5-1 after an on camera feature match against nivmagus.dec. needs more than 8 srifles to stop me!
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5-1 after an on camera feature match against nivmagus.dec. needs more than 8 srifles to stop me!
I missed that game. Need to watch the replay!Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
I'm rooting for you (like many people in the SCGLive chat, it seems) :)
Beat high tide 2-1. Srill x-1 overall
Lost to metalworker.
Beat gobs 2-0 for x-2. ill make one moee post onxe I know my final standing and then ill stop spamming lol
MUD decks with the nuts can be pretty tough to beat =/Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
Got 14th. Good for 100.
Congratulations! I saw the live stream. The way the commentators talk about nic fit is annoying and makes them sound like idiots, but you played well and it was fun to watch.
I look forward to reading your report later.
Was at work, what time does the feature match start?
i also got top 15th out of 40+ players yesterday playing my punishing Nic-Fit, my 2 loss was, Bant Enchantress that i could'nt find any of my Pernicious Deed and the second loss vs UW Miracles i got a bad draw in out 2 games.
Add up this was my match up :
Rd-1 Bye
Rd-2 UW Miracle - 0-2 Loss
Rd-3 RUG - 2-0
Rd-4 Esper Stoneblade - 2-0 - Win
Rd-5 MUD Forgemaster - 2-1 - Win
Rd-6 Bant Enchantress - 1-2 Loss
Rd-7 HiveMind - 2-0
The way the commentators talk about Nic Fit is soooo annoying. They act like the deck is terrible and every move is terrible and every opener is terrible. When Arianhod was playing I must have tweeted the commentators 3 separate times trying to explain some of your play paths. Anyway, congrats to both of you for very nice finishes in your tourneys. A question for you Arianhod, in the games you lost do you think you could have won them if you played a little better or were they simply unwinnable?
Its really obnoxious. At one point I remember them saying something about how the mono blue deck with no clock that he was playing was definitely the favored deck in the matchup. When in reality it was probably like more of bye than UR delver is since they are slower and dont have PoP. Kevin then 2-0'd him.Quote:
Originally Posted by nottz
Or like "herp derp its a standard deck cause hes playing thragtusk and huntmaster". It just so happens that wizards likes to print better creatures in every set, so yes, the creatures the deck uses for the beatdown plan happen to be legal in standard. So obviously also makes BUG delver (arguably THE legacy deck to beat) must be a standard deck, since it's playing DRS and delver.
At one point, to they raved about how not playing dryad arbor MUST be wrong, which made it really obvious they haven't done any testing with the deck whatsoever cause arbor is god awful.
Honestly this is why I try not to listen to the streams. I will not claim to know everything about the format, but a lot of the commentators seem to have not seen very many of the more fringe decks like Nic Fit and have no idea how they work.
What tournament is Arianrhod playing in?
That what nottz and TheArchitect say! And the commentators were so arrogant about it. One said "I talked to a few players and they claim that Dryad Arbor is not good in this ... I don't believe them" and then babbles on about how Arbor would be better than Tribe Elder. What an idiot.
Starcity Open.Quote:
Originally Posted by Qweerios
Congratulations Arianrhod on your great finish, looking forward to your report.
Well done Kabards, you keep on going strong with your list as well.
As far as comments are concerned, one day Nic Fit will rule and the ignorant will find out the hard way how good (and how much fun) it is :tongue:
Its more that the commentators don't recognize Legacy as a serious format than not recognize Nic Fit as a serious deck. Congrats on the finish!
How was the blitz hellion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
For a lot of the commentators thats true, but Ari Lax and Adam Prozac are serious, and skilled legacy players though. Im not 100% sure, but I THINK it is their preferred format even.Quote:
Originally Posted by crow_mw
I dont understand how so many people don't even know some of the basic interactions of nic fit, let alone respect the deck, it was a DTB for like 3 months for crying out loud.
Could someone please post a link to the Match featuring Kevin playing scapewish?
http://www.twitch.tv/scglive/b/354563695
Right around 8:35
Well played, Arianrhod!
I just simply muted the games that you were on since ari only knows like the standard t1 decks and storm, and prosak had no clue about evolution of nic fit decks at all.
Congrats Arianrhod on Top 16!
Congrats Arianrhod !! :)
Big Grats Kevin!
Hoping you do a report, can't wait to see how everything went down!
Congrats on the finish :) Let me know how good Volrath's Stronghold and Blitz Hellion have been for you.
