Hey!
Did you guys see that Wizards released information on 'Dominaria' today? Cards, mechanics and rule changes. Do you think there is any viable addition to Legacy Pox in there?
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Hey!
Did you guys see that Wizards released information on 'Dominaria' today? Cards, mechanics and rule changes. Do you think there is any viable addition to Legacy Pox in there?
Damping Sphere
2
Artifact
If a land is tapped for two or more mana, it produces C instead of any other type and amount.
Each spell a player casts costs 1 more to cast for each other spell that player has cast this turn.
Other than that it appears to be a severe case of lack of imagination.
"Damping Engine" seems like it'd work in Pox, but yes, lack of imagination... Darn it! I want More Chimeric Idol-like threats... I can cast and damage you on the same turn... Only reason I don't run the idol is cause Factory is more efficient in long run... :frown: Actually threats like Bloodghast that could block would be nice. I'm a Poxer cause I wanted a good LD playing deck. For LD flavor to work, you need fast threats that can come early and kill your foe before they stabilize.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardcore
Could Squee, the Immortal... see play in Pox with a red splash? He is more mana intensive than Nether Spirit, but he can play from the graveyard AND exile, making him better vs Rest in Peace and Swords to Plowshares.
I would say no. The mana cost is indeed prohibitive and stp, pte, is not enough of a problem for us. I am not sure it will see play at all. Too expensive for burn, and UR Delver has better threats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pittplayer
Would rather have the original Squee and use it as recurring discard fodder without ever splashing a color.
Yeah new Squee seems like a Food Chain card, if anything
The damping card might be a decent sideboard option. I'll prolly pick a few up if they're cheap and try it out
Damping Sphere will hit so many decks in the format that we can sit back and enjoy the show.
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Originally Posted by ntropy
Trying to deny multiple types of resource at once is generally poor because an opponent with no hand can't play anything regardless of how much mana they have, and an opponent with no lands is going to be unable to do anything regardless of the number of cards in their hand. If you thoughtseize your opponent and then Sinkhole them, they are probably in a better spot than if you hit them with Sinkhole x2 or Thoughtseize x2. This is why you don't generally see people playing Thoughtseize and Stifle in the same deck.Quote:
Rack Pox don't bother much with land destruction. It is to its advantage that people can empty their hands.
I don't think Sinkhole is even bad vs Miracles seeing as their finishers are all relatively expensive and it also destroys Azcanta.
I agree that discard is bad vs dredge, creature removal is bad vs storm etc. But is there really not enough room in the SB to have specific cards for these matchups rather than just 'these maindeck cards suck, might as well bring Sinkhole in?'
Here is where I am at:
1x Nether Spirit
4x The Rack
4x Shrieking Affliction
4x Liliana
4x Smallpox
4x Hymn to Tourach
21
12 Swamp
4 Wasteland
4 Factory
4 Urborg
24
I think the above 45 cards are a lock
Remaining 15 would be like
4 IoK
3 Innocent Blood
3 Thoughtseize
3 Raven's Crime
2 Sinkhole, Pox, Cursed Scroll, Collective Brutality, Last Hope, etc
so:
8 Racks
24 Lands
27 Cheap disruption (cmc < 4)
1 Nether spirit
0 Dark Ritual
It just makes so much sense:
- Playing 4 Drops in your Smallpox / Liliana deck is extremely suspect because in many cases you will simply not have the resources to cast them
- Playing Dark Ritual in an attrition deck is awful because it makes your number of bad topdecks astronomical (you're already playing a ton of discard spells)
- If you cut the 4 drops then there isn't much of a reason to play Ritual anymore either
- 9 threats + factory might seem like a lot, but in a deck with 10+ discard spells you don't want to have a very low threat density because then you will lose games to your opponent having a higher number of relevant topdecks than you
4 Leyline is a lock for the SB
3-4 Ratchet Bomb too because you need outs to chalice of the void
2-3 Pithing Needle because it's just too good vs random stuff like Thespian's Stage, Sneak Attack
I also want to see how many Field of Ruin the manabase can support, but maybe this is too greedy.
Obv this isn't be the only way to build the deck considering Adachi Ryosuke's somewhat-recent success with Chains of Mephistopheles, Crucible, Phyrexian Totem etc but I like the way this version plays
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/...no-black-tempoQuote:
Originally Posted by kombatkiwi
@kombatkiwi, I totally agree. Trying to control every resource is not easy, and really not feasible. That is a big reason for only using wasteland as mana denial, and smallpox can pressure mana against land lite decks, but it's more for hand/board control (and an out to TNN.)
