Which Choice is Best?

I've recently received $100 for Magic cards due to some complications involving a lost Affinity deck. I intend to do one of the following, but I don't know what would be best;

• Re-buy Affinity. This is an iffy option. Affinity isn't that great in Legacy and I never play Extended.
• Finally get a play set of Force of Wills. Force is a pricey card, if I get four of them all at once with a surplus of money, it won't feel as bad. Force would open up an entire color, but how much more of a huge investment would it require?
• Buy Ichorid. Ichorid is a good deck.
• Buy a Storm deck. I'm not sure if $100 is enough for Fetchland Tendrils, the primary deck I'm looking at with this.
• ??? Quinn is an option I guess. I'm open to suggestions.

It also may be worth noting that the only duals/fetches I have are Tundras/Flooded Strands.

post the rest of your relevant collection. Forces aren't terribly useful if you don't have the associated fetchlands and duals unless you're playing Faerie Stompy or draw-go.

Stuff for Wildfire.dec
Dragon Stompy stuff (Chrome Mox, 2 lands)
Burning Wish
Storm stuff (5c lands, Rituals, draw fours)
Extended Heartbeat Desire (Gifts and… Brain Freeze?)
Stax stuff (everything except Mox Diamonds)
High Tide stuff (all except Forces and Resets)
Tundras and Flooded Strands
And a bunch of other stuff that can’t be easily grouped in a category.

Lion’s Eye Diamonds seems like the best overall. It brings me closer to my goal of Ichoid and Storm decks.

Yeah, LEDs would be a pretty good choice.

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Originally Posted by Jaynel

Yeah, LEDs would be a pretty good choice.

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Truth. Then you could be a man and play TES.

If I do go LEDs, what money cards would I be missing for TES? I've got Chome Moxen and Burning Wishes.

2 Ad Nausem is $6-10.
4 Infernal Tutor should be under $10.
Tendrils and IGG are both a few dollars, so are Lotus Petals.

Quinn is pretty busted, I'm not going to lie. I don't even remember the last time I lost on MWS with that thing.

On the other hand, most people seem to find it grating to play, and it also makes people want to murder you.

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Originally Posted by Sanguine Voyeur

If I do go LEDs, what money cards would I be missing for TES? I've got Chome Moxen and Burning Wishes.

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Foil Japanese Orim's Chants.

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Originally Posted by kicks_422

Foil Japanese Orim's Chants.

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They're only 45$ a piece.

You could build LED-less Ichorid for super cheap which IMOP is better. However, I would buy LEDs simply because you can now play Belcher, TES, Ad Nauseam stuff. That is assuming you want to play a combo deck to begin with. Otherwise I would try to get a playset of some fetchlands if you don't already have them.

Fetches are boring. When someone suddenly gets money, they don't invest it in something practical; they spend it won something lavish like a prostitute/PEZ dispenser.

1x Moat, 2x Grindstone, 4x Scrying Sheets.


You know you want to.

Would I really have to buy the Grindstones? That and Orim's Chants are the only reasons I haven't gotten that deck yet.

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Originally Posted by Sanguine Voyeur

Would I really have to buy the Grindstones? That and Orim's Chants are the only reasons I haven't gotten that deck yet.

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You could get Endless Horizons and Belcher if you want the deck to suck.

You could run Mesa instead, I suppose, but you're more likely to lose to time and/or the random Aggro Loam/Survival matchup. Especially if you're not practiced with the deck.

Probably won't be worth it to rebuy Affinity, especially without Forces.


100 is not nearly enough for Fetchland Tendrils, which needs Underground Seas, almost by definition.

The Epic Storm runs about 200 completed, but you're likely to have some of the important parts.

I recommend lots of goldfishing of TES before you spend money on it. I know people who have bought the deck and are terrible with it, so they shelf it. Make sure you want and know how to play what you invest in.

100 in cards. i would recommend the following things if you like the following archtypes

1) combo
Buy 4 LED and 4 chrome moxes, you will not be upset and you will inevitably get the remaining important cheeper cards.

2) control/aggro control
4 Force of wills, you cannot play blue without them

3) aggro If you dont have goyfs now is the time to come up with the cash.

Other notes, ig you buy the forces save up and slowly buy the 8 U/x fetches, along with 2-4 of each blue dual and you will have the power to build alot of aggro control decks in the format.

We all know 4 tarmogoyf increase power of any deck in the format :)

so get 4 of them, and you can play aggro, aggro-control!

cards like LED/Fow/Fetch and all are not necessary when you are starting a new deck. Especially if you are not sure if you are going to stay combo forever. Goyf at least can go in a wide range of decks
Robert

Tarmogoyf will always cost more to play then it costs to buy. There are no mono-green decks, I would need to get duals and fetches to be able to use it. I'd be buying a bill for a few hundred dollars.

LED give me the options to play Ichorid until I shell out for Orim's Chants, at which point I can play Quinn or TES, then I can slowly acquire duals for Fetchland Tendrils and other 'normal' decks.

Don't bother with chants. Red blasts work just as well, if not better, against anything that Chants reliably stop - if they have one counter in hand, they are equal. If they have >1, neither's going to stop them from stopping you. I've also been randomly lucky and killed blind counterbalances with it (this works best if they mull aggressively into counterbalance as their main combo hate post-board).

