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I removed Matter Reshapers in the colorless version vs Miracles. With Displacer version I tend to leave them in (or at least 2) just to have another insurance against miracled Terminus when I have both TKS and Displacer on board. In response to Terminus miracle trigger (the spell is in opponent's hand) you can blink TKS and remove it before they can cast it. It's not just neat, actually comes up every now and then and affects my sequencing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Went to my LGS with the colorless dudes yesterday. Low number of players (16) and only 4 rounds with cut to T8.
R1 against Miracles. 10 minutes later it's 2-0 for me. G1 & 2 Chalice on 1 and T2 TKS are enough. 1-0
R2 Miracles again. G1 I keep a hand with Thorn, Chalice, TKS, Karakas, Caverns & City. He dazes Chalice T1, allows T2 Thorn and Forces T3 TKS. I only see lands and lose pretty quickly. G2 mull to 5 and I never get a 3th land while a Baneslayer Angel beats down. 1-1
R3 against a teammate with Dark Maverick. I know it's gonna be a battle, but hey, that's why we're here, no? G1 mull to 5 and again stuck on 2 lands. G2 is the opposite. I'm flooded beyond believe. If I recall correct, I drew 6 lands in a row. And I kept a hand with Eye, Eye, Tomb, Waste, Chalice, Mimic, Endless. Got beaten into oblivion ofcourse. After this game I'm a little on tilt due to the deck crapping out 4 games in a row. 1-2
R4 is announced and I check standings. I'm 10th and I see that the top 8 players can all draw into T8. I seek out my table and I'm paired against UR-Delver. G1 Chalice on 1 T1 is enough. G2 double thorn and wasteland are enough to put him well behind. 2-2
I pick up my things and put on my coat and the judge announces T8 with me at the 8th place... Apparently the 4th table wanted to play and I took the last spot because of this. A bit happy and the tilt is completely gone now. :)
Quarters is against the R2 miracle player. 10 minutes later the fight is over and I'm through to the semi's.
We have to wait for 80 minutes before the other quarter is finished (Enchantress against Miracles). Semi I'm playing against another friend of mine playing UW control. G1 he spellsnares a T1 Chalice, FoW T2 TKS, plow T3 Smasher, plow Mimic T5, SCM + plow T6 TKS and Jace is the final doom. G2 FoW T1 Chalice, counterspell T3 TKS and then BOOM, T3 Back to Basics. I never see another land and I quickly die to Clique beatings.
All in all a nice day. Next testing (in a competitive environment) will be with the white splash.
Please use Paragraphs... That's a pain to read.
Leave Displacer in vs Miracle. Not only a 3/3 is a solid beater in this matchup, it ensures that paired with TKS no Miracle should happen. Two Displacer as a Team can counter any Swords to Plowshares. Displacer can hold ground vs Mentor, shuts of stuff like Baneslayer Angel/Batterskull and can kill some Angels if you have enough Lands (mainly Temple) online. So yes Displacer can be a pain for Miracle and they also have to deal with Seer and Smasher :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by CovenantElite30
How has people's experience on MTGO been lately? I'm kinda getting frustated at how hostile the meta has become. While I occasionally into a Miracles deck which are easy prey, I keep getting paired against bad to super-bad match-ups, e.g. Food Chain in the previous league or 2x Lands in the latest league. My impression is that roughly 40-50% of the match-ups I'm getting right now are not in our favor or downright shit right - and that's not the spot you want to be in, especially since even favorable match-ups are no guarantee to win (like Infect on the play with a T2 kill with FoW back-up).
I do enjoy my deck and I think the build is something I would also try to acquire in Paper, but it doesn't feel like the deck is well-positioned until the hype has cooled down and people start to play more blue decks again instead of more troublesome decks.
My newest list.
