[Deck] MonoU OmniTell

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Originally Posted by KobeBryan

Is there another way to win from the wish board. I am using a list similar to the OP's without Ants.

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Originally Posted by Koby

Show & Tell -> Omniscience
Cunning Wish -> Firemind's Foresight
FF -> Brainstorm, Twincast, Cunning Wish
Cunning Wish, Twincast Cunning Wish
CW #1 -> False Cure
CW #2 -> Beacon of Immortality

Cannot beat Leyline of Sanctity.

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thats a lot of steps.

That means u gotta run twincast in your MD.

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Originally Posted by KobeBryan

Call helps me get Emrukhal. Is there a way to get a creature into the library or hand from outside the game.

Sometimes I feel that having the laboratory as a second win con is necessary.

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research // development is the card you are looking for

also, noxious revival is the card that would have helped the person who had their lab maniac killed. it goes on top, you draw it with ponder, you brainstorm ftw GG

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Originally Posted by apple713

research // development is the card you are looking for

also, noxious revival is the card that would have helped the person who had their lab maniac killed. it goes on top, you draw it with ponder, you brainstorm ftw GG

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Thanks

My next question, in the primer, the OP says to board out Emrukal against RUG.

What is the win condition?

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Originally Posted by KobeBryan

Thanks

My next question, in the primer, the OP says to board out Emrukal against RUG.

What is the win condition?

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Release the ants. What did you think?

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Originally Posted by Tammit67

Release the ants. What did you think?

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That card is easy to blank though with lands and cantrips

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Originally Posted by KobeBryan

That card is easy to blank though with lands and cantrips

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Go on...

I'm enjoying the last 20 posts immensely. It's like a flood gate opened up somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Koby

I'm enjoying the last 20 posts immensely. It's like a flood gate opened up somewhere.

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oh give me a break...trying to learn from this deck.

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Originally Posted by KobeBryan

oh give me a break...trying to learn from this deck.

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Reading is tech. 98% of the strategy you're looking for is in the opening post. The remaining 2% is an understanding of Instants on the Stack.

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Originally Posted by Koby

Reading is tech. 98% of the strategy you're looking for is in the opening post. The remaining 2% is an understanding of Instants on the Stack.

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Koby vs Kobe?

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Originally Posted by Koby

Reading is tech. 98% of the strategy you're looking for is in the opening post. The remaining 2% is an understanding of Instants on the Stack.

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Its not like i'm asking about the show and tell omniscience.

Knowing how to deal with the sideboard choices is hard as hell.

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Originally Posted by KobeBryan

Its not like i'm asking about the show and tell omniscience.

Knowing how to deal with the sideboard choices is hard as hell.

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@Kobe- sorry wasnt clear in my writing. Earier in your affinty match when he had 3 creatures left after emmy swung in. You use your Wishes to bounce and remove the remaining creatures. I you had 3 Wishes you could use the 3rd one to grab Revival and use one of the 2 earlier bounce/removal spells again. Or ez way to Revival into lab man win on spot w cantrips. You had deck in hand= they really can't win.

Cantrips and Lands will not blank your Ants Clash if you put back a card- 10/12cc>anything in most Legacy decks- after you Enter Infinite. If you're not Entering then stack w Brainstorm or Revival if there is a target. FoW on top is often enough against most non-fow decks even.

Winning from the board needs Research for Lab Man, or Wish for Ants. Lab Man doesn't need Omni, but you could play it anyway since youre using Enter Infinite. Wish for Ants doesn't require Entering with some manipulation. Easily played into by keeping high CC buried on top with cantrips and sandbagging Brainstorms.

Emidln writes good stuff here http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...l=1#post718270

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Originally Posted by KobeBryan

That card is easy to blank though with lands and cantrips

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In what way? You have omni out. Cast inter the infinite, putting back another copy of enter the infinite. Cast ants. You win the clash, repeat. They dont have a 12 drop in their deck, right?

I'm not trying to patronize you, but you gotta at least read what Lejay posted and understand it :)

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Originally Posted by Tammit67

In what way? You have omni out. Cast inter the infinite, putting back another copy of enter the infinite. Cast ants. You win the clash, repeat. They dont have a 12 drop in their deck, right?

I'm not trying to patronize you, but you gotta at least read what Lejay posted and understand it :)

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OH DUH...i forgot your decked. i never really used Ant yet with the testing

Adan, first of all thanks for coming back to a subject oriented discussion after my very emotional post. :smile
Just 2 comments.

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Originally Posted by Adan

...Ancient Grudge is versatile but just handles Defense Grid. And it's poor at that as you have the same problem as the Goyf: you tap 2 lands during your own turn. This reduces the amount of 1-mana counters that you can cast during the following turn, making it hard to fend off Show and Tell.

