[EDH] Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed (formerly Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon)

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Lands (36):

Cabal Coffers
Bloodstained Mire
Deserted Temple
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
26 Snow-Covered Swamp
Verdant Catacombs
Marsh Flats
Polluted Delta
Vesuva
Buried Ruin
Thespian's Stage

Acceleration (17):

Sol Ring
Mana Crypt
Gauntlet of Power
Basalt Monolith
Candelabra of Tawnos
Nirkana Revenant
Caged Sun
Mana Vault
Worn Powerstone
Thran Dynamo
Gilded Lotus
Crypt Ghast
Black Market
Everflowing Chalice
Magus of the Coffers
Grim Monolith
Burnished Hart

Card Draw/Selection (4):

Sensei's Divining Top
Memory Jar
Promise of Power
Necropotence

Tutors (13):

Diabolic Tutor
Demonic Tutor
Vampiric Tutor
Expedition Map
Beseech the Queen
Shred Memory
Praetor's Grasp
Grim Tutor
Demonic Collusion
Cruel Tutor
Imperial Seal
Increasing Ambition
Diabolic Revelation

Removal/Sweepers (15):

Damnation
Barter in Blood
Ashes to Ashes
Innocent Blood
Oblivion Stone
All is Dust
Karn Liberated
Decree of Pain
The Abyss
Spreading Plague
Toxic Deluge
No Mercy
Infest
Withering Wisps
Dread

Graveyard Recursion (3):

Yawgmoth's Will
Crucible of Worlds
Mimic Vat

Miscellaneous (11):

Leyline of the Void
Helm of Obedience
Rings of Brighthearth
Exsanguinate
Infernal Darkness
Silent Arbiter
Ensnaring Bridge
Sculpting Steel
Staff of Domination
Ward of Bones
Crawlspace

It's a pretty straightforward deck. Punish people who attack you, and control the game until you're ready to kill with:

Basalt Monolith + Rings of Brighthearth + Sensei's Divining Top/Exsanguinate
Helm of Obedience + Leyline of the Void
Cabal Coffers + Deserted Temple + Rings of Brighthearth + Sensei's Divining Top/Exsanguinate
Magus of the Coffers + Staff of Domination

Your best tutor target is usually Cabal Coffers, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Deserted Temple, Vesuva, or Candelabra of Tawnos, as these cards combine to generate an insane amount of mana in this deck. Later in the game, Yawgmoth's Will is your best bet.

Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed is a deck that relies on subtlety and your opponents being more afraid of each other than of you. There's a saying in my EDH group: "The third player to be scary wins the game." Basically, the first person who does something insanely powerful gets hated out by the other players, the second player to do so gets whatever is left of the counters/removal, but by the third time someone tries to win the game no one has enough cards left to stop them. Your goal with Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed is to be the third player who tries to win the game.

The best way to play is to sit back while building up cards and mana for the first six to eight turns of the game. Try not to do anything overtly threatening until your opponents have blown their loads. Tutor for cards like Cabal Coffers that set you up for the long game without drawing attention to yourself. Let your opponents over-commit to building up their board state then blow an Oblivion Stone or cast All is Dust. All those extra cards you drew and all that extra mana from Cabal Coffers should leave you better off than everyone else. If you're going for an instant kill like Helm of Obedience + Leyline of the Void, play and use it in a single turn whenever possible. Leaving half of a kill out there will draw attention to yourself and make your opponents target you every time you play a tutor.

As the speed in which your playgroup kills varies, you're going to have to adjust the deck to continue being the third scary person.

Looks very solid, I love decks with minimal creatures.

Any reason Maze of ith didn't make the list?

Some kind of GY hate should probably get fit in their somewhere, maybe Bojuka Bog?

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Any reason Maze of ith didn't make the list?

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If a land isn't a Snow-Covered Swamp I need a really good reason to run it. This deck uses Cabal Coffers a lot and needs a critical mass of swamps to work properly.