If this deck could consistently control all resources it would be DTB. As it stands, it's really a grindy control deck that operates well under a depraved game state.
I love this idea 4 Poxes!! Sea Gate Wreckage is a no go for me. Ran into ugly situations where I couldn't pay the colorless... faq!!!:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardcore
With all the brewing and testing people have done over the years it seems that;
*If you play Mono - B and want to draw cards then there is no better card than Dark Confidant. The drawback is that one can't really play Pox or Tombstalker in such a deck. Typical control decks run neither of those, however.
Kaya, ghost assassin is an alternative if you want to splash white.
*The dark side of drawing cards is virtual card advantage, and this is the classic Pox tactic. Thoughtseize and Inquisition are all praised but I have been seized and therapied to oblivion by non Pox opponents and still come back to defeat them. Card advantage in its pure form is the Hymn to Tourach.
Cards like To the Slaughter and toxic deluge are halfway there.
*For the Pox player focusing on land destruction there are four cards that work well together and should be in his dec. Not necessarily four of each however. Those are Crucible of Worlds, wasteland, sinkhole and Smallpox.
*Past Googling of tourney wins suggest that decks running two nether voids were more successful than those with only a singleton of the card.
Damn, I'll need another Void? But Enchant World kills itself off right? or was that changed like Legendary? When I got mine the high price was $400.00 now it's $1,000.00 WtH?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardcore
Dunno about the enchant world, I think it simply was increased odds of drawing it.
A local guy have cast it twice against me (GB build) and those were effectively killers.
ah, the world ruling: "This has the supertype world. When a world permanent enters the battlefield, any world permanents that were already on the battlefield are put into their owners' graveyards. This is a state-based action called the “world rule.” The new world permanent stays on the battlefield. If two world permanents enter the battlefield at the same time, they're both put into their owners' graveyards."
lots in the Mirage block.
I guess I could run a Trinisphere as backup. One game against a reanimator deck, I had both out... lol Mishras went to town. albeit was a slow... ride.... getting ... there... but a win is a win!:eek:
Anyone playing Loam Pox? Don't know if that's discussed here, but I'm interested in building something with smallpox, sinkhole and recurring wastelands :)
If you haven’t tried it- Quarterized Rack Pox is an awesome way to shake up a weekly. It isn’t better by any stretch of the imagination, but casting Pox is why I originally started playing Legacy in the first place.
24 lands
4 Pox
4 The Rack
4 Lily
4 Dark Rit
20 other cards. You know the steez.
The best advice for jamming this is to not be afraid to cast Lily into a FOW. If she eats it- good. Next turn’s Pox will hit extra hard. It also makes you care less about Daze, as it makes Pox hit harder.
I still prefer my brew of 0-1 Pox and 6 Walkers, but the classics are classic for a reason.
I've had good success with Loam Pox at a few locals. Can share a list if your interested. No sinkholes doe..Quote:
Originally Posted by Blastoderm
Hi there guys.
What an interesting discussion. I've always wondered about such mechanics as well. Controlling all resources is incredibly difficult, I agree that the most 'logical' approach would be to focus on an unique resource and blow it to oblivion, which is what 'Rack Pox' does so well with hand disruption, for example.
With that in mind, I want to share my two cents on the matter, which goes the other way around, opposite to the more 'logical' and certain build. I run a Mono-Black Pox Prison build, a wide spread resource-denial list which is a little different from the 'standard' mono-black Pox Prison builds you see around;
Land (25)
1x Cabal Pit
1x Karakas
1x Maze of Ith
4x Mishra's Factory
9x Swamp
1x The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
4x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4x Wasteland
Enchantment (3)
1x Nether Void
1x Night of Souls' Betrayal
1x The Abyss
Sorcery (16)
4x Hymn to Tourach
4x Innocent Blood
2x Sinkhole
3x Smallpox
3x Thoughtseize
Artifact (6)
1x Crucible of Worlds
2x Cursed Scroll
2x Pithing Needle
1x Trinisphere
Instant (6)
3x Dark Ritual
3x Fatal Push
Planeswalker (3)
3x Liliana of the Veil
Creature (1)
1x Nether Spirit
Sideboard (15)
1x Toxic Deluge
1x Chains of Mephistopheles
2x Dread of Night
2x Engineered Plague
2x Extirpate
2x Massacre
1x Phyrexian Totem
2x Ratchet Bomb
2x Tormod's Crypt
This is tailored to my metagame, which is strongly creature-based, but with a few modifications, it could easily become a more generic list.
