[Deck] Burn

@antonius: I play magus in Modern burn but in Legacy Scroll is so much better since it owns the tempo decks and doesn't die to Lightning Bolt. Vortex is good and running it is never a bad call, I just don't want a bunch of 3 drops in the deck clogging up my hand.

Reckless Looting is interesting, I don't think it will be good or useful in anything but PiF combo and Dredge but ... its always an option.

I won a game through white Leyline ... u just board in dudes and burn their creatures. Its really not that bad with Top since it filters me into exactly what I need.

@JLK: My meta is anything and everything. In the last 3 tournaments I brought this to I didn't play against the same deck twice. Mainly consists of U/W Stoneforge BS and U/x/x Snapcaster shit but I have been dodging them lately ... lucky for them :) Just name the deck and it has been played there, seriously, a few weeks ago someone was playing The Abyss control. U have to be ready for tier 1-5 decks at all times.

Play Vortex if u feel u need it. U can also run PNeedle for Batterskull if its that bad. Make sure to play Shusher though, he is the nuts in that matchup.

Hi,

I top 4ed in a 23 man tourney yesterday, and I feel I have game against most deck, but again I lost in the semi to WUR stoneforge deck....

My meta has little combo (still lost to high tide) and hardly any tribal.

My deck list is pretty much made, to have a shot against the bloody batterskull and to some degree Jitte..... I went 4-1 and lost in the semi, here's my decklist:


4 Goblin Guide
4 Grim Lavamancer
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
4 Rift Bolt
4 Lava Spike
4 Fireblast
4 Price of Progress
2 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Sulfuric Vortex
2 Searing Blaze
2 Smash to Smithereens
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Bloodstained Mire
9 Mountain
1 Badland
SB: 4 Vexing Shusher
SB: 2 Volcanic Fallout
SB: 3 Ensnaring Bridge
SB: 2 Smash to Smithereens
SB: 2 Searing Blaze
SB: 2 Engineered explosives

Game 2 I sided in: shushers, bride, smash, EE and searing blaze - taking out: Goblins, lava spike, tops and 1 random card, and he still 2-0ed me :(

Any ideas on how to battle batterskull?

/Jacob - I have no idea how to link to cards, sorry 'bout that :)

EDIT: The deck thats beaten my twice now in the semi's:

4 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Snapcaster Mage
2 Swords to Plowshares
3 Daze
4 Stifle (mmm stifle)
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Force of Will
3 Spell Snare
4 Brainstorm
1 Batterskull
1 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Ponder
3 Flooded Strand
3 Scalding Tarn
4 Tundra
4 Volcanic Island
4 Wasteland
SB: 3 Surgical Extraction
SB: 2 Pyroblast
SB: 2 Swords to Plowshares
SB: 1 Disenchant
SB: 1 Red Elemental Blast
SB: 3 Spell Pierce
SB: 1 Sword of Feast and Famine
SB: 2 Grim Lavamancer

Any advice?

Either kill the SFM before they put it down or kill them before they can swing with it.

That looks like a great deck. Tempo Thresh manabase, Threat Dense, and SFM to trump. It's probably a great matchup for him. 6 Removals, Free counters, Spell Snare, and Threats you need to spend combo pieces on to kill. It looks like a 60% matchup in his favor to be honest, even with the MD Stifle. Also, him playing 14 lands is terrific against your Prices. Rough shit! Kill SFM on sight, but it's only inevitable at that point, imo.

That list doesn't seem like that bad of a matchup. Thoughtseize + Bridge + Shusher would really hurt them. Not to mention Batterskull is the only legitimate threat in the whole deck, everything else is easily handled. Just play around Daze, Stifles are largely worthless with 21 lands and the basics nullify Wastelands. Kill SFM and use Top to filter draws, they have a LOT of dead draws than you do. And if they don't have SS or FoW for PoP then they just lose. He also doesn't have and man-land targets for the Jitte, so that is a big plus.

The matchup, this is just a guess, based on my experience with Burn when MM was legal, it is roughly 55% in Burn's favor and it gets better the less creatures you run (IE Guide being totally dead a good percentage of the time it isnt turn 1-2. If you really are having a hard time play Leyline of Punishment. That should handle things nicely.

