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Nice!!! The ultimate from LtlH is exactly what Pox wants. I could see a 4/2 or a 3/2 split between Veil/Last Hope easily. I think Bitterblossom is slightly better, just simply due to mana efficiency, but I can definitely see the value in exponential zombie hordes as a finisher.
Indeed. Thing is that's the best she can do. The other abilities are not that great.
BTW Her ultimate is not that hot either.
The emblem creates zombies at the beginning of the end step. If you are in a hurry that is no good.
[B]Hi, all. I play two legacy decks. I play mud and have posted under it several times, and posted a 22nd place finish with it in pitt, recently, with a 700+ person tournament. My first love is pox, tho. I haven't played it competitively since the dig era, tho. I know we got some new tools, most notably push and brutality. My best finish with pox was at eternal weekend 3 or 4 years ago, where i went 5-2-1, but got knocked out by the draw, so i left rd 8 instead of staying through rd 9. My buddies were both saltlicks, otherwise i would have played out the rd and see if i placed in the t8, although i do not to this day know what the breakers were. Im going to post my current list, with the caveat of i think the sinkholes can be brutalies easilly. I always play a splash color, usually green. My two builds are either combo or value. Combo is crop rots and dark depths combo with mox diamonds, and usually 26 or 27 lands toolbox. I'm currently keen to try value pox, which is the more prison heavy version with cursed scrolls, and etc.
Deck: Legacy GB Pox sans combo.dec
Counts : 61 main / 15 sideboard
Creatures:1
1 Nether Spirit
Spells:36
2 Cursed Scroll
3 Dark Ritual
2 Innocent Blood
2 Thoughtseize
4 Abrupt Decay
1 Cursed Totem
2 Diabolic Edict
2 Hymn to Tourach
2 Sinkhole
4 Smallpox
2 Sylvan Library
2 Crucible of Worlds
2 Ensnaring Bridge
3 Liliana of the Veil
1 Toxic Deluge
1 The Abyss
1 Beseech the Queen
Lands:24
1 Bayou
1 Cabal Pit
2 Forest
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Hissing Quagmire
4 Mishra's Factory
1 Spawning Pool
2 Swamp
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
3 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland
Sideboard:15
1 Dread of Night
1 Drop of Honey
2 Chains of Mephistopheles
2 Sphere of Resistance
1 Engineered Plague
2 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Trinisphere
1 Helm of Obedience
3 Leyline of the Void
1 Noetic Scales
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Hi Malfie!
I like your list. Cool selection of cards, especially Cursed Totem in main!
Hey all. I 3-0'd my local weekly twice recently, beating Miracles, UB Reanimator, Tezzerator, GW Enchantress, UR Delver, and Death and Taxes. I'm feeling pretty good about my list for a random meta. I'm really sold on 2x Ratchet Bomb in the main and 4x Collective Brutality, 4x Pithing Needle in the 75. (1 and 3, 2 and 2, respectively) I have liked 2x Lost Legacy in the board enough to keep testing. I got rid of Tomb of Urami, too. It's cute but cost me more games(2) than it won me(0). Just sharing. My list is in a previous post. Its Mono Black, no Legends.
Good to hear you are doing well!
Hey guys, wanted to get your guys thoughts on the delve threats. Been running 2 tombstalker, 1 angler and it's been amazing in loam pox. Having a solid finisher has been extremely important. Mishra factory/nether spirit beats sometimes just don't cut it. My concerns before adding the delve threats was delving lands I wanted to loam back, but we cast plenty of spells. Another concern was smallpox nonbo, but most situations I'll happily sac a factory if I just have to smallpox that turn. Etc etc. Anyways, another difference in my list is 4 md chalice, so that shuts off plow a lot of times.
There's a guy at my local that plays 4x Tombstalker in his mono-black pox. He's that much sold on how good it is. Tombstalker + even one Mishra's Factory closes games FAST.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bam Bam
What about the other Delve demon that can kill creatures? I've seen him in lists awhile ago.