As you can see, this is a wide, resource denial list. It attacks lands, hands, creatures and dreams. My first build test was heavily focused on hand disruption, but I found the strategy to be way predictable. When the person I was playing against knew that I was playing 'a kind of mono-black discard deck', he then would change his way of playing. He had information. He knew I would discard his cards, put 2 'The Racks' in play, a Lilly and maybe a 'Ensnaring Bridge' along the way, or something similar.
Here is where I think Prison-Pox shines. It is WAY wider. The opponent doesn't know where the next hit is going to come from. Will it be a 'Sinkhole' on his last basic Island? Will it be an amazingly random 'Hymn to Tourach'? Will it be a Fatal Push on his creature or a 'Night of Soul's Betrayal', shutting 90% of his creatures down? Will it even be a 'Trinisphere', making his cantrips and creatures WAY LESS good?
That sense of 'randomness' is a very powerful strategy which is not easy to be prepared against. It can destroy everything. The deck runs just one creature, the rest of it is pure, evil destruction of all things.
The downside is the inconsistency. It can just not work sometimes. I still think it is worth the risk, though.
What do you guys think? Is there more Rack or Prison Pox around here? Do you guys play in bigger fields and get the larger picture of how your decks perform? I am kinda limited to Death & Taxes, Maverick, Burn and Storm around here. I would love to know.
Best regards.
I often hear the comment "-I don't know how to sideboard against Pox “. I run the rack and creatures as win conditions, the rest of the deck is disruption. Surgicals doesn't work as the deck lack critical components. If the opponent tries hide behind a bridge the double threat of ghasts and the rack will do him in. Destroying the rack only give a temporary relief until i find another.
Etc.
I love it when my opponent is just despondently flipping through their sideboard, wondering what to do. In fact I think knowing how to approach the pox match-up is a mark of a true legacy specialist. No one actually prepares, but knowing how to change their deck/approach is important.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeonardoWilhelm
I have always felt that Smallpox or Pox is best when you are pressuring everything. the Land sacrifice is meaningless if you don't continue pressuring with Wastelands and Sinkholes. The discard is meaningless if you don't continue pressuring with Hymns and Lilianas. This is why I never liked Smallpox in Modern 8rack, there was nothing to back up the land destruction, and sacrificing a land was a big cost. The difficulty is of course when things don't line up, or when your opponent gets out ahead. I'm on the verge of cutting Dark Rituals because they are real bad against decks that grind value (Delver, Blade, Pile, Loam variants) but that leaves me cold to decks that can surge ahead on resources or win super fast (Elves, Storm, S+S, Moon Stompy, fast combo). The struggle is real.
Just a heads up, looks like there might be a buyout of Chains of Mephistopheles happening...
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Le...topheles#paper
Then and now Jayemdae Tome, Karn, Scion of Urza
One Karn may be nice. Like a colorless jace.
He'd prefer decks full of racks and cursed scrolls, but yes, he does feel like a colorless Jace, but no ultimate.:cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardcore
I actually really like the new Karn for Pox. Your opponent will likely give you lands, if given the option, and Pox can always use more lands. The fact that he is colorless allows for Wasteland and Factory's to pay for him as well, so it seems rather good honestly. The ultimate is really kind of 'blah', not even close to game-winning in Pox. I like the repeatable card advantage, I don't like that the ultimate isn't very good. Still, it does something very important for a Pox deck, and that's offset the global effects like Smallpox.
Now, Chainer's Torment...another quasi-potentially-good card, similar to the cards we got in recent sets, where 4 mana is definitely a lot but it seems quite good. It's at a minimum a 4 life drain/gain, and then likely at least a 5/5 or better token produced.
The sagas are cute but pretty useless. You have no real control over their timing.
I really like new Karn. I'm thinking I'll try him as a 2x. He's exactly what we've been asking for - a card filtering engine. Granted he's slow and somewhat fragile, but still. The 'ultimate' is somewhat lackluster, but provides a win condition if nothing else. And creating creatures is a good way to stall games, etc. 4 mana is painful, but he'd be broken at 3, so fair enough. Makes me want to play the full 4 rituals. I feel like we'll see him tried out in a lot of decks - a colorless card advantage engine is what a lot of people seemed to be looking for.
shame about the Chains buyout. I checked and now they're $800 or so where they used to be about $400 :( makes me want to pick up a second Nether Void before the same thing happens there
RE the attack all angles - I like this and I feel like it is what Prison Pox wants to be doing. Our best cards (Lilliana, Smallpox) do exactly this. But let's not forget the angle from which we are not attacking: life total. I think that has been a Prison Pox weakness (or a strength, depending on how sadistic you are). I'm not sure what to do to fix it, or if it really needs fixing to any great extent, but I wanted to point that out.