I run so many ways to kill creatures. Why settle for untapping them?

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Originally Posted by TheArchitect

Some kind of GY hate should probably get fit in their somewhere, maybe Bojuka Bog?

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I run Leyline of the Void and Shred Memory. I could run more, but my metagame has kind of moved away from graveyard decks.

Ya true about the maze of ith. Caged Sun will be a nice 2nd gauntlet after NPH.

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Originally Posted by Kuma

I run Leyline of the Void and Shred Memory. I could run more, but my metagame has kind of moved away from graveyard decks.

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I am an idiot. I didn't even think of using them for that effect effect haha! I was just looking at them as a combo piece and a tutor.

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Originally Posted by TheArchitect

Caged Sun will be a nice 2nd gauntlet after NPH.

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True dat.

After New Phyrexia, I'm going to make the following changes:

- Strata Scythe
- Extraplanar Lens
- No Mercy
- Crystal Ball

+ Lashwrithe
+ Praetor's Grasp
+ Karn Liberated
+ Caged Sun

EDIT:

More changes:

- Necrologia
- Temporal Aperture
- Prototype Portal
- Venser's Journal

+ All is Dust
+ Nirkana Revenant
+ Solemn Simulacrum
+ Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre

+ Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed
+ Beacon of Unrest

- Nevinyrral's Disk
- Sigil of Distinction

I want a way to get back a counterspelled Yawgmoth's Will, and Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed is about my only option. Since people keep destroying my Cabal Coffers, I want more ways to get it back besides Yawgmoth's Will and Crucible of Worlds. Beacon of Unrest lets me get back a destroyed Crucible of Worlds, while giving me lots of other options. Also considered were Ill-Gotten Gains and Grim Discovery.

After adding All is Dust, Nevinyrral's Disk was slow and redundant. I don't like cutting the Sigil of Distinction, but it's been a long time since I used it to kill someone. Anyone have another suggestion for something I could cut?

It's a little pricey, but Life's Finale can really screw someone over. I play it in my Vorosh deck and it works like a charm. It also has good synergy with Beacon of Unrest.

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It's a little pricey, but Life's Finale can really screw someone over. I play it in my Vorosh deck and it works like a charm. It also has good synergy with Beacon of Unrest.

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I don't think the deck needs more sweepers right now, but if it did, Life's Finale would be in the running with Overwhelming Forces, Decree of Pain, and Black Sun's Zenith. Each one has its advantages and disadvantages. I like that Life's Finale only costs six and has the potential to do cool things, but I like the card draw from Overwhelming Forces and Decree of Pain.

Life's Finale is the definite front-runner should I decide to add another sweeper.

Any thoughts on a better cut than Sigil of Distinction?

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Originally Posted by Kuma

I don't think the deck needs more sweepers right now, but if it did, Life's Finale would be in the running with Overwhelming Forces, Decree of Pain, and Black Sun's Zenith. Each one has its advantages and disadvantages. I like that Life's Finale only costs six and has the potential to do cool things, but I like the card draw from Overwhelming Forces and Decree of Pain.

Life's Finale is the definite front-runner should I decide to add another sweeper.

Any thoughts on a better cut than Sigil of Distinction?

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You should read the Oracle text on Overwhelming Forces...they hit it pretty hard for multiplayer magic.

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Originally Posted by Davran

You should read the Oracle text on Overwhelming Forces...they hit it pretty hard for multiplayer magic.

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Yikes! Good point.

- Kalitas, Bloodchief of Ghet

+ Sheoldred, Whispering One

There was too much overlap between Avatar of Woe and Kalitas, Bloodchief of Ghet. I stuck with Avatar of Woe because it could potentially cost two mana, had evasion, and doesn't cost mana to activate. Kalitas, Bloodchief of Ghet's ability to make creatures wasn't relevant in my testing, because the deck almost always kills with poison counters, Helm of Obedience/Leyline of the Void combo, or a huge Exsanguinate.