Necropolis Fiend, for reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Claymore
Not sure about the cost, it's even more prohibitive than Tombstalker. I think the ability is very good, if you have spare cards to delve. I think the real hold-up is that you need to pay X along with removing X cards, so anything beyond 3 is a stretch. That might be good enough, not sure, haven't tested him.
Playing Necropolis Fiend over Tombstalker gets rid of his auxiliary effect as removal for Gurmag Angler in the Delver matchups. If you're reliant on Push to clear opposing threats, Angler can present a serious roadblock. Tombstalker races just as fast and provides the option to trade on the block if that suits you. You also have to ask yourself how often Necropolis Fiend is going to be used to kill a creature instead of using it for T: Deal 4 damage to target opponent.
How to people feel about Ensnaring Bridge? It seems like a decent sideboard card against SnT and that kind of thing, but I was thinking of running it main, as it can shut down some decks completely game 1 and is a must-answer in g2. We can keep our hands low with Liliana...
I dunno, just a thought.
My most recent Pox list included 4 ensnaring bridge and went way too heavy on lilianas. I think bridge was incredible overall. Rest of the deck needed work and I am currently finding a way to improve it.Quote:
Originally Posted by aslidsiksoraksi
Bridge + Leyline + Helm = solid game plan. I would still maindeck some number of Factorys for blocking, or attacking if your helm is dealt with, but I think that's one of the best reasons to play Helm/Leyline as a win condition. I think Ensnaring Bridge + Bitterblossom is really strong as well, if you don't feel comfortable with Leyline/Helm (or don't have access to it.) I'm still convinced Bitterblossom is the best threat Pox could play. If I sleaved up Pox today, I would play 4x Bitterblossom/Bridge main and sideboard 4x Leyline of the Void/3x Helm of Obedience. I wouldn't even mess around with Chains/Abyss/Nether Void.Quote:
Originally Posted by aslidsiksoraksi
Theoretical list:
4x Bitterblossom
4x Ensnaring Bridge
4x Smallpox
4x Hymn to Tourach
2x Collective Brutality
4x Innocent Blood
2x Ratchet Bomb
3x Thoughtseize
2x Cabal Therapy
3x Dark Ritual
3x Liliana of the Veil
1x Crucible of Worlds
4x Wasteland
4x Mishra's Factory
4x Urborg
12x Swamp
Sideboard
4x Leyline of the Void
3x Helm of Obedience
2x Collective Brutality
3x Pithing Needle
3x Engineered Plague
Much more prison-esque, but seems pretty hot to me. If I owned the Helms and BB's I'd be playing this tomorrow.
That's an interesting way of doing it, I think Bitterblossom does really well under Bridge, and Leyline-Helm is a good move too. I was thinking I'd use Cursed Scroll to win under the Bridge, it's also good on its own and doesn't have the side problem of draining our life. Ob-Nix was another thought, though plussing him to draw cards is counterproductive... In general if you have Bridge and the game is good and stalled then I figured Liliana can just take over and you can draw back up to the right number and start attacking once they have no relevant permanents (was surprised to see just 3x in your list). Was also thinking LtLH could work, once she's got enough zombies to take over the ground we can just draw up to 2 cards and attack.
Might try something like your list out soon, I don't have the bitterblossoms but I do have the Leylines and 2x Helm... Probably try to be normal Pox and win with Scrolls in the MD.
Was also thinking of going hard on Trinispheres with more Sinkholes. But I think that might be a different deck, not sure if I want to put that and the Bridge thing in since it would dilute the removal/discard a lot.
I really like sinkhole + trinisphere, solid tech. I would want 4x dark ritual in that type of build. T1 trini, or just t1 discard + sinkhole. Sinkhole really needs more mana to feed it, but when the mana lines up it can be incredible.Quote:
Originally Posted by aslidsiksoraksi
I also like 4x nether spirit/bloodghast + contamination with sinkhole.
Quick question for you:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Safety
What are you trying to solve with Bitterblossom/Ensnaring bridge that a more standard build can't answer? is this a combination of cards that you just want to test or try out or are you struggling with a match-up, etc.
I am new to pox (not to legacy) and when you read Pox content and look at placing decklists it feels like there is some "randomness" in thought and deck building. Just trying to get a deeper understanding of what is going on as I start to play more and more tournaments.
Thanks
You're right that there is a good deal of randomness or just feeling-it-out that goes with those decklists. The deck is too fringe to have a lot of dedicated theory discussion, and people end up going with what they feel is working.
I guess when I suggested the bridge or the trinisphere/sinkhole thing I didn't have a specific matchup in mind, I was more thinking of things that have been good in games and how to make those elements stronger.
Bridge will just win game 1 against a lot decks if it resolves (Delvers w/o K-command, DnT, Reanimator...)
Trinisphere also is strong against Delver decks and Mentor decks, Brainstomr decks in general. Good against combo if you get it out fast enough.
Having played Pox for only about 4 months I feel like I am still feeling out the matchups. But my experience so far has been that there aren't any totally terrible matchups except Loam decks. I haven't won much against Sneak and Show either, but that might just be my experience. Most Delver matchups are alright to good, Blue Control decks (Czech and Miracles) are alright but not great... Most matchups feel relatively even to me, aside from the Loam games. A lot depends on your draw and you and your opponent play of course.
Pox's classic weakness is it lacks card manipulation. Bridge and Trinisphere don't necessarily help directly, but they can provide harder locks than we usually have, so that we have more time to draw? My other thought was Crystal Ball, but it seems so weak
I can respect that. We all have cards that we have bias's for. I am not a fan of hardcore prison in pox personally as I have always found it to be disappointing, I would much rather be playing Braids Stax if I was going down that road as it has better tools. I was more interested in bitterblossom, but after playing with it for a little bit I don't think it is a card that I want to explore any more. I was looking for a 15th card in my sideboard that can close games out fast and bitterblossom is not that.Quote:
Originally Posted by aslidsiksoraksi
I think Pox is in a pretty good place, Loam decks are definitely the worst match-up but that gets much better after board and your right nothing else feels unwinnable. If you want to draw more cards, there is always Bottle Cloister or Coercive Portal.
I'm worried that Blood Sun (from Rivals of Ixalan) will power up Red based Prison decks. Both Blood Sun and Mono Red Prison decks in general are pretty good against us.
Does anyone have any thoughts on fighting prison decks? Tech, Play patterns, approaches to the match? I've struggled with both Moon Stompy and Sneak attack already, and I'm just trying to prepare in case the hype is real.
Thanks!
(Sorry if this is a double post, my computer is acting funny)
Not relying too much on Mishra's Factory to win, not having too many 1cc spells in the deck. At least that is how my deck handle moon stompy. Look at it the other way; stompy want to hit your weaknesses. In Legacy that is usually a mana base full of non basics and lots of cc 1 spells. Ie, the typical Delver deck. Mono B otoh don't really look like that. Chalice on one doesn't stop us, neither does blood moon. We play Hymn, liliana, Pox etc. And lots of swamps.Quote:
Originally Posted by ntropy
The trick thus is to blank the hate. If you do that moon stompy will become very toothless.
Sneak attack is annoying, but a different kind of deck and need another approach.
Hi there, guys!
I think I finally found a balanced and consistent build. I used to think that the right build required four copies of most cards, but I was wrong. After testing for almost two weeks now, I am certain that the following list is the most robust and has shown the most results I have ever experienced, regarding Legacy Pox. I played against all sorts of Delver variants, Sneak & Show, Death & Taxes, with surprisingly good results.
Land (25)
2x Cabal Pit
1x Maze of Ith
4x Mishra's Factory
9x Snow-Covered Swamp
1x The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
4x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4x Wasteland
Enchantment (3)
1x Chains of Mephistopheles
1x Nether Void
1x The Abyss
Planeswalker (3)
3x Liliana of the Veil
Sorcery (16)
4x Hymn to Tourach
4x Innocent Blood
2x Sinkhole
3x Smallpox
3x Thoughtseize
Artifact (6)
1x Crucible of Worlds
2x Cursed Scroll
1x Meekstone
1x Phyrexian Totem
1x Trinisphere
Creature (1)
1x Nether Spirit
Instant (6)
3x Dark Ritual
3x Fatal Push
Sideboard (15)
2x Dread of Night
2x Engineered Plague
2x Extirpate
2x Massacre
1x Night of Souls' Betrayal
2x Pithing Needle
2x Ratchet Bomb
2x Tormod's Crypt
The deck was shaped with my local metagame in mind, for sure, but here goes my two cents on it;
Lands:
Urborgs and 9 basic swamps as black mana sources
Wasteland, Cabal Pit, Maze of Ith and The Tabernacle at Pendrel Valle as resource denial/Taxation effects
Mishra's Factory as our main win condition, very much like the decks of old (Like Randy Buehler's 'The Deck' and others)
Enchantments:
Legends epicness. Enough said.
Planeswalker:
I tried using 4 copies of 'Liliana of the Veil', but surprisingly, three worked better. I can even summon her turn 1 kinda regularly, with Dark Ritual's help.
Sorcery:
Here is where I had the most trouble fitting all pieces together. I used to run 4 of everyone of these, but as I ran more and more tests, I realized that it was wrong. Then after lots of thinkering, I came up with this;
* 4 copies of Hymn to Tourach. It is amazing. Perhaps one of the most amazing black spells, ever. Can be used in any stage of the game, most likely with catastrophic results to the opponent.
* 4 copies of Innocent Blood. Undefendable removal. Usually kills anything the opponent has for 1 black mana. Amazing.
* 2 copies of Sinkhole. The card I most struggled with. Two copies is enough and can help tremendously, without getting in the way.
* 3 copies of Smallpox. Yep, I've done it. I lowered the Smallpox count. For me, it worked better than a full set, which I didn't think would happen, but hey.
* 3 copies of Thoughtseize. Same logic behind Sinkhole. 3 copies do not get in the way late game and we reduce the life loss a little.
Artifacts:
The later additions to the deck. It made a big difference in the re-utilization of resources, which are scarce, prison elements and gave another kill condition;
* 1 copy Crucible of Worlds. It creates a soft lock, recurring infinite blockers (Mishra's Factories), Wastelands and Cabal Pits.
* 2 copies of Cursed Scroll. I've always been reluctant in using this card, until I used and understood it. It wins games by itself.
* 1 copy of Meekstone. Yep, Meekstone maindeck. It shuts down Delvers, Gurmar Anglers, Griselbrands and more. For 1 mana.
* 1 copy of Phyrexian Totem. The ideal turn 1, can be a source of mana or a win condition, all in one adorable Phyrexian.
* 1 copy of Trinisphere. Prison element, which helps a lot our game-plan. Makes people mad.
Creature
1 copy of Nether Spirit. The only deck this fellow plays, I think. We can discard it for Liliana's ability or Smallpox effect. Normally an recurring blocker, sometimes a win condition as well.
Instants:
* 3 copies of Dark Ritual. I used to run 4 of these, but then I drew it late game and died. 3 copies showed to be the sweet spot.
* 3 copies of Fatal Push. The most recent addition. It kills Delvers, Thalias, Deathrite Shamans, Stoneforge Mystics, Snapcaster Mages and some more. Hell yeah.
Sideboard:
The sideboard is divided basically into:
Death & Taxes hate:
2x Dread of Night
2x Massacre
2x Engineered Plague
Combo/Sneak & Show hate
2x Extirpate
2x Pithing Needle
Delver/Goblins/Weenies hate
1x Night of Souls' Betrayal
2x Ratchet Bomb
Dredge hate:
2x Tormod's Crypt
Hope you guys like it! If you have any question, feel free to ask!
Best regards.
I do like it! However, my local meta is infested with Lands and Pile; how would you accommodate such a meta?Quote:
Originally Posted by LeonardoWilhelm
Second question, what do you think of Beseech the Queen? Lots of 1-ofs to find in your list.
I like the mainboard meekstone :smile:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barachai
Hi there!
Well, 'Czech Pile' is pretty much a 'wider' Grixis Delver, so a similar strategy applies to that scenario. I would pack more hand disruption (like 'Inquisition of Kozilek') and Ratched Bombs, to blow everything up. I would prioritize a hard lock as soon as possible as well (with 'Nether Void', for example).
Regarding tutors, I am thinking about the idea of moving 'Chains of Mephistopheles' to the sideboard, then I could put 1 copy of 'Beseech the Queen' mainboard. The idea is quite interesting, it is like having another copy of my 1-of spells. I will have to test that one out, though.
Thanks to you for the insight!
Best regards.
The list looks very solid and many of your reasonings as well. I've been on 2 (if not 0) Sinkholes as well, and if/when I run Dark Rituals main, its's also usually 3, never want 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeonardoWilhelm
3 Smallpox is something I'd have to test myself first, but it seems legit - not getting 2 black hurts sometimes, just as saccing lands early game or discarding that Lili you'd like to keep for later. Only 3 Lili's seems few though :smile:
Your mana base including Ph Totem reminds me very much of Adachi Ryosuke's builds! Do you feel the Tabernacle is worth it? I bought one but cut it again after 2 tourneys as it often was just 'Rishadan port 1-2x' vs any non-elves/EmptyTheWarrens deck.
I was just about to sell it again to help pay for my wedding. :tongue: please tell me it's not great/necessary enough :tongue:
How has The Abyss worked out for you? That's the only card in your list apart from Crucible (just sold it :D) I don't have yet, but it's another very big investment whose necessity I wasn't sure about before.
Edit: forgot to add - isn't Nihil Spellbomb better in general than Tormod's? It doesn't allow for turn 1 discard + Crypt vs combo which might be relevant. But the cycling seems like it would make it be worth it vs decks like Czech to keep Snap/Command in check without losing card advantage.
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Originally Posted by Fjaulnir
Hi there, mighty Fjaulnir!
I did cringe a little while reasoning about taking 1 'Liliana of the Veil' out, but it did work out, surprisingly. It helped a lot with the 'flow' of the deck, if that makes any sense. The 'Tabernacle' issue is highly discussed, and honestly, it is not that necessary, really. Don't get me wrong, it is indeed great, but you could change it easily for a copy of 'Karakas', which helps a lot as well. Sell it, buy a 'Karakas' and use the rest for your wedding (happy one, by the way. Best wishes).
'The Abyss' is just amazing, it is one of my favorite cards of all time, it can trully end games if resolved successfully. Just imagine the following scenario, where you kill that annoying turn 1 'Deathrite Shaman' and then cast 'Dark Ritual' -> 'The Abyss' on Turn 2. If it resolves, it most likely will end the game. I love it so much that I bought a playmat with it's art on it! (Search for: "mark's artist signature service and other elves and goblins" on Facebook, for anyone interested, they have lots of signed old art playmats for sale).
Regarding 'Tormod's Crypt', I still prefer that 0 mana cost over the cycling 'Nihil Spellbomb' offers, but it would also work similarly well.
Thanks a lot for such great questions!
Best regards.
Has anyone thought of directly porting the 8rack deck from modern
Example: Tom Ross list from September last year
Planeswalkers (4)
4 Liliana of the Veil
Lands (24)
15 Swamp
1 Marsh Flats
4 Mutavault
4 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Spells (32)
4 The Rack
4 Shrieking Affliction
1 Dismember
3 Fatal Push
2 Funeral Charm
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Raven's Crime
4 Smallpox
3 Thoughtseize
3 Wrench Mind
Obvious swaps would be to upgrade Mutavault into Factory and Wrench Mind into Hymn to Tourach (and maybe find space for Dark Ritual / Wasteland) but it's interesting that this version of the deck (4x Rack 4x Affliction) hardly seems to have had anybody test it or talk about it in Legacy even though it seems to have a reasonable following in modern.
Any thoughts?
I would probably try something like
4 Factory
4 Urborg
4 Wasteland
12 Swamp
4 Liliana
4 Affliction
4 Rack
4 Hymn
4 Smallpox
4 Ritual
4 Inquisition
2 Push
2 Innocent Blood
3 Ravens Crime
1 Netherspirit
In hindsight there should probably be a few copies of Thoughtseize in there but you get the idea
A friend of mine has The Abyss though so I guess I might playtest it and just borrow it from him if I can (so I don't need to spend another €350 on 1 card), and if playtesting would indeed indicate it's better than just a 4th Liliana.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeonardoWilhelm
I do have Karakas in my Enchantress collection btw so I might try that :wink: it does sound weird in a BB-costed deck though, but I guess that's the same for Tabernacle. At least it makes mana without Urborg.
A Geier Reach Sanitarium could also be okay in this slot, being able to keep your opponents hellbent in their draw step with Chains, and to create some virtual card advantage with Crucible of Nether Spirit. Although putting cards in your opponents' yard is also risky in Legacy.
Another question: do you feel like a small number of fetchlands might do anything? Yesterday I ran a (totally different) list with 2 Polluted Deltas because I didn't have enough nice/matching basic Swamps :tongue: and also because of Tombstalker and Fatal Push; and I couldn't Fatally Push an opponent's Leovold for 3-4 turns because I never got to trigger Revolt.
The life loss (and being a bit deader to Blood Moon Stompy) are real though in this deck; but also with Crucible of Worlds it gives a nice grinding engine thinning your deck and getting a mana advantage in control mirrors. (and protects against Jace Fateseal killing you :wink:
So it's mainly a small % play that may sometimes be relevant in a positive way, and sometimes negatively affect you when you lose because of the -1 life or Blood Moon. Mhh.
I had been thinking about that recently as well, after hitting up this old list: http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=5868&d=234074&f=LEQuote:
Originally Posted by kombatkiwi
Admittedly that's only 4-Rack though :wink: but at least I now finally have that list complete since yesterday with some sweet Antiquities Racks. I still need to playtest it tough and figure out how the Fetch + Sensei's D Top engine should be replaced (and whether any amount of fetches are still necessary for Tombstalker/a Fatal Push upgrade even without Top).
It does run some ground beaters though instead of the other 4 'Racks'/Afflictions. Rack redirects to PWs so I guess that's the better of the 2.
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Originally Posted by Fjaulnir
Fjaunir;
You should definitely playtest 'The Abyss', I am sure you gonna like it. I must warn you though, people will get mad at you!
'Karakas' would be more mana efficient than 'Tabernacle', while keeping Thalias, Leovolds, Griselbands and Emrakuls at bay. It works really well, even naturally tapping for white mana, which we could use as colorless.
The idea of adding Fetches to trigger Fatal Push's revolt is pretty interesting, although I tend to use 'Fatal Push' to remove the most annoying and played 1 or 2 mana creatures ( Delver of Secrets, Deathrite Shaman, Tarmagoyf, Young Pyromancer, Snapcaster Mage ) while using 'Innocent Blood' and 'SmallPox' to deal with the rest of'em, since most likely the opponent won't have more than 1 or 2 creatures in play at the same time. Help me to think of more relevant creatures with converted mana cost bigger than 2, besides Leovold, then we could reason if adding Fetches would be cost-efficient or not. I can't think of any, honestly.
Slowly, our deck is becoming stronger, fellas! Let's Pox'em.
Best Regards;
For Rack Pox in Legacy this thread is worth studying;
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...?4300-Deck-Pox
Thought-Knot Seer, although Push is kinda weak against Chalice on 1 out of Eldrazi. Vendilion Clique, which isn't played *a lot* but most people who run it will sideboard it in against me and rightfully so. This deck has a lot of sorcery speed removal spells, so flashing in a Clique EOT and attack me/Liliana with it without having a way to kill it immediately, has lost me enough games.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeonardoWilhelm
Death and Taxes also runs some 3- and 4-drops these days, most of which are maybe not the best for Pushing (Recruiter, Palace Jailer), but Flickerwisp can also be annoying as a 3/1 flying attacker.
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Originally Posted by Fjaulnir
Oh, Eldrazi. I do hate them, a lot.
I will give this idea a shot. The drawback is not that big and could potentially help us in tight situations. Our conversation also made me think with more care about 'Karakas', I think I will put a copy on the sideboard, heck, maybe even in the mainboard (replacing a copy of 'Cabal Pit', for instance), let's see how it behaves.
I find it amazing how our deck is like a 'sorcery-speed control deck", don't you think?
Once again, thanks a lot for your insights!
Best regards.
I think Cabal Pit could still work; it would actually also work better with Fetchlands, making it easier to have threshold.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeonardoWilhelm
EDIT: only now I see you originally played 2 Cabal Pits. Yeah I think 1 is probably enough, otherwise there will be a lot of damage being dealt to ourselves^^
In a vacuum yes but it also dies more easily (Kolaghans Command / Ancient Grudge)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fjaulnir
The reason why I like the Rack version is the following:
- You have 8 unblockable Delver of Secrets so you are more likely to avoid the canonical Pox problem of letting your opponent topdeck into a victory, because you just clock them much faster
- Pox is an attrition deck that is trying to play a game where both players have as few resources as possible, so it makes way more sense to have win conditions that only cost 1 mana and not things like Ob Nixilis or Nether Void or whatever
The 4 Raven's Crime is also very interesting, my intuition is not to play so many copies of this card because the retrace ability is redundant in multiples but it highlights the importance of being able to trade excess lands for the opponent's resources (which you are more willing to do in this version because you don't have any expensive winconditions)
Hi, all. Im on the MUD thread more than here, but ive been a bg pox player since just before the dig through omniscience era. I thought id post my most recent list for consideration. Bg has slightly better matches vs a lot of bad mono black matches, and it might be cool for you all to have something to throw darts at. If you take out a couple of cards, of course the deck is less expensive, but also less effective. Sadly, bg pox is about as expensive as mono black, in some builds even more. Best.
Deck: Legacy Loam Pox 1-23-18.dec
Counts : 61 main / 15 sideboard
Creatures:1
1 Nether Spirit
Artifacts:3
3 Mox Diamond
Sorceries:13
1 Raven's Crime
2 Hymn to Tourach
3 Life from the Loam
4 Smallpox
2 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Worm Harvest
Instants:10
3 Crop Rotation
2 Entomb
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Diabolic Edict
Enchantments:4
2 Exploration
2 Sylvan Library
Others:3
3 Liliana of the Veil
Lands:27
2 Bayou
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Cabal Pit
2 Dark Depths
1 Forest
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Glacial Chasm
1 Karakas
4 Mishra's Factory
1 Riftstone Portal
1 Swamp
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
2 Thespian's Stage
1 Tranquil Thicket
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
2 Verdant Catacombs
3 Wasteland
Sideboard:15
1 Necroplasm
2 Pithing Needle
1 Cursed Totem
2 Sphere of Resistance
1 Coffin Purge
2 Krosan Grip
1 Drop of Honey
1 Bitterblossom
2 Chains of Mephistopheles
1 Engineered Plague
1 The Abyss
Other cards to consider include collective brutality, and mirri's guile. I also am giving serious consideration to a second bog in the board instead of coffin purge.
I like your list, it's "landsy". If I made it, I'd go with Mirri's Guile over Sylvan Library just to have more first turn plays...Quote:
Originally Posted by malfie13
Btw I totally forgot about seeing this list a while ago, might give you some inspiration as well: http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=17879&d=310803&f=LEQuote:
Originally Posted by kombatkiwi
Yep something like that would be goodQuote:
Originally Posted by Fjaulnir
I'm not convinced Bob is good as the only creature in a Smallpox deck and everything else is basically what I suggested, sans Ritual, and I agree that Ritual might be wrong in an attrition deck.
The funniest thing to me about that list is 4x Mutavault and 0x Mishra's Factory
A) There's no tribal synergy so Mishra's Factory is just a strict upgrade (unless you're really scared of artifact destruction)
B) There's Engineered Plague in the sideboard which gives Mutavault -1/-1 whether you name Elf or Goblin or Human or anything
C) You can't even say it's for budget reasons because Factory is like $1 (and Mutavault is $15-20)
It's probably just a modern player (modern 8rack plays mutavault) that either didnt know Mishra/Mishra being better/didnt have Mishra available in time in his collection?