I'd rather have more tactical options with BWish at varying CCs than SB removal cards I may never bring inQuote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Cook
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I'd rather have more tactical options with BWish at varying CCs than SB removal cards I may never bring inQuote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Cook
SB cards that get boarded in get more use than wish targets lets be honest. I'm pretty sure anyone who has ever played this deck knows this.
Personally I find Deathmark(s) pretty thin when you've already got bounce and Grape Shot, there's a lot of redundancy in that SB IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Cook
Is there anyway to metagame toward Countertop decks, while still keeping the consistency and ability to beat zoo? I realize empty the warrens is supposed to help this, but since many lists play explosives and/or firespout... its difficult.
you need that redundancy for med. mage, teeg, and cannonist... any of them resolved is gg without answersQuote:
Originally Posted by BreathWeapon
I just won a Japanese foil Recurring Insight. I'll be done with college in two weeks, which means I'll be playing again. I'll let you know what I think about the card then.
hello there!
i've read some of the pages in this thread.
and i think this is the appropriate thread
for me to post my deck.
after our big local legacy tournament here
in the Philippines last march 27, 2010, i suddenly
decided to play a combo deck for the next big local legacy
tournament. as i browsed the net searching for a
feasible deck for me to use, i learned that most of the
powerhouse combo decks were using the following:
LED
burning wish
infernal tutor
underground sea
fetches
ok. most of these cards that i saw were not present in my pool.
determined to have a combo deck, i searched my pool
for cards that can i use/ include in my deck. and here's what
i have:
sorceries
1 tendrills of agony
1 empty the warrens
4 rite of flame
3 duress
4 ponder
instants
1 ad nauseum
4 mystical tutor
4 brainstorm
1 reclaim
3 pact of negation
1 chain of vapor
4 dark ritual
4 cabal ritual
4 manamorphose
artifacts
4 chrome mox
4 lotus petal
1 chromatic sphere
2 Sensei divining top
lands
4 city of brass
4 gemstone mine
2 undiscovered paradise
and as for my SB here's my list
4 tormod's crpyt
1 slaughter pact
1 PTE
1 deathmark
1 disfigure
1 echoing truth
1 extirpate
1 silence
1 REB
1 hurkyl's recall
1 lightning bolt
1 duress
i know my list above is not that solid as
compared to the list in this link http://www.deckcheck.net/list.php?ty...&format=Legacy
i just want to ask for your thoughts/ suggestions about this build of mine.
^_^
i already played this build in three weekly legacy tournaments here.
the 1st tournament was in pasig were i finished 4-1.
the second was in los banos were i finished an awful 0-4.
and lastly, in cavite were i ended 2-2-1.
It looks pretty solid considering it's what you were able to scrounge up from what you have, but I think you should not run SDT. It hurts too much with City of Brass and depletes your Gemstone Mines. If you want an additional cantrip, run something like Serum Visions instead.
Also, are the 4 Tormod's Crypt in the SB entirely for the Reanimator match-up? Because you should be faster than all the other graveyard decks.
This deck more resembles Nausea than TES though, with Ad Nauseam thrown in instead of Helm of Awakenings and Meditates.
Also, Cabal Ritual in a deck without fetches seems poor. I'd almost suggest Seething Song (yeah, I know you don't get relevant mana from it) instead.
Instead of Forked Bolt, you could try Flame Slash, which is the other R Sorcery from Rise that deals 4 to a creature. I'm not sure what hatebears you're scared at that have that toughness, but it's something that can be kept in mind for hatebears in nongreen, nonwhite colors, or even a particularly dangerous beater.
@ Ozymandias
flame slash is a nice weapon against those creature who
has thoughness x/4 and below. but i'd rather kill (for an
example) teeg or cannonist in my opponent's end of turn
rather than in my 1st main phase.
@ mchainmail
thanks for the explanation about the fetch and cabal ritual harmony.
now i understand why they put fetches in this deck - for threshold
purposes.. hehehe im so noob when it comes to combo... :)
@ kicks
long time no hear/talk man! i bet you already heard of the various legacy
tournaments that are scheduled on may16 (LCA, molino cavite), on may22
(TFF 2nd event, BCI makati), and on june12 (side event GP manila, SMX MOA).
hope to see you play again with us. :)
regarding your comment, yup the tormods are there for the ichorid match-up and
reanimators. :)
[QUOTE=paeng4983;455564@ mchainmail
thanks for the explanation about the fetch and cabal ritual harmony.
now i understand why they put fetches in this deck - for threshold
purposes.. hehehe im so noob when it comes to combo... :)[/QUOTE]
And for their synergy with SDT and Brainstorm.
I played in the Vestal event yesterday with 129 people. I was in contention the last round and would've been the 7th or 8th seed if I had won. My opponent top decked a well time'd EE to win the game.
Maindeck Empty the Warrens over IGG was incredible all day long.
Recurring Insight was a dead sideboard slot.
Because it's too costy or because you didn't have the opportunity to cast it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Cook
Both?Quote:
Originally Posted by Piceli89
I had chances to cast it but I was a mana short or once I had enough mana my opponent didn't have enough cards in hand to make it worth while.
i played my build in a local legacy here,
and it was only then that i began to
understand the power of ETW.
instead of waiting for my mystical tutor
brainstorm and ponders for digging and
fetching AD, a 1st turn 6 8 10 gobs
off ETW's storm 3 4 5 spells
[petal, rite of flame, rite of flame, manamorphose,
ETW = 10 nasty goblin tokens! :) i love it!]
token can really be devastating.
during the month of april, i always go
for the AD-tendrills way - which i had a
difficulty in executing it because of the
counterwalls and disrupt effect here in
our meta.
i might use this deck again for this weekend's
major tournament here in the philippines.
by the way, here's my results
at yesterday's game
rd 1 zoo
i was able to build the lethal storm count needed but i
mis-use and mis calculate my mana sources. as a result i wasn't able to cast tendrills
rd 2 sui
was able to go off on both turn two. tendrills ftw
rd 3 elf combo
not just one but two thorns on his table - it really sucks big time.
rd 4 merfolks
wasn't able to go off because of his ton of permission spells.
rd 5 sui
1st turn ETW producing 6 and 8 gobs tokens gave me the win need
to end my day with a 2-3 win-loss card.
I made top four in my local tonight. I was trying out Eye of Nowhere in the sideboard. I actually lost a game because it wasn't Infernal Tutor. I'll be making the switch back.
Once again, the maindeck Warrens was amazing.
Why did you cut an action spell from the wishboard? Eye is supposed to replace something like: Spree, Cleanfall, or Deathmark. What does your wishboard look like? Are you running more than 7 targets?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Cook
SB:1 Diminishing Returns
SB:1 Ill-Gotten Gains
SB:1 Tendrils of Agony
SB:1 Empty the Warrens
SB:1 Grapeshot
SB:1 Krosan Grip
SB:1 Wipe Away
SB:2 Xantid Swarm
SB:1 Infernal Tutor
SB:1 Chain of Vapor
SB:1 Duress
SB:2 Shattering Spree
SB:1 Deathmark
Infernal was Eye. I was just trying something new, I saw it in someones list and thought I'd give it a go.
Did you move Xantid Swarm from the main deck?
Yes.
Sorry to double post but...
How do you guys feel about Sadistic Sacrament as a one of Burning Wish target? What is it generally used against? I'm considering it.
I have used Burning Wish to some decent success against Saito style builds primarily although I have had moderate success with it against Reanimator by ripping out Ioona's and another random threat. It can also be used to rip out a Progenitus or Emrakul (if the shelldock deck catches on)
I've been running a sad sac in my NLS build as there are a few people playing saito's list in my meta. It's pretty good.
Is someone still playing this deck, other than BC?
I might restart to play it, just because I'm getting bored from ANT's exessively linear way of plays,and the occasional slowness of Doomsday.
Bryant, have you tested the matchup against NO Bant? How did it go? I feel the only way to win fastly, Etw, can be eaten very easily by a single RWM. Also, post board Spell Pierces and Gaddock are serious threats.
Yes. It ended up being 60-40 their favor with a tough list. Counterbalance maindeck and Teeg sideboard was too much for me post board. I could always deal with one but the other one got me. Game one's were much more favorable. The Empty the Warrens really stole the show whenever I played it seeing as they had no outs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Piceli89
Right now I'm trying something new with my list, I'll let people know how it goes afterward. It's nothing revolutionary, just something I want to try.
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Liking the new build. However, I'm having some trouble versus Merfolk. Could you tell what is your sideboard plan?
+2 pyroblast, -2 mystical.
how are the two pyroblasts working for you bryant? it doesn't seem like you blasted too much from your tournament report except for the brainstorm.
another random question: Can someone please tell me how diminishing returns is good. It seems to screw me over more often then not. I think I've won 1 game out of 15 on the turn it resolves. Usually I just refill my opponent's hands. It does seem like an "oh shit button."
They've been fine. I guess you could replace thoughtseize of you wanted a third to board in. However, I'm fine with the two.
Bad beats dude. It's always been good for me. If you would like to cut it go ahead, but the card is very good. Better than recurring insight.
Diminishing Returns is significantly better if you haven't played your land for the turn and you have say 2 mana floating...it isn't very good if you're going all in tapped out into it.
Hai, I've been reading about T.E.S back in 2007, had a break from the game since than. Got hooked again few weeks ago, anyway sample hand:
On the play, G1:
Land, Infernal Tutor, Infernal Tutor, LED, Brainstorm, Dark Ritual, Ad Nauseam.
I'd keep it - Land go, Brainstorm EOT (Land, Land, Duress) put Ad Nauseam and Land on top. Draw Land, play Land, Ritual, Tutor showing LED, B floating, LED, LED, tap Land for B, Tutor (for Ad Nauseam), saccing LEDs in response. Too bad if I see a FoW.
I don't know what you're looking for here.Quote:
Originally Posted by redferne
I also think you played it wrong. If you're playing versus islands. I say keep the lands and draw through the brainstorm. Duress, Pass. On the endstep that you have 3 lands. Ritual, Nauseam. If they counter. Untap, and try to win with your 2x Infernals and Led.
hmm.. maybe I'm playing it aroung. I usually made my land drop already or I don't have mana floating.. but when would I choose to go diminishing returns over ad nauseum/empty the warren? I feel that I'd usually go ad nauseum if I have enough mana, and empty the warren if I don't have enough storm.. so I don't really feel that diminishing returns is necessary. Sometimes I don't even get a tutor; it'd be all safety or all mana.. or mystical tutor without cantrips. doesn't that get annoying?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Cook
What do we play now that Mystical Tutor is banned? Do we wait for the new Serum Visions?
U
Sorcery
Scry 2
Draw a card
You don't do anything, because you side out Mystical Tutor in all of your matchups anyway, amirite?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Cook
URITE!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggro_zombies
I have a couple options...
1.) Make them cantrips (Serum Visions, M11 better visions, Slight of Hand [I already have jap foils!]).
2.) Move the sideboard Infernal Tutor maindeck, add in the 4th Chant effect).
3.) Make them proection spells (Thoughtsieze/Chant).
4.) Cry and scream that the sky is falling.
Do you want to move the 4th tutor back? It seems like it has more value as a wish target for storm chains. I'd go with 1 or 3. And I'm definitely going with 4.
I've always been curious.
What's the reasoning behind not running doomsday?