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Here's some gas. Just mix with Elves, mana artifacts (Astrolabe anyone) or the such!
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Here's some gas. Just mix with Elves, mana artifacts (Astrolabe anyone) or the such!
T1: Mox Diamond, dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss
T2: Basalt Monolith, hard-cast Emrakul
Because last set :u::g: didn't get anything too busted, :laugh:
T1: Mox Diamond, KinnanQuote:
Originally Posted by BenBleiweiss
T2: Basalt Monolith, arbitrarily infinite Walking Ballista.
This thing will probably be busted with Moxes in Vintage.
And how. BUG decks were already pretty good there, as it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReAnimator
Imagine if DRS was still legal with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by H
This card is going to do some dumb shit. And it's GSZable.
The question is if it's any better than the Possibility Storm Adventure deck that already exists.Quote:
Originally Posted by morgan_coke
This also pays 3RR for an enchantment that lets other cards in your hand auto-tutor for a wincon. It's a very similar mechanic. That deck can squeeze in more "tutors" (Adventure creatures don't count as sorceries when revealing cards but do on the stack), whereas this deck needs to get creative in order to cast something specific like Emrakul.
Guess where DRS is still legal though and already seeing play? I am guessing this thing will only help there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
It's a good thing Elves doesn't run GSZ to grab a non-Elf creature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
The only "good news" is that they can't Symbiote this thing to protect it. But Elves wasn't too bad lately, I think at least 2 were in the top 8 of the last Challenge, already in UG for Oko, of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTW
It's legal in Vintage, obviously. I was talking about Legacy. Maybe I should have been more clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by H
This + Oko gives lots of incentive to go UG. I wonder how relevant the 7 mana ability going to be and how often it's going to dig up a Craterhoof.Quote:
Originally Posted by H
I know, I was just continuing the line of thought from ReAnimator.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Well, with Heritage Druid making 4, 7 doesn't seem too much really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
EDIT: Actually, I don't think this actually does much with Heritage, since it usually isn't tapping itself. Still, pretty decent card, I think.
It's a massive upgrade for Birchlore, going from half a mana/elf to one mana/elf. Llanowar Elves also gets doubled. Heritage Druid only gets 33% more mana/elf instead of 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by H
It should trigger 3 times every time you use Heritage Druid (it says "Whenever you tap a nonland permanent for mana" not "Whenever you tap a nonland permanent to activate its own mana ability"). But because "that permanent produced" no mana, would it produce 0 mana or 1 mana of no type (generic)?Quote:
Originally Posted by H
Right, but even Birchlore Rangers and Heritage Druid only make extra mana when they tap themselves, not when, say, you tap two Nettle Sentinels and a rando other elf (or two Nettles in the case of Birchlore), because of how Kinnan is worded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Hmm, is that how it would work? Genuinely confused now, honestly.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTW
106.12. To “tap [a permanent] for mana” is to activate a mana ability of that permanent that includes the {T} symbol in its activation cost.
From my understanding, Kinnan does not interact with Heritage nor Birchlore.
I don't think that works. You tap the other dudes to activate Heritage Druid's ability, they do not produce mana themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTW
It's not clear that "tap a permanent for mana" means to tap it for its own mana ability, at least from English grammar alone. You are tapping it to activate an ability that produces mana.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kage
But Glass House cleared it up. Rule 106.12 defines it explicitly for Magic.