Also, we want to attack all resources, but do so flexibly. Different matchups will have different resources that matter. So a sideboard needs to be tailored to that, I think. Anyway just some thoughts.
Life total is what Pox eats. I run four, and it has happened I have won games by repeated poxing. If that is not your way then cards like the rack should be considered. Alternatives exist, like Ankh of Mishra or forsaken wastes.
i like that his -2 makes an artifact creature since that will play nice with the abyss.Quote:
Originally Posted by aslidsiksoraksi
the only drawback is that it feels like "BIG" pox; you need to get to 4 mana or play rituals.
You will have no problems reaching four mana in a Smallpox only deck:)Quote:
Originally Posted by non-inflammable
The Japanese Pox Master did it again:
http://mtgkmc.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-557.html
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Originally Posted by Fjaulnir
hell yeah. this guy is my hero
I noticed he always runs close to 26-27 lands, as opposed to the usual 24-25.
2x Lilliana Last Hope is interesting, as is 2x Phyrexian Totem - anyone have any luck with the latter?
2x Nether Void continues to the be standard for decks running void it seems like
Also the full 4 Innocent Blood but no Fatal Pushes
Aaaaaaaaaah so cool!
I have liked Last Hope (as at most 1 MD 1 SB) but that was in decks with Tombstalker main and Confidant in side :smile: I think for her to be worth a maindeck slot, her -2 should also do something in your deck.Quote:
Originally Posted by aslidsiksoraksi
Personally I have gone down to 1 Nether Void, but since I don't run Dark Rituals main it takes me longer to drop one. And maybe Japan just has more combo in its meta?
Also on a personal note, I like my 26 lands in Pox as well. I still manage to get manascrewed due to my own Smallpox effects (or colorscrewed due to Factory/Wasteland), so I wouldn't go lower than 25-26 for sure. A lot of lands are of course close enough to spells (Mishra, Waste, Maze of Ith in his case, ...) that I wouldn't count them 100% as a land.
I don't run 4 Dark Rits with my 26 lands though :tongue:
Yeah I've been running 1 LiLH and have been very happy with her as well, though I haven't been running any creatures. I feel just the threat of the ultimate is fairly strong, especially in a deck that slows the game down as much as we doQuote:
Originally Posted by Fjaulnir
That's good news, I've only got 1 Void :tongue: and there's very little combo here. He lost to combo in the finals though it looks like. Dang would have been cool to have a 1st place Pox in a big tourney.
That's a good call. I've been frustrated by missing land drops a lot lately, think I might go up a bit myself. I think the rituals are very good in his list though, with all the 3 drops. T1 Ritual Totem Thoughtseize is a spicy line too, as is T1 Ritual Totem, T2 Lili (though maybe Ritual Lili is more correct). I'm definitely gonna try out the totems with a few rituals.
BTW wanted to say i love your channel, thanks for being one of the few (only?) people regularly streaming Pox, I watch those videos religously :eek::eek:
He has some funny choices in his sideboard. I figure three Bitterblossom is useful against lands, but what are the obliterator and the fiend supposed to do?
4 Leyline of the Void》
3 Bitterblossom》
2 《Lost Legacy》
2 《Pithing Needle》
1 《Chains of Mephistopheles》
1 Ensnaring Bridge》
1 Necropolis Fiend》
1 Phyrexian Obliterator》
I figured bitterblossom was against Lands and Depths and Control matchups in general...