4 eldrazi mimic
4 thought knot seer
4 reality smasher
4 displacer
3 endless one
2 phyrexian revoker
2 containment priest
1 endbringer
1 phyrexian metamorph
25
4 chalice of the void
3 lotus petal
1 trinisphere
1 jitte
1 warping wail
10
4 tomb
4 eldrazi temple
3 eye of ugin
2 city of traitors
1 crystal vien ( dont own a 3rd city to test but i actually don't mind this card)
3 cavern of souls
4 brushlands
1 ghost quarter
1 plains
1 waste
1 karakas
25
sb
3 r.i.p.
2 winter orb
2 thorn
1 phyrexian revoker
1 oblivion sower
1 warping wail
1 ratchet bomb
2 disenchant
1 trinisphere
1 batterskull
I don't play online but locally more lands and shardless decks are popping up due to more Eldrazi pilots. Miracles, infect and storm are all there too though, which are all good matchips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
You are on the white version, is lands still a bad match up with Karakas and Displacers? I'm still playing colorless and lands is downright awful. I can 50/50 shardless but I cant do anything game 1 against Lands and even games 2-3 aren't favorable. Feels I need more game here and more Pithing needles/Karakas perhaps. They combo so fast without disruption and wasteland doesn't do shit .... tough match up.
Karakas won't do jackshit against Lands since they'll likely have either Wasteland or Port for it. Sticking a Displacer is your best (and pretty much only) bet to stop Marit Lage. And even then, (multiple) Maze of Ith are a bitch to deal with. Aside from RiP, I don't think there are any cards that would turn the match-up around enough that aren't extremely narrow like Tsabo's Web.Quote:
Originally Posted by RhoxWarMonk
Displacer is the only card I think would bother me, but since your Land base is so loopy I am not going to claim to be that bothered. Assuming I am not flayling about under serious pressure, my plan will be to wipe you of mana, then make my Witch.
Cards you want in the match are things like Warping Wail (a well timed Loam counter or Gamble can win you the game), Displacer, Bridge (Attack with Mimics and blink to deal damage) and Pithing Needle. (Name Wasteland.) Things I care less about include Karakas, Thought-Knot Seer and to a point RIP since I expect it and plan to play around it. That's not saying it's not a pain, it just back it up with something.
Really though, Lands is a Combo Control deck. Get in Faster and you are likely to cause serious pain. Your deck is aggressive, push that over any half baked plan to bounce Lage. Because if your doing your job right, I should be wanting Maze's not Stage's.
Creatures (23)
3 Endless One
2 Containment Priest
4 Eldrazi Mimic
4 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Reality Smasher
2 Endbringer
Spells (12)
3 Mox Diamond
4 Chalice of the Void
1 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Warping Wail
1 Dismember
1 Toxic Deluge
Lands (25)
1 Karakas
1 Mishra's Factory
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 City of Traitors
3 Eye of Ugin
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Eldrazi Temple
Sideboard (15)
2 Pithing Needle
1 Containment Priest
2 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Rest in Peace
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Toxic Deluge
2 Trinisphere
1 Coercive Portal
1 Batterskull
Factory should be 2nd Karakas but I don't own it (yet). My loss in Top 8 to Death and Taxes was on a mull to 5 Game 1 vs triple Swords to Plowshare and then forgetting how I stomped the matchup the week previous due to Containment Priest, which i proceeded to incorrectly board out. Didnt help he turn 1d a Pithing Needle on my turn 1 Jitte : /
Deluge has been amazing in testing and boosts both the DnT and Delver matchups considerably. I'm like to cut the dismember for a 2nd maindeck Deluge to allow for a Disenchant board, to beat things such as Moon, E Bridge and Moat (though having said that I beat Moat in this tournament when i didnt drop a game in Swiss)
I'm wondering if I need the 4th Rest In Peace board at all given my Priests package and still having Wail access, but it does make Lands winnable whereas it isn't in many cases.
