[Deck] Ichorid

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Originally Posted by Muradin

Did you run Parcher's list or did you play Careful Study?
This is in general the main question I have regarding this deck. Unmask is really nice, but Careful study simply is a card that seems to be a perfect fit in this deck as it can act as a discard outlet and as a dredge enabler.
Unmask is very good at protecting your combo and the card I found myself boarding in most when running Careful Study.
Especially when looking at the Top 8 decklists in the deckcheck there are more lists with Careful Study in them but on the other hand many people play with Unmask as well. Is this a metagame decission? And what are other pros and cons fpr each of those two cards?

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I run a 3x version of careful study. I feel confortable with it in most situations. Is a 1 cmc blue drop, improves your opening hand and is a discard outlet. In addition, and just in my experience, it is a spell that control players doesn't choose to counter because it is not such powerful as first spell. This let you put a dredger in yard very often. As a pro dredge card it is not comparable with breakthrough and i didn't have many opportunities of playing it with a dredger in yard. However, although it's powerful as pro dredger i always prefer colisseum threshold ability or, even better, breakthroygh. After all it is a good card to see in your hand with a land in play / hand. In my experience i didn't find a clear situation where i would have wished i had unmask instead careful study, except against combo decks...and so kind of pox i guess.
I found unmask amazing as postside card against combo decks. Yesterday, i could say that unmask gave me the necesary time to win against aluren discarding, in fact, aluren. I think that combo is the good match up for unmask sideboarding cutting studies. Beside against control decks could be useful since you can search for counter / hate cards, but for me this isn't a straight rule.
So...i think that if you see too much combo in your zone you should to run some copies of unmask in the main deck otherwise i prefer studies as main cards. However, all is about taste!!

So overall, do you guys think the two version are comparable in power level still?

Or is the more explosive LED based version better than the slower but more consistent and versatile version that essentially runs 8 Putrid Imps?

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Originally Posted by Captain Hammer

So overall, do you guys think the two version are comparable in power level still?

Or is the more explosive LED based version better than the slower but more consistent and versatile version that essentially runs 8 Putrid Imps?

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In my oppinion the are comparable due to that both are dredge deck, but i think that LED version is better.

@all: what about your experience in mirror match with the "firestorm sideboard"??

3 Unmask
4 Pithing needle
4 Chain of vapor
4 Firestorm

I ran into yet another new situation where Witness was far better than Sage.

I had one land in play, and had just dredged for my draw after a fizzled Breakthrough turn one. Neither of my dredges (only one one the Breakthrough) had revealed a dredger though, and I had no more in the 'yard. I did get enough creatures to cast Dread Return though.

I could have Witnessed back a Breakthrough, and that would be equivalent to Sage in that case; milling 3-4 and passing the turn. I Witnessed back LED and played it, dropped the two dredgers in my hand, and won that turn.

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Originally Posted by Parcher

I ran into yet another new situation where Witness was far better than Sage.

I had one land in play, and had just dredged for my draw after a fizzled Breakthrough turn one. Neither of my dredges (only one one the Breakthrough) had revealed a dredger though, and I had no more in the 'yard. I did get enough creatures to cast Dread Return though.

I could have Witnessed back a Breakthrough, and that would be equivalent to Sage in that case; milling 3-4 and passing the turn. I Witnessed back LED and played it, dropped the two dredgers in my hand, and won that turn.

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Think that the land you had was a coliseum, then you dropped into grave a deep analysis, that's 5 cards to dredge.

I love this deck! Its awesome.

Has anyone tested Winds of Change?

It seems almost as busted as breakthrough if you can get a dredger in the yard first.

EX:
On the draw
Hand: 1 City of Brass 1 Winds of Change 1 Dredger 4 OTHERS

TURN 1: Draw disc dredger

TURN 2: Dredge, Play City of Brass, Cast Winds of Change with 5 cards in hand for up to six dredges????

EDIT: This card doesn't combo well with LED!!!

Winds of Change doesn't discard, only shuffles. That makes it far less useful in more situations.

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Originally Posted by cooldude254

Has anyone tested Winds of Change?
This card doesn't combo well with LED!!!

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That's just one weakness for that card, but indeed the less important.

Others are:

1- It's red. I know that we run firestorm in SB but the advantage that this cards offers compensates its color. Not to mention that firestorm is instant. Your idea is WoC in main deck which difficult playing it in comparisson with breakthrough which is blue.

2- WoC needs at least a dredger in yard (via imp, careful study or whatever) to be exploded and breakthough doesn't because its discard abililty (this is very important for this deck). Besides if you have and extra mana it allows you to choose a card for keeping in hand (this is important post side and even pre side).

3- WoC gives draw to the opponent which could be really harmful for us, and breakthrough doesn't.

