Modern is official (this time for real!)

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazin...g/daily/ld/155

Read it yourselfs - Modern will be replacing Extended on the next Pro-Tour.
The Banned list (copy pasted):
Ancestral Vision
Ancient Den
Bitterblossom
Chrome Mox
Dark Depths
Dread Return
Glimpse of Nature
Golgari Grave-Troll
Great Furnace
Hypergenesis
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Mental Misstep
Seat of the Synod
Sensei's Divining Top
Skullclamp
Stoneforge Mystic
Sword of the Meek
Tree of Tales
Umezawa's Jitte
Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
Vault of Whispers

Looks interesting!

Damn they banned all the fun cards.

On a more seriouse note, I suppose this can also keep the cost of Modern decks lower. The only thing need to worry about are the shock lands.

SFM IS BANNED!

Good call though, I don't think Extended/Modern has enough tools to deal with SFM. GGTroll still being on the banned list makes me think it's got to do with what Innastrad is providing, which in some good news, hints that Legacy Dredge could have some beneficial potential cards in Innastrad.

Banned list is looking fairly decent, although I think that Bitterblossom could come off (kept in check by Punishing Fires anyway).

Aether Vial is legal?? O_O Let's do some Merfolks (replace Wasteland with Tec Edges lol)

@Ben: Play All-in-Red, don't worry about shocks :P

Looks good to me. I'm looking forward to the inevitable Modern ptq's. On the other hand, my friend who finished his set of foil Jaces before they were banned in Type 2 isnt quite so happy with the announcement.

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Originally Posted by sporenfrosch1411

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazin...g/daily/ld/155

Read it yourselfs - Modern will be replacing Extended on the next Pro-Tour.
The Banned list (copy pasted):
Ancestral Vision
Ancient Den
Bitterblossom
Chrome Mox
Dark Depths
Dread Return
Glimpse of Nature
Golgari Grave-Troll
Great Furnace
Hypergenesis
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Mental Misstep
Seat of the Synod
Sensei's Divining Top
Skullclamp
Stoneforge Mystic
Sword of the Meek
Tree of Tales
Umezawa's Jitte
Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
Vault of Whispers

Looks interesting!

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This looks like a pretty boring format without a lot of combo enablers.

the article mentioned their philosophy, which in TLDR

1) We don't like combo decks (crap ton on the banlist)
2) We hope there are no dominant decks (reason why Bitterblossom is banned).
3) We kinda don't like blue to dominant (Visions, MM, Jace)

I think WotC people like playing aggro decks lol.

They don't want to allow turn 3 combo decks? Ban mental misstep?

Lol at this format.

Being forced to attack to win is zzzzzzzzzzzz

Yeah, WotC seems to be into the "i drop my creature, then its your turn, then on my next turn i will attack you" scheme.

Beware of broken things! A player loosing is unfun! ....wait. In a 1on1, isn't there a looser anyway?

:trollface:

On a serious note, i don't see why one would ban mental misstep....

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On a serious note, i don't see why one would ban mental misstep....

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Very pissed off at this blatant attempt to kill off legacy... MM warped legacy and turned it extremely competitive. They clearly don't want kids being scared out of Modern. Have they ever banned an answer card like this? (Aside from Mana Drain, which really is both answer and utility).

On a side note, this does look like we will be getting Bob and goyf reprints in the future as this format may well be made with a low price of entry in mind.

Idiots.

"Any card with the modern face printed is legal...

Oh, not Swords to Plowshares (that duel deck shit doesn't count)
Oh, not Polluted Delta (that Judge Foil shit doesn't count)
Oh, not Mox Diamond (that From the Vault Shit doesn't count)

...But, btw, Sword of Fire and Ice counts (that Jude Foil shit is OK)"

Wonderful, now I'll never get to play some of my favorite cards from IN, OD, MM and ON blocks--which were, by and large, less busted and more balanced than Mirrodin alone.

GJ on going full retard once more, WotC.

Overextended would have been way way better. I'm sick of this shit.

Anyone else notice how they deliberately cut the sets legal so that Counterspell would still be out of the picture?

This banned list makes the format even shittier than I originally thought it was going to be. It really is just going to be standard+. There is no way I will ever play this format in this form.

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mental misstep

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Lol, what?

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Originally Posted by plus_ten

Very pissed off at this blatant attempt to kill off legacy... MM warped legacy and turned it extremely competitive. They clearly don't want kids being scared out of Modern. Have they ever banned an answer card like this? (Aside from Mana Drain, which really is both answer and utility).

On a side note, this does look like we will be getting Bob and goyf reprints in the future as this format may well be made with a low price of entry in mind.

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Modern won't be able to kill legacy. Its more like standard now than it is legacy with the ban list. there will only be a couple of dominating decks and nothing as diverse as legacy.

I wonder whether they will reprint bob and goyf.

I can see them reprinting Onslaught Fetchlands.

On the other note, what's with the Shockland Craze. Yes I get that they're fetchable and have basic land types but I think decks such as control decks are better off running Filterlands.

Does anyone know an active Modern site? I want to develop a Modern MUD (if that makes sense) aka Forgemaster.dec.

Tom LaPille: the same guy who thought NPH would fix Standard. If he had anything to do with this, it is doomed to be a failure.

mtgmodern.com looks like there could happen something, but it is really "low" at the moment.

They really aren't taking any chances on control or combo having any strength in Modern. I'm also bothered by how the article gets to Bitterblossom and openly says they can't ban more than one card without at least one of them being blue. Do WotC people like aggro? Yes. Very yes.