Sheoldred, Whispering One lets me attack creatures from a different angle, and also does potentially ridiculous things with Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed.

Hi! Very nice deck! Do you think it's playable without Candelabra of Tawnos?

@BorntoGrill: It sure is.

@Kuma: I'd definitely add Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, Ambition's Cost and Unspeakable Symbol. Also, I'm not sure if Praetor's Grasp worth it in MP Games.[/cards]

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@BorntoGrill: It sure is.

@Kuma: I'd definitely add Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, Ambition's Cost and Unspeakable Symbol. Also, I'm not sure if Praetor's Grasp worth it in MP Games.[/cards]

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Be careful with Eldrazi titans. I know this is a black deck and most mono-black EDH tends to be very board controlling, but make sure that if you run any huge fat in your deck that it's something you can handle. I'm convinced that with the printing of more and more rediculous fat creatures that the golden rule of EDH should be:

Thou shall not put any creature in your deck that you can't deal with when your opponent casts Bribery on you.

I'm actually removing Blightsteel from my Sharuum deck because I hate having to waste tutors to find bounce or Duplicant my own Blightsteel.

With Xiahuo, you can easily playout Fleshbag Marauder to prevent such shenanigans from occuring. Since they're both in the deck, Corpse Dance also becomes much more attractive as an alternate to Yawgmoth's Will. It especially combos well with 187 creatures and sacrifice effects.

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Hi! Very nice deck! Do you think it's playable without Candelabra of Tawnos?

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Absolutely. The deck's main mana engine is Cabal Coffers, and I'd say that's the only card the deck isn't playable without. I wouldn't have Candelabra of Tawnos in here except that I picked one up cheap from a LGS for $81.

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@Kuma: I'd definitely add Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, Ambition's Cost and Unspeakable Symbol. Also, I'm not sure if Praetor's Grasp worth it in MP Games.

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I've thought about adding Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, but I'm not sure what to cut, and I'm not sure the deck needs more than one Eldrazi titan. If you can suggest a reasonable cut, I'm open to trying him out.

The reason I run Sign in Blood and Night's Whisper but don't run Ambition's Cost and Ancient Craving is mana cost. This deck doesn't do much on the first few turns of the game, so Sign in Blood and Night's Whisper give me something to do on what would otherwise be a wasted turn. Lots of cards in my deck cost four or more mana, which means Ambition's Cost and Ancient Craving are competing with business spells for my time. I know it's a good idea mathematically speaking to run Ambition's Cost and Ancient Craving, but I'm not sure where they fit and they'd probably sit in my hand until the late game most of the time.

Unspeakable Symbol is too costly and too risky. Compare it to Nightmare Lash and Lashwrithe. To turn Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon into a one-hit kill, Unspeakable Symbol costs three mana and eighteen life. Nightmare Lash costs four mana and three life, Lashwrithe costs four to six mana and zero to four life. Also, if they kill Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon after you make him huge, you paid half your life for nothing and you almost certainly won't be able to pay that much life again. My equipment doesn't have that problem.

What do you mean Praetor's Grasp isn't worth it in multi-player? At worst it's a Mana Crypt or Sol Ring. At best it could be a Cabal Coffers, Yawgmoth's Will, Oblivion Stone, etc.

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With Xiahuo, you can easily playout Fleshbag Marauder to prevent such shenanigans from occuring. Since they're both in the deck, Corpse Dance also becomes much more attractive as an alternate to Yawgmoth's Will. It especially combos well with 187 creatures and sacrifice effects.

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I don't think I run enough creatures to make Corpse Dance worth it, and I'm definitely not cutting Yawgmoth's Will for it. I like the idea, but it's going to be a dead card most of the time.

