[Deck] Zoo

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Originally Posted by DCTopTeam

Of course any Magic player would like to minimize the chances of having to mulligan esp when youre on the play. Having less Helix(es) would definitely help with this argument. I almost always want to preserve the T1 Nacatl, T2 Ape and spot-remove-curve etc. Plus, Helix is susceptible to Spell Snare.

I had success with just 2 Helix(es) main and I can prove it. Maybe that would convince you a bit.

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I sounded a bit harsher that I intended. I know the rules of minimizing chances of mulligans. I just find Helix too important to cut. I already find that the deck has too many 1 drops (Chalice is a bitch if you don't draw that Qasali Pridemage) and I really like gaining that 3 life. But I can actually imagine going back to 3 copies but that is because I want to fit in 2 Knight of The Reliqary in my list. And I like Helix oppose to Chain Lightning vs the ANT matchup. (I hate Orim's Chant) Two I find too little.

I had (relatively) success with 4 Helixes main. I don't think you can base any success on having left out or left in 2 cards on the whole of 60 cards. Anyway, it's just one of those personal preference things I suppose. I don't want to convince you and you don't have to try to convince me. :wink:

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Originally Posted by Nelis

I sounded a bit harsher that I intended. I know the rules of minimizing chances of mulligans. I just find Helix too important to cut. I already find that the deck has too many 1 drops (Chalice is a bitch if you don't draw that Qasali Pridemage) and I really like gaining that 3 life. But I can actually imagine going back to 3 copies but that is because I want to fit in 2 Knight of The Reliqary in my list. And I like Helix oppose to Chain Lightning vs the ANT matchup. (I hate Orim's Chant) Two I find too little.

I had (relatively) success with 4 Helixes main. I don't think you can base any success on having left out or left in 2 cards on the whole of 60 cards. Anyway, it's just one of those personal preference things I suppose. I don't want to convince you and you don't have to try to convince me. :wink:

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Thats the only problem with lots of 1cc-- Chalice; but I know that I wouldnt run into it more often because our metas leaning more on aggro. Yeah, maybe 3 can do. Havent tried 3, only tried 4 and two. I might try the 3 LHs but definitely not 4 (again).

Is there any real way to beat UW Landstill with Cunning Wish with this deck? I think I might just put some Sulfuric Vortexes in the sideboard and hope to resolve them and have them not die to explosives.

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Originally Posted by easyrider

Is there any real way to beat UW Landstill with Cunning Wish with this deck? I think I might just put some Sulfuric Vortexes in the sideboard and hope to resolve them and have them not die to explosives.

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Cunning Wish is a horrible card that ruins your sideboard. I can't believe it sees any play in a format as fast and competitive as Legacy, There are so many combo decks that are just going to steal game 1 anyway, there's no way I'd give up boarding power for some cool tech late-game game 1. But anyway, this is about Zoo:

It really depends on the build of UW more than your build. As a control deck with a broad mana curve, they have access to a lot of bombs that will just beat you, if they're willing to sacrifice other matchups. Fortunately decks like TES, Ichorid, the mirror etc. keep them honest, but if your metagame is really Zoo-heavy or they don't care and just want to beat you, then you probably should focus on other MUs.

Sylvan Library is very important in this matchup, but they sometimes have gas you just can't win through.

Postboard you have a ton of options. A lot of people pack REBs and Teeg, those both come in no brainer (shuts off Force, EE, Planeswalkers, Humility, Moat, WoG...). Both are good board cards in general.

If you need more heavy duty answers, you can always run Choke. It's not very hard to get three mana against Landstill, and you win the game if it sticks, especially if you can catch them tapping down for something.

I don't think it matters how good or bad you think the deck is (it is in fact quite good; and besides it is a lot better than nogoyf). The fact is 2-3 people play it at the weekly tournaments where I play and I would like to be able to board into something decent. Currently I have 3 Teeg, 3 Blast, and 3 Price. Also I am running 12 burn spells and 4 Lavamancers, so I should be doing better than normal Zoo builds. Most games go Wish -> Pulse -> I lose (even after boarding). I think that Sulfuric Vortex helps there.

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Originally Posted by easyrider

I don't think it matters how good or bad you think the deck is (it is in fact quite good; and besides it is a lot better than nogoyf). The fact is 2-3 people play it at the weekly tournaments where I play and I would like to be able to board into something decent. Currently I have 3 Teeg, 3 Blast, and 3 Price. Also I am running 12 burn spells and 4 Lavamancers, so I should be doing better than normal Zoo builds. Most games go Wish -> Pulse -> I lose (even after boarding). I think that Sulfuric Vortex helps there.

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You could probably also catch them with something like blood moon. If they know you don't run wastes, they might get greedy with lands. REB is also a solid solution to anything blue. Sulfuric vortex sounds good as well.

