[Deck]BUx Reanimator

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Originally Posted by Dutch253

Maybe a bit of an odd question but here goes. With the prevalence of Karakas, Maze of Ith and Swords to Plowshares I'm going to start running 1 Archetype of Endurance and I'm considering running it main. If I do, do I reanimate Archetype first and best down until I can reanimate Griselbrand? Or reanimate Gris first and dig for an Archetype?


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depends on board state.

Chase top 8'd with arch-pig main (he's Stryfo here), and as @KobeBryan stated it will depend on the situation. Probably the most important question is that if Karakas/Maze is already on board, can you survive a Grisel-draw 7 - if yes, that's probably the optimal line.

Any comments on these RBx Reanimator lists running around on mtgo?

I've tried it out for a few games and it feels like turbo reanimator compared to the UBx versions. So far I have enjoyed it and stronghold gambit does an adorable interpretation of a show and tell against certain matchups.

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Originally Posted by ottomanottoman

Any comments on these RBx Reanimator lists running around on mtgo?

I've tried it out for a few games and it feels like turbo reanimator compared to the UBx versions. So far I have enjoyed it and stronghold gambit does an adorable interpretation of a show and tell against certain matchups.

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There are matchups where you would rather be playing one or the other. Personally, I have found the Miracles matchup to be better than 50% for the BR version. This is one of the draws to this version. I am starting a Griselbrand clan on MTGO, so hopefully the BR version solidifies into legitimate disgustingness instead of being dismissed as pathetic B.S.

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Originally Posted by DNSolver

There are matchups where you would rather be playing one or the other. Personally, I have found the Miracles matchup to be better than 50% for the BR version. This is one of the draws to this version. I am starting a Griselbrand clan on MTGO, so hopefully the BR version solidifies into legitimate disgustingness instead of being dismissed as pathetic B.S.

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Sorry for bugging you but do you happen to have an updated sideboard for you Burning Wish plan or are you still running the same thing

Rampart

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Originally Posted by Rampart

Sorry for bugging you but do you happen to have an updated sideboard for you Burning Wish plan or are you still running the same thing

Rampart

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I'm still running the same Burning Wish sideboard. I like having access to Reverent Silence outside of the wishboard when facing Miracles multiple times per league. In paper, there is more Death and Taxes/Maverick in general, so I could see running a Massacre over one of them and perhaps a Pulverize / Echoing Ruin over the other.

I have been experimenting a bit with Abrupt Decay sideboards though. I don't like being cold to Leyline so I would have something like:

4 Abrupt Decay (just about every matchup)
4 Reverent Silence (only vs. Leyline)
4 Stronghold Gambit (Lands, Storm - might not be worth the slot)
3 Faerie Macabre - destroys the Reanimator mirror or semi-mirror

Because I can't see wanting to bring in more than 4 cards at any given time due to diluting the deck plan. I typically cut a Chrome Mox, Unmask, Thoughtseize, and a reanimation spell.

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Originally Posted by DNSolver

I'm still running the same Burning Wish sideboard. I like having access to Reverent Silence outside of the wishboard when facing Miracles multiple times per league. In paper, there is more Death and Taxes/Maverick in general, so I could see running a Massacre over one of them and perhaps a Pulverize / Echoing Ruin over the other.

I have been experimenting a bit with Abrupt Decay sideboards though. I don't like being cold to Leyline so I would have something like:

4 Abrupt Decay (just about every matchup)
4 Reverent Silence (only vs. Leyline)
4 Stronghold Gambit (Lands, Storm - might not be worth the slot)
3 Faerie Macabre - destroys the Reanimator mirror or semi-mirror

Because I can't see wanting to bring in more than 4 cards at any given time due to diluting the deck plan. I typically cut a Chrome Mox, Unmask, Thoughtseize, and a reanimation spell.

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I was just curious, I couldn't find a super recent placing that wasn't in Tin-Fins's Style so its easier to ask. I have been playing the standard Abrupt/Gambit Sideboard for a while now and I don't think I have ever resolved the Gambit and cheated a monster in, I either just gets counter, resolves but fails or Rots in my hand as I reanimate a monster. I have had a so/so experience with Abrupt Decay as its never great but never really bad. The one thing I can say is I hate loosing to Leyline so I was looking at the burning wish and Reverent Silence seems awesome at answering that.

Regardless, Thank you

Rampart

This might be related to the fact that a while back there was an article written in ChannelFireball about the BR version.

In France the deck sees more and more play (known as DindonRea).

Playing it myself, I must say it is a blast to play.

Now, if you are the kind to use and abuse of Brainstorm, clearly the deck is not for you.
However for all other consideration, it is faster than the classic UB version.

Chancellor of the Annex is one of the corner stone of the deck to bypass any potential counters or Surgical Extraction you may have to face (and is an awesome threat to reanimate vs other combo decks).

I've moved a bit away from Chancellor recently when experimenting with my TinFins builds.

I really like Wish because when you sideboard out 1 Unmask, 1 Thoughtseize, 1 Reanimate, and 1 Exhume for it, your sideboard cards can still be game-ending threats by finding Reanimate / Exhume. Decay can never Reanimate a Griselbrand for three mana when you need a reanimation spell.

The problem with other sideboard plans is that they involve another color (splash for Show and Tell) or are more mana-intensive (Sneak Attack) or require a ton of sideboard slots (4 LED 4 Wish for Empty in the sideboard, I've tried it a bit).

http://mythicspoiler.com/emn/cards/c...ebrutality.jpg

Spoiled card looks like a contender.

Kill their DRS, take their counterspell and pitch a fatty for :1::b:?