I want to make the following changes:

- Mana Vault
- Thran Dynamo
- Consuming Vapors
- Mind Shatter

+ Grim Tutor
+ Buried Ruin
+ Petrified Field
+ Bojuka Bog
+ Demonic Collusion

You'll notice that that's five adds but only four cuts. I'm looking for suggestions for a fifth cut. Does anyone have any ideas?

In a deck packed with tutors, is a combo win really that fun? Helm/Void seems like a pretty boring way to win.

On a side note, for a deck that need to meet it's land drop every turn, I really like Armillary Sphere and Journeyer's Kite.

Is Memory Jar that good? I understand that it's a draw seven but when I used to play it, I typically had to throw it out there unprotected and hope it didn't get blown up for a turn in order to have mana to use the new cards.

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You'll notice that that's five adds but only four cuts. I'm looking for suggestions for a fifth cut. Does anyone have any ideas?

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Dimir Machinations since you're putting in two more tutor effects? Maybe Karn?

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In a deck packed with tutors, is a combo win really that fun? Helm/Void seems like a pretty boring way to win.

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Winning is boring?

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On a side note, for a deck that need to meet it's land drop every turn, I really like Armillary Sphere and Journeyer's Kite.

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I've given those cards lots of consideration in the past, because it's important for this deck to hit its land drops. The problem with Journeyer's Kite is that spending that much mana to hit your land drops stops you from doing anything for a long time. Once you get seven or eight mana, i.e. with Cabal Coffers, land drops become less important. My most tutored for card is Cabal Coffers followed by Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, which mitigates the need for land drops somewhat. It's not like I'm lacking cards that help me hit land drops in the first place.

Armillary Sphere might be worth a look, but right now I need to cut a card not add another one. I'll worry about trying it later.

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Is Memory Jar that good? I understand that it's a draw seven but when I used to play it, I typically had to throw it out there unprotected and hope it didn't get blown up for a turn in order to have mana to use the new cards.

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With the absurd amount of mana this deck can make, you often don't have to wait a turn to pop your Memory Jar. Even if you do and they destroy it, that's still one less piece of hate for your other cards. I like running things my opponents have to destroy.

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Dimir Machinations since you're putting in two more tutor effects? Maybe Karn?

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Tutors are the best cards in the deck. They're all pretty much untouchable. You can't have too many tutors in EDH. That's why Dimir Machinations and Dimir House Guard are in the deck. Karn Liberated might get cut, but one of my biggest problems is not being able to answer problem artifacts and enchantments. There are only so many ways to do that in mono-black.

EDIT:

I decided that the last cut is going to be Gilded Lotus. Opening post updated.

I'd recommend fitting an Infernal Darkness into your list somewhere (maybe in place of Mind Slaver?). It can buy you the time needed for a few General kills, particularly if you drop it immediately after a Wrath effect. What is the poison counter limit in Commander anyway?

Also in the offhand chance that you actually own one and overlooked it, Imperial Seal should be in the deck.

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Originally Posted by LegacyStudent

I'd recommend fitting an Infernal Darkness into your list somewhere (maybe in place of Mind Slaver?). It can buy you the time needed for a few General kills, particularly if you drop it immediately after a Wrath effect.

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I like this idea. I like it a lot. I'll see about fitting one in.

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What is the poison counter limit in Commander anyway?

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It's still ten poison counters.

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Also in the offhand chance that you actually own one and overlooked it, Imperial Seal should be in the deck.

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Yeah, I don't own an Imperial Seal. Hopefully that will change soon. It's definitely going in here if/when I get one.

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- Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
- Avatar of Woe
- Chainer's Edict

+ Infernal Darkness
+ Cruel Tutor
+ Insidious Dreams

I never won a game with Ulamog all the time he was in my deck. I got precious little out of Avatar of Woe, too. I had a hard time deciding between Chainer's Edict and Sundering Titan for the last cut. Let me know if I made the right decision.

Infernal Darkness is stupid good and will often lock your opponents out of the game for multiple turns. Unlike Contamination, it doesn't affect the amount of mana a land produces which means Cabal Coffers still taps for a billion. As an added bonus, you can get black out of Wasteland, Strip Mine, etc.