Just draw yourself down to 4 life with sylvan library. GG pulse.

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Originally Posted by hungryLIKEALION

Just draw yourself down to 4 life with sylvan library. GG pulse.

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You should have seen the look on the face of one of my friends playing Landstill. He Wished for Pulse at some point, then was intending on playing it on my end step.

I looked at my top 3 (1 useful card, 2 lands - didn't need any of them at that point) and then paid 8. He recorded the life change, then on my end step he tapped his 3 lands, looked at the life total before he announced his spell, and then his eyes went wide. Priceless.

I'm 3-0 right now at Jupiter games duel or duals... I've got some sweet SB tech to share at the end of the day, hopefully my good fortune continues.

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Originally Posted by hungryLIKEALION

I'm 3-0 right now at Jupiter games duel or duals... I've got some sweet SB tech to share at the end of the day, hopefully my good fortune continues.

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Ok, I hope you dont just share the SB because I expect an extensive tournament report as well. Good luck!

Went 5-1-1 through the Swiss, won in top 8 lost in top 4 to dream halls. I'll write a report when I get home, or some time tomorrow. I'm pretty tired and have a 2 and a half hour drive home. Currently waiting on the other semi finals match so prizes can be chosen and we can go home.

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Originally Posted by hungryLIKEALION

Went 5-1-1 through the Swiss, won in top 8 lost in top 4 to dream halls. I'll write a report when I get home, or some time tomorrow. I'm pretty tired and gve a 2 and a shalt hour drive home. Currently waiting on the other semi finals match so prizes can be chosen and we can go home.

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U're wearing a hat!
Also nice work top8'ing there.
Hope you'll write a report.

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Originally Posted by hungryLIKEALION

I'm 3-0 right now at Jupiter games duel or duals... I've got some sweet SB tech to share at the end of the day, hopefully my good fortune continues.

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Engineered Explosives?! Wow, how'd that work for you?

I picked up my English Legends Sylvan Libraries for the deck the other day. They are so hot! Only 2 more Lavamancers and the deck is complete..

I played in a recent tournament and got the wind kicked out of me. I played against combo twice with turn one kills all 4 games, then i played against Counterbalance and got my deck countered with a 2 mana Enchantment. It was pretty disheartening, but the deck is so pimp to look at now.

btw in case no one knows, zoo (played by tom ross) won the dallas 5k... he had gaddock teeg main and KoR all i know right now

Zoo did "win", but the deciding game came down to the Lands player making a 3rd mistake that resulted in a game loss, when he had all but won. I'm not trying to discredit Tom's win, he did top 8 and played well all day, but Zoo players should definitely not see this as Zoo owning Lands deck in the SCG 5K finals.

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Originally Posted by EaD

U're wearing a hat!
Also nice work top8'ing there.
Hope you'll write a report.

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One and a half hats actually, that's my ski hat combined with my visor. Thanks though ;p

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Originally Posted by MMogg

Engineered Explosives?! Wow, how'd that work for you?

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Amazingly. EE in the sideboard is something I've tried before, and I'm very glad I tried it again. As stated in my tournament report, I sided it in almost every round. I can't even begin to enumerate just how many tarmogoyfs, rhox war monks, and jittes I blew up with it throughout the day. A lot of people seem to think you'll end up blowing up your own shit, but really you rarely have more than 1 or 2 threats on the table at a time, so hitting their guys without hitting your own is not that difficult. And when you do both have goyfs for example, you just force them to answer your goyf before playing the EE out and acing theirs. Letting your opponent get goyf advantage and then acing them all also works pretty well. Any time the board position starts slipping away, EE is there to pull things back to your side. Especially when enemy goyfs carrying jittes are involved.

If you've never tried EE before, I highly advise you give it a shot. It's really good.

Edit//Report's up, btw. I welcome all feedback. http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=16101

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Originally Posted by sauce

btw in case no one knows, zoo (played by tom ross) won the dallas 5k... he had gaddock teeg main and KoR all i know right now

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zoo in th finals is more than enough. after all, it was facing a deck it is not supposed to beat. it ran two helixes main btw.

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Originally Posted by hungryLIKEALION

If you've never tried EE before, I highly advise you give it a shot. It's really good.

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I've been wondering about that actually but never tried it out. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by DCTopTeam

zoo in th finals is more than enough. after all, it was facing a deck it is not supposed to beat. it ran two helixes main btw.

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Must've been luck then. :laugh:

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Originally Posted by Nelis

I've been wondering about that actually but never tried it out. Thanks.



Must've been luck then. :laugh:

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Well, not the way you wanna win a tourney but a win is a win. Shows that Zoo is very much a DTB. I hate to admit it, but so is Loam-based decks. If not for that mistake from that kid, we'd see another Loam on top.