Hmmmmm…
I’l l just post this one here.
I played in a legacy tournament here wherein 20 plus people participated. And here are some of the details that I can recall:

The list that I run:
4 lightning bolt
4 chain of lightning
4 lava spike
1 rift bolt
4 price of progress
4 fireblast
2 sulfuric vortex
4 grim lavamancer
4 stepp lynx
4 goblin guide
4 keldoran marauders
13 R_fetches
2 plateau
6 mountains
SB
4 pyrostatic pillar
4 seering blaze
3 vexing susher
1 sulfuric vortex
3 shattering spree

RD1 natural rebirth combo
G1: He didn’t drew enough lands to do his stuff. I took advantage of such by firing as fast as I could.
G2: Still on el nino, no lands for him. I won.
1-0
RD2 bwg junk
G1: guide and stepp lynx did most of the damage before his tarmo and KOTR and maze of ith came to his aid. A few burn spells finished him off.
G2: It was like watching Reggie Miller during his prime years. My deck was pouring 3 point bombs before POP and fireblast finished him off again.
2-0
RD3 RUG
G1: Stifle, daze and that flipping 3/2 insect gave him the win.
G2: no lands came to his aid. I took advantage. Stepp lynx and keldoran with a few burn spells gave me the win.
G3: We're both down to 4. i have two POP on my hand and 4 mountains, while he had 4 cards at hand and 4 tapped duals and an untapped 4/5 tarmo on his table. I casted my 1st pop during end step. He FOWed it. Then my 2nd POP, FOWed again. Making his life down to two. Then on my turn, I drew chain. Sweet win vs. RUG
3-0
RD4 dredge
G1: He was not able to dredge any key card into his yard. Stepp lynx and guide did most of the damage before finishing him off with bolts and friends.
G2: He found himself in a similar situation where no key dredge pieces were in his yard after dredging for like 3 or 4 turns.
4-0
RD5 affinity
G1: Good thing that guide and stepp was able to dealt 8 damage to his life. POP and fireblast gave me the win.
G2: shattering spree shattered his dream of having a game 3. :-) I win
5-0

I just won a local Legacy tournament with the following list:

4 Goblin Guide
4 Grim Lavamancer
4 Keldon Marauders
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
4 Lava Spike
4 Rift Bolt
3 Searing Blaze
2 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Fireblast
4 Price of Progress
11 Mountain
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Arid Mesa

4 Sulfuric Vortex
4 Shattering Spree
4 Pyroblast
3 Pyrostatic Pillar

Faced Zoo, RUG Tempo, Elves and Burn. Went 4-0. MVP cards were Searing Blaze, Keldon Marauders and Goblin Guide. The rest of the deck was just good, these three cards were unbelievable all day.

The U/R Counterburn list that just won SCG Charlotte seems pretty fun, though I wonder how good it will be now that people know about it. Still, I'll probably run it at my local tournament scene for a week or two, simply because I love Fireblast and Price of Progress so much. Thoughts on the deck anyone?

I personally think that Counterburn deck is alright. Not a big fan, people have tried to play it in my meta for a while now and its just not good enough. Mad props to the guy for making it so far.

Good to see people putting up more results with Burn. As legacy is now it is certainly one of the better decks and has game against every tier 1 deck there is.

Yet again tonight I made another top 8 out of 30ish people playing this:

4x Ensnaring Bridge
4x Rift Bolt
4x Grim Lavamancer
4x Chain Lightning
3x Lava Spike
4x Magma Jet
4x Lightning Bolt
3x Price of Progress
3x Top
2x Flame Rift
2x Fireblast
2x Cursed Scroll
3x Wooded Foothills
3x Arid Mesa
3x Bloodstained Mire
3x Scalding Tarn
6x Mountains
2x Badlands
1x Taiga

SB
4x Thoughtseize
3x Vexing Shusher
3x Krosan Grip
2x Shattering Spree
2x Faerie Macabre
1x Tormod's Crypt

Round 1: Lands (2-0)
Super easy matchup, they have no clock and Glacial Chasm doesn't stop instants in their upkeep after it dies.

Round 2 - U/W Snapcaster Tempo (2-0)
Bridge owns this matchup, hard. And Thoughtseize is VERY unexpected.

Round 3 - ANT (1-2)
Stole a game after Thoughtseize caught him totally off guard, then I just died on turns 2 and 3.