Hi guys,

It's bin a while since my last post here... Holidays and such, :tongue:

A big Legacy tournament is coming up this weekend and I was thinking about playing Ichorid again... Allthough last time it didn't go too well for me. I think I played the same tournament where Mayk0l finished 9th.
(141 players in total)

Quick review:

Bad luck, alot!





More Detailed:

First match:
against some Counter-Balance-Top deck
1) Extremely boring! I won in turn 3
2) Extremely boring, keep topping, thinking, topping, drawing... .... I lost due to some bad luck in dredges. Allmost got him though with single Narco beatdown :tongue:
3) Extremely boring! won on Ichorid beatdown. Allthough fatal damage came from his Dark Conf.

Second match:
against some strange green creature deck with some elves/Natural Order/and ??
1) Bad draws, mulligan to 5 or 4... nothing special. Lost
2) Won turn 2
3) Lost to 2 crypts and 2 relics
He didn't played legacy for some time and didn't knew the whole Ichorid deck and what it supposed to do... He just boarded in some graveyard hate since he saw some stuff coming out the yard in game 2. Wasn't in my favor :wink:

Third match:
Don't recall much of it... Thought it was some blue-control-lock.
Lost 2-0

Fourth match:
Goblins
Lost big time, allthough I had good hands to start with but looked like all my dredgers where on the bottom of the deck...


After that match I dropped. Could've bin that there was another match after the third and I played 5 in total but I don't remember it all.
All I know is that I was so unlucky most of the times. Bad draws/dredges and looking to 2 crypts and 2 relics in one game.

I seriously thought about playing another deck for the upcoming event but this deck just keeps calling me! :cool:
Especially since a lot of people are not really counting on it anymore since I see a lot of Team America, MUC, Storm-Combo and such being played.

Some important notes, (just to make this whole post a bit useful in the end)

- E.Witness really worked for me!
- Unmask also worked very well, especially since most people didn't see it coming
- Still thinking about W.mare vs. Ray ... Ray looked more useful sometimes, due to the flashback. I played the W.mares.
- I missed out on some artifact removal in some way. Could have bin my sideboard or play-mistakes...






ps.
I played allmost the same list as Mayk0l
(bit different sideboard)

Just to let you guys know, I've stopped playing Ichorid. There is too much storm combo in my area and this deck just can't compete well enough for me to keep playing it. As long as Ad Nauseam is around and Ichorid doesn't find a way to slow it down, I won't be playing this. I've won a couple times by going off turn 2 and them having a crappy hand, and once or twice by Firestorming after they Ad Nauseam but for the most part it's a horrible matchup.

Signing off,

--DC

I went down to eleven lands and 10 dredgers to shoehorn two Studies to go with my 3 unmasks.

As for beating Ad Nauseum, one option that comes to mind is moving Chalice of the Void back into the board. Something like:

3 Pithing Needle
4 Chain of Vapor
3 Chalice of the Void
2 Wispmare/Ray of Revelation
3 Firestorm
Might be workable.

The other option is somehow finding space to run 4 MD Chalice. It is admittedly dissynergystic with LED, but you can sequence correctly and then gain enough time to slow them severely, and then finish the job with ichorid-therapy. The most likely things to remove are the Unmasks/Studies.

The last option is the Vintage tech of one-two Sadistic Hypnotist MD as a DR target. If you can DR him on t2, even one or two spare zombies will win you the game when you Mind Twist them.

Eh... so why is this not in the decks to beat forum?

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Originally Posted by memnarch

Eh... so why is this not in the decks to beat forum?

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The DtB section is based on statistics, explained here. Ichorid hasn't been putting up the necessary numbers.

However, this is not the place to talk about it. If you have a problem or want to discuss the DtB selection process, make a thread in the Community Board.

Hmnmn I love this deck. I saw a version running Akroma as a secondary win-con if the combo fails. IF this is viable, why not Progenitus?

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When Progenitus is put into a graveyard from anywhere, shuffle it into its owner's library.

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Unfortunately.

However, I [and other, more credible Ichorid players] have been using Eternal Witness to good effect. It's ability to return a Breakthough or disruption to destroy hate can get you out of many grave situations.

Whoops, missed that bit. Gah. Sorry about that.

Quick question, do you think this deck is viable without LeD?

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Originally Posted by knightinabox

Quick question, do you think this deck is viable without LeD?

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Yup.

Taking again the subjet of sideboard...how do you side against mirror with the "classical firestorm SB"?

Hi guys, where can I find a matchup list of this deck?

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Originally Posted by Corwin

Hi guys, where can I find a matchup list of this deck?

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what do you mean?? The list that says if one or other pairing is good or bad for this deck??