Cruel Tutor is another efficient tutor I wasn't running. Seems like it should be in there.

Insidious Dreams is probably a top five tutor in EDH and I don't know why more decks aren't running it. Gets you Cabal Coffers + Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Helm of Obedience + Leyline of the Void, Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed + Sheoldred, Whispering One, etc. If you have the cards in hand and the mana, you can also put a Night's Whisper or a Sign in Blood on top of your two-card combo and draw both pieces in one turn.

Maybe it's time to look at Ambition's Cost and Ancient Craving again.

So, how is this deck treating you so far? I'm about to run a very similar lists and want some feedback about your playstile and the rewards. I play in a very competitive metagame, with Godo, Zur and Sharuum being on top of the food chain.

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So, how is this deck treating you so far? I'm about to run a very similar lists and want some feedback about your playstile and the rewards. I play in a very competitive metagame, with Godo, Zur and Sharuum being on top of the food chain.

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Skithiryx is a deck that relies on subtlety and your opponents being more afraid of each other than of you. There's a saying in my EDH group: "The third player to be scary wins the game." Basically, the first person who does something insanely powerful gets hated out by the other players, the second player to do so gets whatever is left of the counters/removal, but by the third time someone tries to win the game no one has enough cards left to stop them. Your goal with Skithiryx is to be the third player who tries to win the game.

The best way to play is to sit back while building up cards and mana for the first six to eight turns of the game. Try not to do anything overtly threatening until your opponents have blown their loads. Tutor for cards like Cabal Coffers and Phyrexian Arena that set you up for the long game without drawing attention to yourself. Let your opponents over-commit to building up their board state then blow an Oblivion Stone or cast All is Dust. All those extra cards you drew and all that extra mana from Cabal Coffers should leave you better off than everyone else. If you're going for an instant kill like Helm of Obedience + Leyline of the Void or Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon + Nightmare Lash, play and use it in a single turn whenever possible. Leaving half of a kill out there will draw attention to yourself and make your opponents target you every time you play a tutor.

As the speed in which your playgroup kills varies, you're going to have to adjust your deck to continue being the third scary person. Right now, I find that in my playgroup I'm usually a turn too slow to win the game. As such, I've been brainstorming ways to make the deck a little faster.

You're kind of reliant on your opponents being able to stop each other. With all the creature removal, you shouldn't have too much trouble stopping Godo and Zur, but it looks like all three of you could have trouble stopping Sharuum. If Sharuum is problematic, I'd recommend running more graveyard hate and possibly Nevinyrral's Disk.

What about two or three more creatures with infect that could grab a Nightmare Lash too? also, what's your opinion on Howl from Beyond and Hatred?? Maybe it could get you a kill out of nowhere. Your opponents might not see it coming if you don't have any equipment in play.

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What about two or three more creatures with infect that could grab a Nightmare Lash too? also, what's your opinion on Howl from Beyond and Hatred?? Maybe it could get you a kill out of nowhere. Your opponents might not see it coming if you don't have any equipment in play.

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If you're playing Skithiryx like Infect Stompy, you're doing it wrong.

We don't need to run any creatures just because they have infect, because our general has infect and we can cast him and give him haste whenever we need to. Even if Skithiryx gets tucked, we have 14 tutors that can go find him. Other infect creatures will be almost always be subpar draws or redundant with the general.

I'd run Sigil of Distinction and Shade's Form before anything like Howl from Beyond and Hatred. I want cards that can kill multiple players when combined with the general, not one-and-dones. Running lots of cards like Howl from Beyond encourage you to play aggressively, and that's the wrong way to take mono-Black in competitive EDH.

Remember, the third player to be scary wins the game.

I understand your point and it makes sense. The bad part is that I don't own a Candelabra neither the expensive tutors, like imperial seal or cruel tutor. I got all others mentioned in your list though.

And I understand that going mono black control is the way to go, I also like how this deck can deal with things that normaly a pure mono black couldn't deal with, thanks to Karn, Oblivion, Steel Hellkite and All is Dust.

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I understand your point and it makes sense. The bad part is that I don't own a Candelabra neither the expensive tutors, like imperial seal or cruel tutor. I got all others mentioned in your list though.

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Don't worry, Candelabra of Tawnos isn't necessary and neither are the super-expensive tutors. Just look at some of the most recent cuts and replace anything you don't have/can't get with those.

Do you think that Boseiju is needed on this deck, maybe to protect your discards and exsanguinate kills? Counterspells are becoming a problem where I play.

Ehh, I don't think Boseiju, who Shelters All is absolutely necessary, but if you're dealing with counterspells everywhere, you could give it a shot. I'd probably cut a spell for it, as I'm always hesitant to run non-Snow-Covered Swamp lands.

There are certainly counterspells in my group, but not so many that I've considered running Boseiju. You could also try running Thoughtseize, Duress, and possibly even Inquisition of Kozilek. All three of these are very underrated in EDH and should help you out with your counterspell problem while pulling double duty.

Innistrad changes:

- Karn Liberated
- Necropotence
- Wasteland

+ Bloodgift Demon
+ Snow-Covered Swamp
+ ???

Karn Liberated was a seven-mana Vindicate. If I really wanted a seven-mana Vindicate, I'd run Spine of Ish Sah, because at least there's some upside there. I also got tired of automatically losing to Mindslaver so I cut Necropotence. Tutoring for it in a four player game usually got me killed anyway. Wasteland was never being used for its intended purpose, so I figured it might as well be another Snow-Covered Swamp.

Bloodgift Demon should be a fantastic source of card advantage while being a backup beater. I need suggestions for something to try instead of Necropotence.

Are you looking for another card advantage source to fill the role of Necropotence? I've had success with Ambition's Cost and Ancient Craving in my Xiahou Dun list. Instead of throwing another swamp into the deck, you could try either Terrain Generator or Thawing Glaciers.

Also, depending on the other decks in your meta, you might consider Sorin Markov over Mindslaver.

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Are you looking for another card advantage source to fill the role of Necropotence? I've had success with Ambition's Cost and Ancient Craving in my Xiahou Dun list.

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I'm really just looking for any good card to put in. Right now, the frontrunners are Nevinyrral's Disk, Ambition's Cost, and Ancient Craving.

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Instead of throwing another swamp into the deck, you could try either Terrain Generator or Thawing Glaciers.

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I'm not a fan of either of those lands. They take up too much mana and time.

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Also, depending on the other decks in your meta, you might consider Sorin Markov over Mindslaver.

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This deck doesn't protect planeswalkers well. When you're trying to kill with poison, putting someone at 10 isn't that great either. I'll think about it, but Sorin Markov probably isn't going in.

I really have to thank you. Infernal Darkness has been nothing short of amazing since I added it.

One question about the combo Leyline + Helm of Obedience works

The oracle says: Target opponent puts cards from the top of his or her library into his or her graveyard until a creature card or X cards are put into that graveyard this way, whichever comes first.

Well, since no cards are put into his grave, X will never be reached, and that means you will mill the entire deck?

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One question about the combo Leyline + Helm of Obedience works

The oracle says: Target opponent puts cards from the top of his or her library into his or her graveyard until a creature card or X cards are put into that graveyard this way, whichever comes first.

Well, since no cards are put into his grave, X will never be reached, and that means you will mill the entire deck?

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Exactly, but you have to pay at least one mana for the Helm activation.

So after some plays and getting used to this deck, I finally get to tune the deck as I see fit in my meta. I would definetly not cut Wastedland, people here seems to love to run Maze of Ith. I was surprised that I did extremly good on 1x1 matches. I destroyed Kaalia and Balthor decks, and after some annoying but still victorius matches against Azami and Arbiter Augustin IV, I'm definetly adding Boseju. I'll maybe add Kozilek too, people loves to mill decks these days.....

How Sundering Titan and Drana goes for you? I can see a Titan making it in, but I haven't found any useful situation for Drana yet

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So after some plays and getting used to this deck, I finally get to tune the deck as I see fit in my meta. I would definetly not cut Wastedland, people here seems to love to run Maze of Ith.

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It's funny, because after I wrote my Innistrad changes post, I won an epic game because I had Wasteland and Strip Mine to take out a Karador, Ghost Chieftain player's mana just enough to buy me a turn to kill him. As for Maze of Ith, we still have Strip Mine, Sundering Titan + Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, lots of tutors to find them, and backup victory conditions.

I'm still thinking about Wasteland. It might not get cut after all.

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I was surprised that I did extremly good on 1x1 matches. I destroyed Kaalia and Balthor decks, and after some annoying but still victorius matches against Azami and Arbiter Augustin IV,

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Skithiryx is pretty good 1 vs. 1 against creature-based decks since you run a billion ways to clear the board. Glad to hear you're doing well against some pretty powerful decks!

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I'm definetly adding Boseju. I'll maybe add Kozilek too, people loves to mill decks these days.....

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What sort of mill decks are you facing? Kozilek, Butcher of Truth doesn't protect you from Helm of Obedience/Leyline of the Void, or Oona, Queen of the Fae. It usually won't save you from Mind Over Matter/Temple Bell either, because once your opponent draws his deck he can usually go infinite mana and kill you with a Stroke of Genius/Blue Sun's Zenith, etc.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

How Sundering Titan and Drana goes for you? I can see a Titan making it in, but I haven't found any useful situation for Drana yet

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They're a little on the weak side, but they have their uses. Sundering Titan + Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth ensures you never have to blow up your own lands, and allows you to destroy lands like Gaea's Cradle, Academy Ruins and Maze of Ith. Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief is useful for her ability to kill multiple creatures. She also functions as another win condition if you get infinite mana.

You could cut either card and the deck wouldn't lose much. I haven't found anything better, but I'll take suggestions as always.

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What sort of mill decks are you facing? Kozilek, Butcher of Truth doesn't protect you from Helm of Obedience/Leyline of the Void, or Oona, Queen of the Fae. It usually won't save you from Mind Over Matter/Temple Bell either, because once your opponent draws his deck he can usually go infinite mana and kill you with a Stroke of Genius/Blue Sun's Zenith, etc.

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Basically Tunnel Vision and a Teysa, Orzhov Scion + Darkest Hour + Altar of Dementia combo. Also, I like Kozilek more than I like Ulamog. He's bigger, cheaper, gives me huge card advantage and it's easier to deal if some opponent casts Bribery on me, assuming that my only answer is a Damnation. In the end I think that's only personal preference.

I've got an Imperial Seal coming in the mail. This makes the final Innistrad changes:

- Karn Liberated
- Necropotence
- Wasteland

+ Bloodgift Demon
+ Imperial Seal
+ Snow-Covered Swamp

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Originally Posted by Kuma

I've got an Imperial Seal coming in the mail. This makes the final Innistrad changes:

- Karn Liberated
- Necropotence
- Wasteland

+ Bloodgift Demon
+ Imperial Seal
+ Snow-Covered Swamp

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Wow Imperial Seal!!!!! One day I'll work my ass out to get one for my deck and one for our Cube Draft.

So, how does your list looks like after Innistrad? Are you going to use the new Liliana?

The list in the OP is my current list. I update it every time I make a change.

I won't be using Liliana of the Veil because this deck doesn't protect planeswalkers well. Most games I'll activate her once and then she'll die. With Liliana Vess at least my one activation is a tutor. With Liliana of the Veil I'm not getting that kind of value.