Round 4 - U/B Tezzeret Stax (2-0)
Scroll just owned him and Shusher beats face, not a lot he can do, I'm just to fast and have to many answers.

Round 5 - ID

Round 6 - G/W Stoneblade (1-1) Then ID.
I ravaged him game 1 then he caught me offguard with COP: Red in game 2 ... I Topped for like 15 turns trying to find Scroll ... nothing. The whole top 8 are done, its 1:00 A.M. and people are ready to go, so we decide to just split and not make people wait. I should have boarded in the KGrips and I had my Flame Rifts pulled out and everything ... decided not to at the last second and it cost me but .... COP: Red ... wtf? Oh well, should have killed him next game but why risk it? Its late and I had faith I had it but why leave luck to chance when ur already a winner?

Overall this deck is rock solid and I really liked the KGrips. I felt very prepared for CB and even more confident in the U/W Stoneblade matchup, and it gives me more outs to Leyline of Sanctity. Not that the while Leyline is a serious problem, but it is worrysome to an extent. Not sure if 1x Taiga is enough, but between 12 fetchlands I was never without access to either black or green.

hello all.

well after a 6 month break from playing and reading magic i wanted to play something not too complicated at my local tourney.

this looked like it would fit the bill so....

i just played this pulp fiction deck at a tourney 2 weeks ago.

i won against a black blue delver deck.he said a resolved scroll kills every critter in his deck.i dont know exactly what he was playing.may have been his own build????

then i play a green black blue snapper deck with goyf, jace & company.i win gm 1 after burning jace and we go to time in game 2 because of bridge.

so at this point feeling pretty good at 2-0

on to game 3.

then i play enchantress. UGH! i lose 2 straight.solitary confinement game 1 then leyline of sanctity gm 2. never saw a k. grip !! stopped me cold in my tracks.

game 4.

time spiral with candelabra.

he goes off really early game 1 and game 2 i dont see any of my sideboard cards and he combos off and i finish with a 2-2 record.

this sideboard will not work for my meta but if its working for you keep using it.
if i play this deck again i will surely customize the board better suit my environment.

but playing this deck was a blast! i think with an improved board i think i would have finished better.

after playing it i feel it has a LOT of potential.

i will continue to playtest this deck and see what becomes of it.

if anyone else has played this or similar please post your result and findings.

thanks and merry christmas!

Good to see someone finally tried Burning Bridge! That was just bad luck in matchups there. Combo and Enchantress are pretty much the worst decks you can possibly play against. And the SB is all meta-dependent, I mainly play against tempo BS, Stoneblade, Reanimator, and Merfolk. Its basically just a sea of Batterskulls and Snapcasters, which is why that list really thrives. Enchantress is a nightmare, you can certainly win if you run Anarchy in the board, and combo will always be in their favor.

High Tide is probably the worst since their life total is irrelevant, AdN based combo is a little better since you can just keep throwing bolts at their face but, even then, they can still just win on turn 1-2. The only card I would advise playing for combo is Null Rod backed by the Thoughtseizes. Thoughtseize is SOOOO important out of the board, never get rid of that, but if you never encounter Batterskulls and random CB, green is largely unnecessary. Between Top, Flame Rift, creatures, and PoP the white Leyline is not really a BIG problem, but in Enchantress its huge, since they can usually set up Confinement lock by turn 4. But tweak the SB to what works, you just got some bad matchups.

Pulp_Fiction, I'm impressed with the list you put together and will be bringing Burning Bridge with me for my local Legacy event Saturday with the following change:

- Mountain
+ Taiga

Haven't figured out my board yet but I know:
4 Thoughtseize (which I am hopefully borrowing from a friend tomorrow)
3-4 Krosan Grip
3-4 Blood Moon
3-5 Other Cards

Ended up taking the following list and went 2-3-0. Twenty-five players.

4 Lightning Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
4 Grim Lavamancer
4 Lava Spike
2 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Fireblast
3 Rift Bolt
3 Searing Blaze
4 Ensnaring Bridge
3 Flame Rift
3 Magma Jet
3 Price of Progress

6 Mountain
2 Taiga
3 Bloodstained Mire
3 Arid Mesa
3 Scalding Tarn
3 Wooded Foothills

Sideboard
4 Surgical Extraction
2 Ancient Grudge
3 Krosan Grip
3 Blood Moon
3 Vexing Shusher

I didn't go double splash and I probably wouldn't next time. Made a few mistakes that cost games. Definitely wouldn't main deck Searing Blaze next time.