The Fiend and Obliterator he's had on the board for a while. Not really sure... they're good in creature-heavy matchups? If you land an obliterator against a deck that relies on bolt to kill stuff that's prolly GG. And Fiend is repeatable removal... They seem unusual to me but hey
Fun fact: his deck name translate in Google Translate as "You do not know the Pox yet" :cool::cool::cool:
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=18761&d=317341&f=LE
2 top8s in one day??? what a day to be a Pox player
still on 2x Nether Void
This guy also running the 27 land mishmash that Ryosuke runs. Complete with Spawning Pool and Bojuka Bog, though with Port and Geier Reach instead of Ifnir Deadlands. My guess is Geier Reach is there because he's also running Chains
he follows Adachi with 2x Hymn. seeing a lot of lists with less than the 4x hymn, and 2x seems really low, but I've been on 3x for a while... interesting
Mastermind's Acquisition is the spiciest thing here I think, and he's got a sort of wishboard thing going... kinda interesting
It seems like Pox is bigger in Japan (I think this was a Japanese tournament too)? I wonder why that is? Comparing these and the other Japanese lists, they seem to have a sort of core list that looks something like:
Nonlands:
4 blood
4 thoughtseize
2 hymn
3-4 ritual
4 smallpox
4 liliana
2 nether void
assuming 4 rituals and 26 lands that leaves about 10 slots free for the various mishmash of pox 1-ofs. That almost always includes at least 1 toxic deluge, 1 bridge, 1-2 scrolls, 1 crucible, 1 chains... but there are a ton of others with varying degrees of spiciness. i honestly think the idea of running a tutor in there is quite smart, letting you get the particular part of the mishmash that will break the game for you
the lands also have a set of flexes it looks like:
4 wasteland
4 factory
4 urborg
8-10 basics
1 tabernacle
but then to get to 26-7 there's a whole bunch of 1-ofs: cabal pit, maze, spawning pool, port, sanitarium, etc
thought about this way, what jumps out to me is that 10 is a whole ton of flex spots. can use those 10 spots or so to focus the deck, in this or that direction for the different metas though. and i kind of love that there is so much room but it also speaks to the fact that pox is not a finished or highly tested archetype.
anyway, nothing groundbreaking here, but just thought i'd share some thoughts.
Yes, there could be something of a Japanese school of Pox. Given the language barriers that is quite likely.
"It is a Pox deck, Jim, but not as we know it!"
Kind of wrote this mostly for myself, but just for fun, here's a tournament report from todays little weekly:
I was inspired by the Japanese lists and tried to run something similar, with higher land count and more creature-oriented removal (ie no sinkholes). My list is almost Ryosuke's, with a few small shifts (I didn't have a second Void or LiLH so I used Crucible and NoSB instead, for example). Here it is:
4 Lilliana of the Veil
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
2 Cursed Scroll
1 Ensnaring Bridge
2 Phyrexian Totem
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Night of Souls' Betrayal
1 Nether Void
4 Smallpox
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Innocent Blood
2 Hymn to Tourach
2 Toxic Deluge
1 Beseech the Queen
4 Dark Ritual
1 Fatal Push
4 Mishra's Factory
4 Wasteland
3 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
1 Cabal Pit
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Spawning Pool
1 Maze of Ith
10 Swamp
SB
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Bitterblossom
2 Tombstalker
2 Pithing Needle
2 Lost Legacy
2 Collective Brutality
1 Ratchet Bomb
Overall I really quite liked playing this list. Probably this is just psychological junk, but for the first time I felt like I was playing a tuned deck, as opposed to a bunch of cool black cards. Not that I didn't make a ton of mistakes all night, but hey. Totem was cool, though mine always got swords-ed, and more lands was actually pretty nice. My SB is more different than his - Brutality is a concession to the presence of burn at the store and I've been liking Tombstalker so I wanted to keep him around. Also I don't have the creatures he uses (and Obliterator seems weird... :eyebrow:). Anyway here we go!
Round 1: Grixis Delver
Game 1 he stalls on lands and a Smallpox puts him on nothing. I’m low on lands too, with just a Totem and a swamp. Eventually he lands a pyromancer, but I land a Bridge. He can’t seem to do much to get through, and when I drop a Cursed Scroll followed by a Liliana he just scoops em up.
SB: out 2 Totem, 2 Hymn, in 2 Brutality, 1 Tombstalker, 1 Ratchet Bomb
Game 2 gets mega grindy. He’s got enough lands to make stuff happen, but I keep killing his threats. At one point he loses a Gurmag to forgetting to pay for Tabernacle. I drop NoSB onto an empty board. the game grinds even longer but the end is near for him since almost all his creatures do nothing at this point. I start hitting him with a 1/1 factory, which is eventually joined by its brother to take the game
Games 2-0, Matches 1-0
Round 2: Sneak and Show
I hate this matchup so much and seem to constantly lose to this deck. Game 1 I think he’s on Grixis Delver so I go for Ritual Crucible so I can wasteland lock him. But he gets turn 2 Griselbrand. Innocent Blood not so good against draw-7s and free counters.