I feel like as crazy as it sounds, i may consider moving away from maindeck Chalice next. The deck is a known quanity so there will be less of an ANT presence imo going forward. If that's a factor, i could see myself going towards Trinisphere main instead (2-3 copies) and adding likely a batterskull and stoneforge to the main, if not another jitte as it has been bonkers when in play with Displacer for me.
Went undeafeated at a local GPT
40 man
Decklist:
Creatures (22)
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Eldrazi Mimic
4 Matter Reshaper
4 Reality Smasher
4 Endless One
2 Endbringer
Spells (14)
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Thorn of Amethyst
2 Dismember
2 Warping Wail
2 Umezawa’s Jitte
Lands (24)
2 Cavern of Souls
4 Eldrazi Temple
3 Eye of Ugin
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
2 Crystal Vein
3 Mishra’s Factory
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Sideboard (15)
4 Leyline of the Void
3 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Winter Orb
1 Ratchet Bomb
1 Conduit of Ruin
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
1 Spatial Contortion
1 Warping Wail
1 All is Dust
What decks did you face?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Brian Pepper
How many rounds?
Congrats on the finish! Anything you would change for next time? Did you miss the wastelands?
Thank you,Quote:
Originally Posted by RhoxWarMonk
Winter orb isnt good enough. I feel like regardless of how linear Tsabo's Web is, its strictly better than Winter orb in this deck.
I have not missed wastelands, but I am going to test them more as the gp approaches. I feel like this deck really wants to play on curve as much as possible, and while wasteland can be very good at some moments, I've found that the deck is just more explosive without wasteland, and actually slightly less weak to wasteland itself.
I do want to switch 1 crystal vein for a karakas, other than that I really like the deck and it performed very well.
Dnt
Burn
Goblins
Rug
Miracles
Brian- Agreed on Winter Orb, cut it several versions ago as it does hurt you (like Wasting decks when you dont want to be waste'd yourself)
Good job, did you miss Spirit Guides? No accel means turn 1 chalice is less likely. Also how many rounds and what were Top 8 matchups?
Winter Orb is my go-to sideboard card for Lands, and is also relevant against any other big-mana type decks. I would say if your meta is lands, miracles, and stuff like 12-post and MUD maybe Winter Orb is your card. If your meta is full of Lands and DnT I would just bite the bullet and run Tsabo's Web.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
I dont even think Winter orb is good against Miracles, they can play around it pretty easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Admiral_Arzar
I listed the match ups, it was 6 rounds, very heavy RUG/DNT field
and yeah I always like the guides, but decided that Jitte just needed to be main, and with 2 veins it somewhats makes up for some explosiveness of the deck .
I'm thinking of giving the white splash a spin, any suggestions to the list below?
I haven't tried the white splash yet, so this will be my first attempt (currently been focusing on the colorless version, with pretty good success).
Creatures
4 Eldrazi Displacer
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Eldrazi Mimic
4 Matter Reshaper
4 Reality Smasher
4 Endless One
1 World Breaker
Spells
4 Chalice of the Void
2 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Dismember
2 Warping Wail
2 Umezawa’s Jitte
Lands
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Eldrazi Temple
3 Eye of Ugin
4 Ancient Tomb
3 City of Traitors
4 Brushland
2 Karakas
Still not sure about my SB yet, I think my list might be much too greedy to splash any other white cards without lotus petals or mox diamonds but I honestly am not sure -- RiP would go a long way in shoring up some of the more problematic matchups. Also feels too creature heavy and may need more lock pieces or Dismembers main but I haven't found them to be useful in every matchup, so some number of them will be in the side as well.
As a side note, I am LOVING Jitte -- been very solid for me in the colorless version so far, hopefully can work well in this one as well with the high creature base (I run factories in the colorless version, to make sure I have enough threats for Jitte to really matter).
Ankh of Mishra > Wintet Orb
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This is an intriguing idea, so I'd really appreciate if you could give it a little more meat rather than just throwing out Ankh of Mishra as better than Orb like it's self-evident.Quote:
Originally Posted by TTX