Round 1 was Zenith Bant piloted by Tammit67
Game 1 I got him to 1 life before he GSZ'd for Qasali Pridemate, destroyed my Bridge, then used Jace the Mindsculptor to bounce my Lavamancer clearing the way for a huge Knight of the Reliquary.
Game 2 was mine.
Game 3 I got screwed up by a Vendilion Clique (fucking hate that card). I started throwing damage at dudes instead of at face, cost me the game.

Round 2 was against Stoneblade
Bridge completely surprised him game 1.
Game 2 I drew 13 lands (started with 2 in hand) while he dug for eternity until he landed an O-Ring.
Game 3 he countered 2 Bridges and a Blood Moon before I finally landed a Bridge. I failed to board in Vexing Shusher...

Round 3 Stoneblade sequel
This time I boarded in Shusher instead of Blood Moon and he owned the 2nd game.

Round 4 Maverick with Punishing Fire
Game 1 he landed a Mom and eventually GSZ for Gaddock Teeg, stealing the win.
Game 2 I win. Blood Moon means all he could do was richochet a Chain Lightning back at me.
Game 3 he swings with a Bridge out and 3 cards in my hand (one was a Fireblast). I go to play Fireblast and he complains about already declaring attackers. I ask him to announce attacks for the rest of the game but the damage was done. He wisely searched for Umezawa's Jitte and equipped it to his Stoneforge Mystic while I had a Magma Jet in my hand I couldn't cast with only 1 land after the Fireblast.

Round 5 against Charbelcher
Game 1 I get to go first and get him to 1 life before he combos off...
Game 2 I got nothing... I went into this tournament knowing I'd be conceding the combo matches.

If I was doing it again I'd go -3 Searing Blaze, +1 Price of Progress, +1 Sensei's Divining Top, +1 Flame Rift
I'd keep the Blood Moon, Vexing Shusher, and Surgical Extractions in the board. I went into the tournament thinking Ensnaring Bridge would be great against the field and I was right. Like 60% was Bant and/or something with Stoneforge Mystic. I think the Charbelcher deck was the only combo and there were 2 other Burn decks that were probably closer to RDW. One top 8'd. I'd bring this again because Ensnaring Bridge and Blood Moon just completely shut down a large part of the field.

@Ace/Homebrew... I think we were at the same tourny today... AU in Bluebell? If you are who I think you are we talked for a bit between rounds a few times.

Before the next one at AU let me know if ya want to get together and do some play testing.

Quote of the day "even if I can't top 8 i'm going to stay and play. I'm not good enough go 0-2 drop"

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@Ace/Homebrew... I think we were at the same tourny today... AU in Bluebell? If you are who I think you are we talked for a bit between rounds a few times.

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Yeah, that tournament. Bridge seems a little awkward with all the people in the room preparing against artifacts, although only the GSZ people have the room main for pridemage. Stealing game ones is nice, but if you have shown that it might (?) be better to board it out so they board for something useless

Price just seemed to be the nut high looking back on yesterday. With a little more experience with the deck, there is no reason why you can't place with it next month.

@Ace: Not ideal matchups there, but .. black would really have helped. Were you not able to get Thoughtseize in time?

Searing Blaze is just bad. In Modern its pretty decent but in Legacy ... there are just better cards to run.

At this point I have cut green entirely and stuck a Tower of the Magistrate in the Taiga spot. If green works, play it but ... Thoughtseize is just sooo good games 2 and 3 I couldn't imagine not running it.

Blood Moon is interesting and a few times I really wanted to run it but, when you board in cards that need a dual to cast, if u don't have Top in play these cards will just stall in your hand since you are unable to cast them. Moon can certainly be back-breaking to certain decks, but be careful what u board in.

@Tammit: I think a lot of people underestimate the role of Bridge in the deck. You WANT them putting in hate. This is still a Burn deck that kills consistently by turns 4-6. Bridge just gives the deck a serious bomb that your opponents start trying to figure out how to deal with. And even when they deal with it ur drawing burn spells, especially w Top in play. It also turns off Jitte/Batterskull lifegain for a few turns to enable the deck to win, even when in top deck mode which is a time you would almost certainly lose. Now, the same argument can be made for Sulfuric Vortex but .. Bridge serves a dual role and is not a dead topdeck late game nor does it suck in multiples.

