyone had situations where krosan grip was just to good to waste it. Also i always liked the predator 2x as it is so good on many ways i also had lucky games as it was just a 2/3 flyer :rolleyes:
I'd never want to go below 2 Crypt, since they're very nice to fetch with Trinket Mage versus Ichorid or Loam.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tangle.Wire
I do agree that 3 Grip might be overkill. I suggest testing out Ancient Grudge as well as Predator.
In my meta there is always an Ichorid or Loam and also TempoTrashTrash , so I use 3 graveyard slots which are 1 Tormod's and 2 Relic.
I think i'd play 2 crypt 1 relic as crypt is faster ^^ For Ancient grudge i think there are to many Enchantments on the play so i dont want to have only artifact destruction with it. Also the predator has some stronger "abilities" than the flashback of the grudge as it is a 2/3 swinger and could be pitched to force, also its a CC3 Spell so we can use it against Balance lock most times.
Although I do agree that enchantment hate is necessary, Ancient grudge is the nuts, it IS worth testing if you expect to see any Dragon Stompy, Geddon Stax, Affinity, etc. P.S. It also rocks in the mirror.
Edit:That took me like 6 minutes to type, wow I'm baked.
For artifact hate I just play 3 krosan Grip. Never had problems with it.
Btw if you expect a lot of Ichorid I would play 1 Crypt, 1 Relic and 1 of the new black trap because it's istant.
I really like the Blood Moon in the board, it gives you the edge against those 4color decks.
I'm building this deck now, and wondering if its possible to just go mono-blue (pre and post board) and use goodies like Back to basics and veldalken shackles in the sb instead of blood moon and firespout.
something like :
2 Explosives
2 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Phyrexian Dreadnought
3 Trinket Mage
Enchantments
3 Counterbalance
4 Standstill
Instants
4 Brainstorm
4 Daze
4 Force Of Will
3 Spell Snare
4 Stifle
2 Trickbind
Basic Lands
7 Island
Lands
2 Flooded Strand
4 Mishra's Factory
2 Polluted Delta
2 Misty Rainforest
4 Wasteland
Legendary Lands
1 Academy Ruins
Sideboard:
2 Relic Of Progenitus
3 Tormod's Crypt
3 Threads Of Disloyalty
3 Back to Basics
1 Gaea's Blessing
3 Veldalken Shackles
Cheers.
Explosives can only get to one... seems bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by slylie