Watching G2 vs. Nivmagus atm. This recovery is just plain cruel.
I chickened out in the main and wanted a better matchup against combo so I ran a FoW deck. End result: 3-0 vs combo and 0-5 vs the rest of the field. Whoops. So Sunday in the Legacy Redux I said "Screw it, I like playing Nic Fit more, so I am playing Nic Fit." And then proceeded to face 5 combo decks in 7 rounds. Sigh. Shoulda just stuck w/ Nic Fit and been done w/ it on Saturday.Quote:
Originally Posted by kabards
I know there was at least one deck sporting red in the main event as it lost to my friend with Show & Tell in their win & in round. I heard of another w/ red but didn't get a good enough description to determine if it was the same guy or not. I didn't see any other Nic Fit there. I did manage to draw a nice crowd on Sunday in a match against Miracles when I got him under a Yosei lock though. That was probably the highlight for me. The low light would be the two games against Belcher that I lost to an LED off the cantrip on Gitaxian Probe when in both cases if I get an untap I am going to win.
I ran Recycle in place of Arena for the first time yesterday. Only got it out once, but when I did, it was awesome. Easily going through 3-4 cards per turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
So after drowning my sorrows last night, I checked the SCG results and see a Nic Fit list at 14th! I was all excited and then I see the name to which all I could say was, "Why am I not surprised?" Nice job, glad you're on Nic Fits side :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
Back to Yosei for a moment: anyone ever thought about Yosei + Phantasmal Image (or any other clone for that matter). Seems sick. Unfortunately, the mana requirements also make it a non-starter. Could work w/ Cocopuffs though, since then you're not in a fourth color (and -10 to them and +10 to you seems rather significant).
When I have tried playing 4-colour lists the mana issues haven't really been a problem for me. Yosei seems pretty sick with image and I think it deserves some thought. I may brew up a list and see how it works. I'm not sure what the rest of the deck would be though? Any other cool interactions to get in a list with yosei and image?
by the way here's my updated list of Punishing Nic-Fit that i used last January 6, 2013.
Punishing Nic-Fit
Creatures : 13
4 Veteran Explorer
2 Scavenging Ooze
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Kitchen Finks
1 Thragtusk
1 Eternal Witness
1 Broodmate Dragon
1 Acidic Slime
Spells / Artifact / Enchantment / Planeswalker : 25
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Abrupt Decay
3 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Pernicious Deed
3 Punishing Fire
2 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Liliana of the Veil
Lands : 22
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Forest
2 Bayou
2 Swamp
2 Wooded Foothills
1 Mountain
1 Badlands
1 Taiga
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Phyrexian Tower
Sideboard :
3 Carpet of Flowers
2 Slaughter Games
2 Extirpate
2 Thoughtseize
2 Pyroblast
1 Red Elemental Blast
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Damnation
1 Nether Void <---- did'nt used this in any match :laugh:
I'm actually going to try out punishing version of nic fit as I just aquired my taiga and badlands.
How good is Broodmate Dragon?
Isn't Punishing Fire enough to kill Planeswalkers? Is pulse really needed?
Why not play Garruk Relentless main? I love that planeswalker rly. He's cheap, he puts out beasts, he kills stuff and can tutor for creatures and ofc good synergy with deed since he's a pw
Plus he annoys Miracles. Your deck needs more Garruk Relentless. If it plays 4, it still needs more.
Broodmate can win you fast during mid game if you already enough lands, Pulse brings down planeswalkers and other stuffs. Punishing Fire can also kill planeswalkers you just only need a Burnwillows in play before you can do that. About Relentless mainboard i've already done that im just experimenting my new build if this build will work, later i would try Garruk Primal Hunter if he's also good like Relentless :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by litenkatt
Primal Hunter is really nuts, it's just that GGG & costing 5 is a tad prohibitive. In straight GB, that's where Primal Hunter can really shine I'd say. Wildspeaker shouldn't be dismissed either - he ramps in a ramp deck and makes 3/3's, both of which are pretty sweet. If you have a decent number of creatures out, Wildspeaker can +1 then ultimate, which is pretty sweet to seal away games quicker.Quote:
Originally Posted by kabards
Ok, still aquiring stuff for this list. But here's where I am ATM -
Creatures - 19
4 Veteran Explorer
2 Sakura-Tribe Elder
2 Deathrite Shaman
2 Eternal Witness
2 Acadamy Rector
1 Fierce Empath
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Thragtusk
1 Primeval Titan
1 Sun Titan
1 Yosei, The Morning Star
1 Baneslayer Angel
Spells - 20
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Cabal Therapy
1 Diabolic Intent
3 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Vindicate
1 Maelstrom Pulse
3 Pernicious Deed
1 Null Profusion
1 Recurring Nightmare
Lands - 22
1 Volrath's Stronghold
2 Phyrexian Tower
3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Plains
1 Scrubland
4 Bayou
2 Llanowar Wastes
5 Fetchlands
Total = 61 cards
I think I'm gonna stay on the 61 cards, just a personal feel thing.
I don't know if I like the two Deathrite Shamans, in goldfishing they seem less than stellar. I'm considering swapping them for another Academy Rector and one more Maelstrom Pulse or Vindicate. Maybe that'll change when facing someone, input?
Should I find room for a couple Abrupt Decay instead (I could swap the Shaman for them)? Or just stick 'em in the SB?
I find myself quickly stripping the deck of lands between Veteran Explorers, Sakura-Tribe Elders and Primeval Titan. Hopefully that's a good thing, but mid-late game it seems like they turn into dead cards, aside from Prime-Time smashing face of course. I know I end up in these situations where I don't want to cast any more Veteran Explorers because they don't benefit me any more, or the only creature I have in the yard is Veteran Explorer and I have this psudo-dead Recurring Nightmare since the Veteran Explorer isn't helping me any more. Is this not really an issue, should I just be winning by then, thoughts?
Hi all! After Kevin did so well with ScapeWish I decided to brew my own version. It is almost a carbon copy of Kevin's with the differences coming in the manabase and the addition of the 61st card. I used TheArchitect's suggestion of putting fetchlands into the deck.
Main:
1 Eternal Witness
3 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Primeval Titan
2 Sakura-Tribe Elder
2 Thragtusk
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Wood Elves
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Pernicious Deed
4 Burning Wish
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Scapeshift
3 Forest
3 Mountain
2 Swamp
3 Badlands
2 Bayou
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Taiga
2 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
1 Phyrexian Tower
Sideboard: (Kevin's board, have been thinking about replacing thoughtseize with life from the loam)
Fetch's seem good so far in testing. Only question is would a Volrath's Stronghold be better than 4th fetchland? I know I am cutting low on mountains, but I still have 10 for Valakut. Just want to start some conversation on any innovations for the deck.
@Terribletim --
1. Even though you are in white I would still go Abrupt decay over Vindicate.
2. I take it you don't own Moat, what about humility.
3. Not sharing your sideboard is silly. It's 20% of your deck! Esp. since you are a Rector Deck, need some bullets in the board.
4. DRS has a place in Nic Fit, as a one of. We use 4 GSZ and have recursion in case he's deed'ed. I would not cut completely though, at the very least he or ooze should be in your sideboard.
I tried Shaman a bit splitting it w/ Tribe Elder. I didn't like it. It is unreliable as ramp and dies too easily to Deed making it not so great when you need something with reach to grind out games.Quote:
Originally Posted by TerribleTim68
My suggestion: -2 Shaman, -1 Vindicate, +1 Rector, +2 Abrupt Decay (assuming you like loads of spot removal).
I've had this problem myself. It's why Arianrhod recommends 2 Baneslayers and why I run Eladamri's Call (though I note you're running a 4th GSZ which provides a similar effect). This is also were Recycle really shined for me. Draw an Explorer you don't really want? So what, play it and draw something better.Quote:
Originally Posted by TerribleTim68
It definitely feels better to be getting value on both creatures you're sacrificing for a Nightmare loop, but Titans/Yosei/Witness give you lots of value on their own. No need to feel bad about only kicking ass with one half of the loop. Killing an Explorer is also a good way to get a shuffle for your tops even if you don't need / fail to find on the lands.
And not to start this fight again but I'll point it out: 60 cards = better odds of getting the draw you want.
I'm curious why. Vindicate hits Jace, the Mind Sculptor or the random troublesome land such as Maze of Ith, both of which I run into a fair amount.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oiolosse
I do not own Moat, and it's out of my reach. I can try to come up with a Humility, just don't have one at the moment. I think the reason I passed on it was because I needed my creatures to NOT be 1/1s. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oiolosse
Fair enough. Mostly because I haven't built one yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oiolosse
I was planning on a singleton Scavenging Ooze in the board. I only own the one and it was tough enough to aquire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oiolosse