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Originally Posted by PirateKing

Spoiled card looks like a contender.
Kill their DRS, take their counterspell and pitch a fatty for :1::b:?

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So the issue with cards like this is when the cost (discard) is payed. DRS would still get priority to eat the discard before dying, same thing with a card like Firestorm. Pretty decent card though.

Beyond that, still exposes you to Surgical Extraction when discarding as part of the cost. Looks like a good Burning Wish target to me, though.

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Originally Posted by Fox

So the issue with cards like this is when the cost (discard) is payed. DRS would still get priority to eat the discard before dying, same thing with a card like Firestorm. Pretty decent card though.

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Doesn't need to be all Magical Christmasland to be quality though. Duress and Darkblast/Disfigure get played in the sideboard often, the question is are these effects worth twice the mana at sorcery speed?
Even as a Duress plus bin a Fatty to do a life drain does double duty, even if they counter the card we still pay the cost, and if they don't we take the counter; all while having an uncounterable discard effect.
Then worst case it's 1-for-1 against DRS and others. It's close to a more on color Izzet Charm than anything else.

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Originally Posted by Rocco111

This might be related to the fact that a while back there was an article written in ChannelFireball about the BR version.

In France the deck sees more and more play (known as DindonRea).

Playing it myself, I must say it is a blast to play.

Now, if you are the kind to use and abuse of Brainstorm, clearly the deck is not for you.
However for all other consideration, it is faster than the classic UB version.

Chancellor of the Annex is one of the corner stone of the deck to bypass any potential counters or Surgical Extraction you may have to face (and is an awesome threat to reanimate vs other combo decks).

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Do you dont miss the cards like FoW or Daze to react with the T1 hate or to get the counter protection for the fatty? How is the Chancellor a counter for Surgical? Surgical is quite annoying. Do you play B/R Reanimator online or paper?


Collective Brutality semms interesting enough to test it. :)
I am still disappointed that they made Brisela like that. I want to reanimate her. :cry:
Still hoping for a good new fatty :cool:

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Originally Posted by PirateKing

Doesn't need to be all Magical Christmasland to be quality though. Duress and Darkblast/Disfigure get played in the sideboard often, the question is are these effects worth twice the mana at sorcery speed?
Even as a Duress plus bin a Fatty to do a life drain does double duty, even if they counter the card we still pay the cost, and if they don't we take the counter; all while having an uncounterable discard effect.
Then worst case it's 1-for-1 against DRS and others. It's close to a more on color Izzet Charm than anything else.

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It's a card with a lot of upside, but substantial risk. Sure with Lotus Petal you've got that chance to turn 1 this, and you probably just win by turn 2...but without such a quick start DRS has windows of effectiveness (especially due to sorcery speed), it's hard to cast through a Thalia, and you can very quickly find yourself in a situation of: discard fattie, look at their hand & see a Counterbalance or RiP, and then lose. The card is fine* and it offers a different way to attack the format, but you're also signing up for its inherent weaknesses.
*when I say a card is pretty decent or fine, it's a complement - tone is hard to convey in text.

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Originally Posted by Deckerator

Do you dont miss the cards like FoW or Daze to react with the T1 hate or to get the counter protection for the fatty? How is the Chancellor a counter for Surgical? Surgical is quite annoying. Do you play B/R Reanimator online or paper?


Collective Brutality semms interesting enough to test it. :)
I am still disappointed that they made Brisela like that. I want to reanimate her. :cry:
Still hoping for a good new fatty :cool:

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The only "turn 1 hate" that can stop a turn 1 from our deck is something like Grafdigger's Cage or Nihil Spellbomb. Chancellor delays these by at least a turn, giving you time to combo before it hits. Chancellor is also an answer to 95% of hands with hate and/or in them when on the play, because any reasonable hand will combo turn 1 or turn 2 on the play.

I'm currently looking to build another Legacy deck. I have Burn but the B/r/x Reanimator deck has caught my eye because of the MTGO results. Here's my question, is it worth building that version and is it good enough for paper events? I'm kinda new to Legacy but this decks looks like a blast to play. Any help would be appreciated!

With any Legacy deck, the best way to learn about a deck is to play it a ton. Proxy up lists and see what you like and don't like. I've been through around 30 versions of BRx Reanimator, testing around 20-30 different cards that are nowhere to be found in my latest version. Try testing the list out with friends; it can be really fun to play.

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Originally Posted by DNSolver

With any Legacy deck, the best way to learn about a deck is to play it a ton. Proxy up lists and see what you like and don't like.

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This couldn't be better said.

I believe that the new card can be very powerful in this deck ...

I tried to put it in this way by using a list that I saw at the Columbus Grand Prix.

This is my idea:

Creatures: 7
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Grave Titan
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Tidespout Tyrant
3 Griselbrand

Instants 16
4 Daze
4 Brainstorm
4 Entomb
4 Force of Will

Sorceries 19
2 Collective Brutality
2 Ponder
3 Thoughtseize
4 Careful Study
4 Exhume
4 Reanimate

Mana Source: 18
3 Lotus Petal
1 Island
1 Swamp
1 Bayou
1 Tropical Island
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Verdant Catacombs
4 Polluted Delta
4 Underground Sea


Side:
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Massacre / Dread of Night
2/3 Pithing Needle
2 Duress / Thoughtseize
2 Show and Tell
2 Echoing Truth
2 creatures (Ashen Rider / Aetherling / Blazing Archon / Inkuel / Sire)


It could be a card to do before the combo, or the only main card that takes your princpale why this deck is not much played: fast shaman ...


what do you think?