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Originally Posted by Tammit67

Yeah, that tournament. Bridge seems a little awkward with all the people in the room preparing against artifacts, although only the GSZ people have the room main for pridemage. Stealing game ones is nice, but if you have shown that it might (?) be better to board it out so they board for something useless

Price just seemed to be the nut high looking back on yesterday. With a little more experience with the deck, there is no reason why you can't place with it next month.

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I always disliked Ensnaring Bridge in Burn for of the following reasons:

• The casting cost is higher than what I would prefer.
• The card does not "burn" the opponent.
• You usually don't want to draw one early in the game, or even in multiples.
• It's a permanent, which allows your opponent to interact with a card that you've played (it used to be that one of the principles of Burn is to avoid allowing your opponent to interact with what you're doing).
• It helps against creatures (which we're normally able to address through various means), but generally does not help against combo (which is usually the glaring weakness of Burn).

I'm glad that some of you have had relative success with the card, though. It might be that the benefit of buying a few more turns to draw burn spells is effective enough in allowing you to finish-off the opponent.

Kind Regards,
jares

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Originally Posted by Pulp_Fiction

Searing Blaze is just bad. In Modern its pretty decent but in Legacy ... there are just better cards to run.

It also turns off Jitte/Batterskull lifegain for a few turns to enable the deck to win, even when in top deck mode which is a time you would almost certainly lose.

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I'd like to hear why you think Searing Blaze is bad in Legacy. With a list consisting of Lightning Bolts, Chain Lightnings, Rift Bolts, Lava Spikes, Fireblasts, Price of Progress, Flame Rift, Goblin Guides, and Grim Lavamancers, I'd also like to see a list of cards that you think would be better in the slot that Searing Blaze could take up.

I like Ensnaring Bridge as an answer to Jitte/Batterskull too, though I'm not sure if the card warrants being included in the MD.

Kind Regards,
jares

I have taken stock Burn and splashed Blue for Delver/Brainstorm. It's tough to get feedback on the this thread, as many are opposed to a splash and on the U/R Delver thread, as many are opposed to too much burn. I appreciate any feedback you may have on my version.

//Creatures
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Goblin Guide
4 Grim Lavamancer

//Burn
4 Chain Lightning
4 Fireblast
4 Lava Spike
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Rift Bolt
4 Price of Progress

//Splash
4 Brainstorm
1 Daze (Up in the air over this 60th slot... Snapcaster, Flame Rift, Wasteland even Phantasmal Bear)

//Mana (19)
12 Sac Lands
3 Mountain
4 Volcanic Island

//Sideboard
5 Pyroblast/REB
3 Searing Blaze
3 Smash to Smithereens
1 Spell Pierce
3 Submerge
Faerie Macabre
Mountain
Wasteland


I'm looking for a solid strategy against Ugr Thres. I like Submerge w/ REB backup in response to a fetch. Stifle/Wasteland is tough, thinking about an extra Mountain or even Wasteland retaliation.

Any thoughts?

Thanks

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@Tammit: I think a lot of people underestimate the role of Bridge in the deck. You WANT them putting in hate. This is still a Burn deck that kills consistently by turns 4-6. Bridge just gives the deck a serious bomb that your opponents start trying to figure out how to deal with. And even when they deal with it ur drawing burn spells, especially w Top in play. It also turns off Jitte/Batterskull lifegain for a few turns to enable the deck to win, even when in top deck mode which is a time you would almost certainly lose. Now, the same argument can be made for Sulfuric Vortex but .. Bridge serves a dual role and is not a dead topdeck late game nor does it suck in multiples.

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Bridge is absolutely insane against stone blade matchups, there is no doubt about that. But against maverick where they have a bunch of little guys and exalted to sneak under bridge early, jitte counters to reduce the power so exalted hits, and tutorable pridemages to knock it out when KotR comes down, seems awkward.

If instead of a 3 drop that doesn't deal damage, you had instead some more burn, you'd have to worry about the end game even less (considering burn really doesn't want an part of the end game anyway), and the redundancy of multiple bridges not helping, I don't see why there isn't some card available to do what it does, better.