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Well if you don't tap 2 for Ancient Grudge you might not be able to cast any counters in your opponents turn right? Defense Grid is the key card and the ability to handle it outside spell pierce/snare/force is very good. The boarding space in RUG is not an issue since you can potentially board out 6-7 removal and the 1-2 worst creatures.

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Originally Posted by Adan

What are you talking about? If you cast Show and Tell into Omniscience and the opponent drops an O-Ring to it, you Cunning Wish for FF in response and get CWish/Intuition, Trickbind & BS/Fluster with it. Maybe this is just an communication issue, but I fail to see which taxing effect you mean. As long as there is no Thorn of Amethyst/Thalia or whatever, a single Oblivion Ring does not save you.

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Yes, I did not play the FF version so far. Anyway what I meant is that additionally to those taxing effects (Thalia) o-ring might be the best disruption for those wheeny decks, but not so sure anymore: canonist can also be very annoying.

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Originally Posted by catmint

Adan, first of all thanks for coming back to a subject oriented discussion after my very emotional post. :smile
Just 2 comments.

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I never left. ;-P

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Well if you don't tap 2 for Ancient Grudge you might not be able to cast any counters in your opponents turn right? Defense Grid is the key card and the ability to handle it outside spell pierce/snare/force is very good. The boarding space in RUG is not an issue since you can potentially board out 6-7 removal and the 1-2 worst creatures.

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Yes, but I would never board in Ancient Grudge in the dark against OmniHalls as it's never guaranteed that Defense Grid is played in the 75 (and since I am currently doing fine with emidln's build which doesn't run Grid I also don't even think it's necessary).

If I were on CanThresh, I would try do prevent Defense Grid hitting the table with Force/Pierce/whatever instead of boarding in Grudges that can be dead. In a perfect world you can still Brainstorm-Fetch or Brainstorm-Thought Scour to convert it into real cards, but that's also not guaranteed.

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Yes, I did not play the FF version so far. Anyway what I meant is that additionally to those taxing effects (Thalia) o-ring might be the best disruption for those wheeny decks, but not so sure anymore: canonist can also be very annoying.

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I absolutely agree on that, that's basically why I did not understand your outburst on that in the first place, a few pages back I reported that I got slain by DnT because of taxing effects and everything (1st Turn Vial with Port, 2nd Turn Port my land, 3rd Turn Thalia and Karakas, Port my Land again, 4th Turn vial in Mangara to have the Karakas-fuckery going and exiling an Island every turn in addition to tapping one over and over again). It was PERFECT for him and I had not a chance.

I only has the impression that during the last pages a few people still believe that single cards can be gamebreaking against OmniHalls. That's not true. As I described, having the random 1of Detention Sphere when playing Miracles was pretty good against the UR OmniTell build. And it was also good against SneakShow if the pilot did not drop a Sneak Attack and spawns a big guy in resp to the CiP-trigger.

When I played UR OmniTell, I had people mulligan for O.Rings for example. Sometimes they needed a long time to get into the game, but for the whole period I was not able to win. This wouldn't work against OmniHalls.

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Originally Posted by Sedris

I'm also sure lejay didn't test against a good rug pilot, because even the guys I know which are playing a bit better (e.g. a guy nicknamed pokpok) are just not that good at legacy too. I don't want to sound in an arrogant wise, but yes maybe I do. I think i playtest more than they do or ever will do and just am a bit more experienced with the format so that I just immediately see if things are getting wrong ;) .

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Please let us know you recent results in 300+ players tournament please. Then we could evaluate better what brillant player you are and how precious your personnal feeling are.
I'm not telling that you are or not a good player, but I loled a lot when I read that because you're telling about players who actualy placed their deck in top 4 of the biggest European Legacy Event, 2 years in a row, respectively with Doomsday & Omni. So please, who are you ?
Because when you say "I playtest more than they do or ever will do and just am a bit more experienced with the format".
You could to not be agree with them, but if you're impliying the skill level, then you need at least results to make your entire argumentary a little bit more legit.

Went 2-1 in a really small local Legacy tournament this week, beating Shardless BUG and U/R Delver.

I lost to Enchantress that was playing maindeck Choke. (Is that common?) I countered it game 1, but he also had the Oblivion Ring for the Show and Tell I played. Game 2, he was clearly sandbagging more Oblivion Rings, so I had to dig for either Cunning Wish or Dream Halls and couldn't find either. Any tips on fighting Enchantress with this deck, Lejay?

Also, how do you play the mirror? I'm guessing Show and Tell is risky, so it's go for Dream Halls?

It seems like vs decks w/ annoying permanents to put in off S&T post board you are just on the Dream Halls plan. Then you also need to beat FOW & REB/Pyroblast from Miracles.
It could be a tough matchup if you don't draw permission or cunning wish into trickbind...