SB: out 2 blood, 2 deluge, 1 push, 1 NoSB, 1 nether void, 1 crucible, in 2 needles, 2 lost legacy, 2 collective brutality, 2 tombstalkers
Game 2 is the first game I have ever won of this matchup. We both mull to 5. I get turn 1 needle on Sneak attack. Follow up with turn 2 hymn for his show and tell. rip a second hymn to tear his hand to nothing. draw Beseech and yes I do Beseech the dark queen of Pox herself: Liliana shows up trying to keep him off everything. Then I rip Tombstalker to close it out. If everything goes right we can win? Tips on this matchup appreciated
Game 3 he has turn 0 Leyline of Sanctity. I have turn 1 Liliana of the Veil. I manage to hold him off for a bit and get a few factory beats. He drops a Sneak Attack but without mana to push anything through. He’s got two cards in hand, and I’ve got 3 mana including Urborg and a Maze. I plus Liliana, then drop another and plus it - we’re both hellbent, and I just need him not to topdeck a creature. Top card is Emrakul. Game over.
Games 3-2, Matches 1-1
Round 3: Esper Blade
This guy has to be sick of playing against me and sighs every time. I manage to consistently beat him, so I guess there’s a reason for that. Game 1 he kept a 1 land hand and gets wastelanded and loses. Don’t know why he did that against Pox but hey I’ll take the wins where I get them
SB: out 2 dark ritual, 1 fatal push, 1 LiLH, 1 Nether Void; in 2 Bitterblossm, 2 needle, 1 bomb
Game 2 I stall him a bit but he lands his own LiLH. I have to needle it since he has a swords for my totem. I drop a scroll and start pinging him a little. He gets to four lands and I have smallpox but he doesn’t have a creature so I let it go. I think in Jace matchups, keeping them off 4 lands is a priority, cuz he drops Jace next turn. I am able to sort of pressure it with scroll and factory, but he kills the scroll and swords the factory. Jace eventually takes over the game and the ult kills me.
Game 3 we go back and forth in the early turns, both just building mana. I get to 5 while he’s kind of stuck on 3. I smallpox him, he forces, and then I drop Liliana. I try to kill him with Totem but he has the swords. I then drop Pithing Needle. He has a strand and lets it resolve… I’m not sure whether to try for the stone rain or needle that giant jerk Jace. I go for the land and I think it was just demoralizing him so much cuz he just kinda crumpled, even though he drew lands afterwards. Liliana is doing her thing, but he eventually gets the Jace. Jace is too little too late though, as I have double-factory beats which kill Jace and then kill him.
Games 5-3, Matches 2-1
Round 4: Elves
This guy is new to the deck and plays very slow which is kind of frustrating but understandable. Elves is hard to play. First game he mulls to 5 while I keep 6 (my first hand was 1 of each Lili and 5 lands). I kill a few features, then set up scroll and Liliana. GG
SB: out 2 hymn, 2 totem, 1 crucible, 1 nether void, 1 inquisition, in 2 needle, 1 ratchet bomb, 2 collective brutality, 2 bitterblossom (not sure about blossoms, or cutting the discard... )
Game 2 I have a bizarre opener with ritual and double bitterblossom. I consider going for turn 2 ritual blossom, but it seems dumb, especially as i draw tabernacle. So i go for the Tabernacle plan. Unfortunately, Tabernacle can be neutered by Cradle. So in the battle of expensive lands, I ultimately lose. Misplay of the day also was using Beseech the Queen for a Toxic Deluge when I should have just gotten Wasteland. Little men beats eventually beat me, though it takes him a while. I never play a bitterblossom, worries that the life loss will hurt me too much and it won’t be worth it behind tabernacle. Honestly blossom feels bad in this matchup, and i think i'd rather have a different card.
Game 3 I go ritual LiLH, pretty much the best opener we can get against them. My hand doesn’t have double black though, and I kind of just pick off stuff and keep him slow. Eventually I get her ult, but I’ve stupidly used all my removal. He Natural Orders for Progenitus, and would be dead to a sac effect. I have 2 smallpox, but only 1 swamp. I do the math though, and with factory and the zombies I can still race him, unless he drops 2-3 elves to block with. Instead, next turn he uses another Natural Order to find Craterhoof. But Craterhoof + Progenitus is not enough to kill me, and even after a zombie dies to keep me alive, the rest swing back and take the game. Turns out Liliana is the queen of Pox, no matter which incarnation.
Games 7-4, Matches 3-1
In the end I was 7-4 in games, 3-1 in matches. Any advice on sideboarding much appreciated. Enjoy!
PS if anyone knows how to spoiler things so they don't take up so much room just let me know, I feel kind of bad clogging up the board with this stuff... :rolleyes: