Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
Depends on the person reading it. The only thing that counts is the correct play, no matter whether it ends up losing or winning.
What I'm actually interested in is how you go about weighing the odds of just "going for it"; like when you made your opponent discard his last protection spell but still have to wait for a turn in which he plays Ponder and doesn't shuffle even though you look like you're about to go off. Do you go for it? What influences this decision? Against both blue and non-blue decks. Do you cantrip for additional protection even though you're at 12 life and the opponent has a flipped Delver? It's questions like these that I'm most interested in.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
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Julian23
Depends on the person reading it. The only thing that counts is the correct play, no matter whether it ends up losing or winning.
What I'm actually interested in is how you go about weighing the odds of just "going for it"; like when you made your opponent discard his last protection spell but still have to wait for a turn in which he plays Ponder and doesn't shuffle even though you look like you're about to go off. Do you go for it? What influences this decision? Against both blue and non-blue decks. Do you cantrip for additional protection even though you're at 12 life and the opponent has a flipped Delver? It's questions like these that I'm most interested in.
I don't need an article for this. You always go for it.
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Bryant Cook
Regardless, it's more beneficial to read about games won than lost. If you're interested in reading about lost games, I recommend the ANT thread.
*pew pew*
Shots Fired.
I mean I agree to the extent that figuring out the correct play is always right. Regardless of W/L. I played against miracles an got him to 3 with Goblins but they got terminused and he got a CB with a fetch open. I ended up winning by playing an unneeded chrome mox (he thought it was important) and it revealed a land so I went for it. He fetched hoping to blind flip but missed and I was able to make a 3 storm with Chrome Mox, Burning Wish, Grapeshot, which really was luck dependent. So plays like this that are probably still the correct plays would be alright to post about.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
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Bryant Cook
I don't need an article for this. You always go for it.
And I agree. Sometimes you just have to try and if it doesnt work, it doesnt work. Despite the feeling of invincibility that this deck can sometimes give you, you are still a combo deck that can be disrupted with enough counters/discard and it is inevitable that they will just have the right combination of disruption + pressure to just force you into a horrible spot.
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Bryant Cook
Stop trolling my god damn thread.
In other news, I'm writing my article tonight. It's going to be a "Storm Hands", what match-up would you trolls like to see featured?
I need help fighting through multiple chant effects and Leyline of Sanctity, so an Enchantress type deck packing Orim's Chants
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jin
I need help fighting through multiple chant effects and Leyline of Sanctity, so an Enchantress type deck packing Orim's Chants
Xantid Swarm + Chain of Vapor.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
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Bryant Cook
Xantid Swarm + Chain of Vapor.
Damnit. Thanks.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
Last 30 MTGO games with TES leaves me with a 63% win ratio 19-11. I am not playing the deck perfectly but I am definitely becoming more comfortable with it. The only deck I am consistently worried about is Esper Stoneblade, other than that it's pretty good against the mtgo meta. Here are the match ups.
Tournament Practice
19-11
2-0 vs BG Pox
0-2 12 Post
2-1 Unsorted Countertop
2-0 Deadguy Ale
2-0 Jund
0-2 RG Aggro
2-0 GW Enchantress
2-0 GW Enchantress
0-2 Omnishow
1-2 Junk
0-2 Esper Stoneblade
2-1 Esper Stoneblade
2-1 Death and Taxes
1-2 TES
1-2 UB Stacks
2-0 UR Delver
2-0 Burn
2-0 Goblins
2-1 Death and Taxes
2-0 Small Pox
2-1 Junk
1-2 RUG Delver
0-2 Burn
0-2 Esper Stoneblade
0-2 Esper Stoneblade
2-1 BUG Agent
2-0 Bad Lands
2-1 High Tide
2-0 Esper Stoneblade
2-1 Mono Black Dark Depths
0-2 Burn
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
A lot of people are talking about the Esperblade match up. Is that really a problem? They don't even play that many counter spells. Preboard, they have 3-4 FOW, 0-2 Spell Pierce and 1 Counter spell. They also have 4 discard spells, but they aren't Hymn to Tourach. Post board, they bring in the 1 Cabal Therapy, the 2 Spell Pierce and the 1 FOW. Some might bring in Fluster Storm. To me, this is very similar to the Tempo Thresh match up, except they don't play Stifle on fetch lands and they don't have a faster clock. I think the usual, discard/Chant combo just crushes them. Discard spells don't mean much to a deck that's both fast and can replenish its hand with a big spell...
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jin
A lot of people are talking about the Esperblade match up. Is that really a problem? They don't even play that many counter spells. Preboard, they have 3-4 FOW, 0-2 Spell Pierce and 1 Counter spell. They also have 4 discard spells, but they aren't Hymn to Tourach. Post board, they bring in the 1 Cabal Therapy, the 2 Spell Pierce and the 1 FOW. Some might bring in Fluster Storm. To me, this is very similar to the Tempo Thresh match up, except they don't play Stifle on fetch lands and they don't have a faster clock. I think the usual, discard/Chant combo just crushes them. Discard spells don't mean much to a deck that's both fast and can replenish its hand with a big spell...
It depends on how the Esperblade deck is built. One time I played against an Esperblade deck that was packing Meddling Mages and Ethersworn Canonists in it's sideboard.
Sometimes they have the perfect combination of discard, countermagic, with Stoneforge Mystic.
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joemauer
It depends on how the Esperblade deck is built. One time I played against an Esperblade deck that was packing Meddling Mages and Ethersworn Canonists in it's sideboard.
Sometimes they have the perfect combination of discard, countermagic, with Stoneforge Mystic.
Meddling Mage is terrifying. I don't know why more people aren't playing it. Some Euro lists are also playing Flusterstorms in the board.
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A lot of people are talking about the Esperblade match up. Is that really a problem?
I'm never incredibly unhappy to see Esperblade, but it's not the greatest matchup ever. They have a reasonable answer to Goblins in the form of Batterskull (and sometimes DSphere), which definitely makes it harder.
I've played a lot of different combo decks against a lot of Esperblade and it always feels like they're generally disadvantaged because most of their cards are blanks, but not by a whole lot. Very draw dependent.
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Darkness
Last 30 MTGO games with TES leaves me with a 63% win ratio 19-11. I am not playing the deck perfectly but I am definitely becoming more comfortable with it. The only deck I am consistently worried about is Esper Stoneblade, other than that it's pretty good against the mtgo meta. Here are the match ups.
Tournament Practice
19-11
FWIW, The Tourney Practice room is filled with an overconcentration of Burn and Monoblack. Be aware of this fact when looking at the results.
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Koby
FWIW, The Tourney Practice room is filled with an overconcentration of Burn and Monoblack. Be aware of this fact when looking at the results.
Considering that 1/5 of the decks I've played were burn and Monoblack, and that the number of Esper Stoneblade decks was the same, I'd say that I was paired with a semi diverse field of decks to test against. Agreed that compared to a real life event I wouldn't see many of these decks, but again it's still only 6 out of 30 matches.
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I also think Esper Blade is one of the toughest matchups, just because EtW isn't a viable plan half the time (SFM + Bskull), plus the disruption + counterspells. I'd still put it around 50/50 though.
Game 1 it's not as hard as they have plenty of dead cards, but one of the strengths about esper is the sideboard to shore up any matchup post boards - basically the deck scarifices some win % game one to have a shot against each deck type and can tune the deck to beat any archetype with the sideboard.
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phazonmuant
I'm never incredibly unhappy to see Esperblade, but it's not the greatest matchup ever. They have a reasonable answer to Goblins in the form of Batterskull (and sometimes DSphere), which definitely makes it harder.
I've played a lot of different combo decks against a lot of Esperblade and it always feels like they're generally disadvantaged because most of their cards are blanks, but not by a whole lot. Very draw dependent.
Tendrils is the main win condition here. Just because Empty the Warren is cut off doesn't mean it's a bad match up. They also have to get the batterskull on the Table first before ETW is bad. ETW for 12 goblins first turn can still get there..
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joemauer
It depends on how the Esperblade deck is built. One time I played against an Esperblade deck that was packing Meddling Mages and Ethersworn Canonists in it's sideboard.
Sometimes they have the perfect combination of discard, countermagic, with Stoneforge Mystic.
I would too consider the match up is so bad for them. That just sounds like a player who knows his Esperblade decks. If he's not packing hate bears along with his counter magic and discard, I wouldn't think it's such a bad match up.
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Bryant Cook
Stop trolling my god damn thread.
In other news, I'm writing my article tonight. It's going to be a "Storm Hands", what match-up would you trolls like to see featured?
What ever deck you enjoy playing second most.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
My suggestion would be sneaky show I guess.
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You can still empty against stoneblade. Just don't get too comfortable. I dont hate the MU it is just very dependant on what their hand is
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joemauer
It depends on how the Esperblade deck is built. One time I played against an Esperblade deck that was packing Meddling Mages and Ethersworn Canonists in it's sideboard.
Sometimes they have the perfect combination of discard, countermagic, with Stoneforge Mystic.
I think Esper is a good matchup.. I lose when I keep a weak 6 card hand and they have T1 Discard, T2 Stoneforge, T3 Clique(or snap + discard) with FoW backup.
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joemauer
Sometimes they have the perfect combination of discard, countermagic, with Stoneforge Mystic.
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Shimi
I think Esper is a good matchup.. I lose when I keep a weak 6 card hand and they have T1 Discard, T2 Stoneforge, T3 Clique(or snap + discard) with FoW backup.