Although combo can eventually get boring... although hopefully by then you'll have more money and can move on to a different deck?

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Originally Posted by Concallesco

Red blasts work just as well, if not better

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Originally Posted by yawg07

It is much easier to be act instead of react with TES.

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Pyroblasts aren't any good if you plan on using LED. They need to be in your hand and you need to keep R open at all times. Also, Ill-Gotten Gains is pretty useful for returning Forces. At least, according to people who know the deck far better then I.

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Originally Posted by Concallesco

Don't bother with chants. Red blasts work just as well, if not better, against anything that Chants reliably stop

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So very wrong. Not playing Chant just loses you the mirror.

Play Quinn. It's really good =)

You can't play Chants off LED either, so you need to keep W open and a Chant in your hand, by that argument. Besides, the only spell you really need to protect is the Ad Nauseam. IGG returning Forces is not really an issue, because the vast majority of time, if you've resolved an Ad Nauseam, you won't need IGG to make enough storm.

Although the mirror thing is a valid point. I'd forgotten about that, since my meta actually doesn't have the mirror (lol), and the only other combo deck is Solidarity, which I'm fine using red blasts against.

You know you can play Chant before you combo out right? This in itself is a powerful function as it will typically draw out any counterspells they have.

There's more to TES then, "resolve Ad Nauseam, win." Although that is possible, IGG, Burning Wish, and Infernal Tutor serve a much more important role then getting AN. Well, that's what Infernal may be getting most, but my point stands.

I just realize that if I play almost any of the decks I plan to, besides Ichorid, I'm going to have to learn to play around Counterbalance. That's something I've never had to do.

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Originally Posted by Sanguine Voyeur

I just realize that if I play almost any of the decks I plan to, besides Ichorid, I'm going to have to learn to play around Counterbalance. That's something I've never had to do.

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This is the hardest thing to do. What I recommend is find a friend who plays Threshold and play around 200 games, bu then you should be comfortable against Threshold. I've tested so much against Threshold I don't care if I'm sitting across from it.

Judging by the decks you acquired so far and the play style they have I'd guess Combo.dec is likely to bore you pretty soon.

I'd go a different route and get the Forces, this will allow you to play Landstill with few further investments (you got Tundras and Strands already, see..)
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The only other cards you'd need that cost more than 5$ would be Wraths of God.
And all the cheap goodies you'd get can be used in tons of other decks (Brainstorm, Spell Snare, Counterspell...)

Here's a list that I put together just for you (it's slightly budget style)

UW-Landstill

4 Standstill
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
3 Spell Snare
3 Counterspell
2 Humility
3 Decree of Justice
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Runed Halo
2-3 Wrath of God
1 Eternal Dragon
1 Crucible of Worlds
4 Swords to Plowshares
2-3 Engineered Explosives
1 Ponder
(37)
4 Flooded Strand
4 Tundra
4 Island
3 Plains
4 Mishra's Factory
1 Academy Ruins
1 Tolaria West
1 Dustbowl
1 optional Ux/Wx Dual (in that case 3 EE)
(23)

SB
3 Runed Halo
3 Relic of Progenitus
1 Tormod's Crypt
3 Blue Elemental Blast
2 Ajani Goldmane
2 Disenchant
1 Seal of Cleansing

Go ahead and get it!!!

I don't want to hijack S V's discussion, but I've got the same problem and don't want open a new thread for it.

As my Solidarity deck is now foiled out and Christmas has been weathered, I've got around 180 $ (130 €) to spend on paper cards.

My pool (besides Soli): 4 LEDs, 4 C Moxen, 4 Burning Wish, 4 Wastes, 4 Ports, 4 Sinkholes, 4 P. Negators, 4 D Confidants, 3 Badlands, 4 B Mires,4 W Foothills, a lot of green bastards.

Most of them are German, btw :smile:

Is there a reason to play ANT instead of TES (or the other way round)? Should I just go the UWb Landstill route?

Help me out, please.

Mongol General: "What is best in life?"
Conan: "To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."

Play TES or Ichorid.

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Originally Posted by Sanguine Voyeur

Would I really have to buy the Grindstones? That and Orim's Chants are the only reasons I haven't gotten that deck yet.

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Stuffy Doll + Guilty Conscience. You know you want to.

That looks a lot worse. I guess Guilty Conscience and Stuffy Doll is more useful then Painter's Servant, but that would mean I have to run a deck with Stuffy Doll.

There's always the DoJ combo (DoJ + lands).

Or for more combo, DoJ + Ajani (probably 3/2). Makes DoJ 2x as fast, improves the burn matchup. I'd cut an O-Ring for the second Ajani; Chalice/CB become less relevant when your kill conditions are outside it's range.

The kill condition, in Quinn, is really a secondary concern and dependent upon your metagame and what you want to do. Mainly it's control/lock elements with a resilient manabase and a flexible draw engine.

Though, generally speaking, Grindstone/Servant probably is the best option.

Still. I'd rather have the Moat and Chants and use a budget win condition than the other way 'round.

be a man, buy chalice slide.