At first I was pissed at the banned list, because I was interested in investing some time in this brand new format. Now, after seeing the ban list, I am even happier because now I know that Modern is no threat to Legacy. Long live the greatest format ever (until people run out of money and can't afford $500 duals)!

I really like that they banned Ancestral Vision because it's good with cheap countermagic.

Sorry to repeat this, but WOW WHAT A SHITTY BANLIST.

I guess I didn't lose out much from not stockpiling shocklands.

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Idiots.

"Any card with the modern face printed is legal...

Oh, not Swords to Plowshares (that duel deck shit doesn't count)
Oh, not Polluted Delta (that Judge Foil shit doesn't count)
Oh, not Mox Diamond (that From the Vault Shit doesn't count)

...But, btw, Sword of Fire and Ice counts (that Jude Foil shit is OK)"

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So how is this really with duel deck and similar reprints that have the modern frame? Like Brainstorm or the commander cards? Are they legal? Not that I'm ever going to play that format with that banned list, just curious..
I assumed this whole "every card with a modern frame" was made to help kiddies know which cards are legal just by looking at them..now making a lot of exceptions doesn't make a lot of sense.

That's...a terrible banned list. I no longer care about this format.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I was saying Modern is joke all week long. Now I can actually point to why it's so.

R&D really needs to start playing Legacy on a more regular basis to understand what kinds of mistakes they've been putting out in recent history.

The best part was when I got to MM, and realized we're being trolled.

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Originally Posted by Metalwalker

SFM IS BANNED!

Good call though, I don't think Extended/Modern has enough tools to deal with SFM. GGTroll still being on the banned list makes me think it's got to do with what Innastrad is providing, which in some good news, hints that Legacy Dredge could have some beneficial potential cards in Innastrad.

Banned list is looking fairly decent, although I think that Bitterblossom could come off (kept in check by Punishing Fires anyway).

Aether Vial is legal?? O_O Let's do some Merfolks (replace Wasteland with Tec Edges lol)

@Ben: Play All-in-Red, don't worry about shocks :P

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Don't think Merfolk will really be that strong considering that the metagame now will look like 12post, zoo, and Bant...all decks that will probably make a traditional merfolk deck ported over to Modern cry big, salty tears. Remember Merfolk likes to see blue decks on the other side of the table...and I kind of doubt we will see a lot of blue control decks as the opponent with the banned list as it is...

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Originally Posted by (nameless one)

I can see them reprinting Onslaught Fetchlands.

On the other note, what's with the Shockland Craze. Yes I get that they're fetchable and have basic land types but I think decks such as control decks are better off running Filterlands.

Does anyone know an active Modern site? I want to develop a Modern MUD (if that makes sense) aka Forgemaster.dec.

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At Eternal Central we are getting ready for a revamp, and will be doing FULL support of the Modern format, including articles and a forum (forum is already up; no activity yet obviously so let's grow it!). I am in the process of writing a Modern article that should be up Monday!

Holy shot goyf is the single best card in modem right now. It's gonna be a 100 dollar card. Zoo and 12 post are the only tier 1 left. Blue or raped hard, but look for sleepers on gifts and fact or fiction. Those are the he's card draw left.

Btw junk is so awesome in thing format. Gsz, tarmo, kotr, bob and discard in one deck? Holy cow overpowered much? Junk basically lost vindicate, hymn and mox diamond. You can play maelstrome pulse any tidehollow sculler though.

I'm definitely interested in seeing where this will go. People hoping for Budget Legacy or Legacy Lite are probably disappointed, but that shouldn't be one format's role, to make up for another. Keep in mind, they did say they may have overbanned and that stuff may be taken off accordingly. Without knowing anything about how it will play out, i'm in a "wait and see" mode.

They banned Golgari Grave Troll? Fucking lol.

Wanna play combo? At least there's still dragonstorm :)

Wow, I didn't expect such a large banned list.

Looks like Big Naya Zoo with Punishing Fire or Jund Midrange is in a good position. And the totally made Affinity unplayable. :( I would have loved to see an old fair Broodstar Affinity deck playable.

12 'post Tooth and Nail looks to be one of the best strategies. As a result, LD Zoo looks like it could be along with the standard zoo options. As for combo options, Hive Mind is still (mostly) there and Living End is a sower, sightly worse version of Hypergenesis. Dragonstorm still works too I bet. A Rockish build should show up, it always seems to and Aggro Loam keeps most of its major components that it had when it was effective in the old extended from 5 or 6 years ago while adding a few new cards. It looks like it could be a healthy format. That being said, I think I am going to update my MOTL have wants and look for Dragonstorm stuff while they are still cheap.

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Wanna play combo? At least there's still dragonstorm :)

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Grapeshot / Ignite Memories worked, too in Standard a few years ago.

WotC's target demographic is awkward middle school kids to young adults just a hair shy of being able to buy alcohol. These are the people that buy and open all the packs. These are the people that make up most FNM nights at local stores.These are also the same people that think a counterspell or a combo deck is "cheating".

Gas prices are through the roof; the cost of food keeps going up; everyone is out of work, but people are buying magic cards left and right. When things have gone to shit, people turn to entertainment to take their mind off the pertinent issues. So WotC is doing all they can to hurl more product and incentives to those that keep them in business.

Hence the dumbed down new "intuitive" rules. Or a shit tonne of new, special, super, fun, awesome, limited, rare, ultra, foil collector's sets and duel decks and the like. Or this cheap and easy kiddy version of legacy. Maximizing profit is all that this comes down to, as that will ALWAYS be their primary concern.

Mental Misstep? What are they thinking?
#1 - A card that any color can play that counters itself...
#2 - In a format where the best lands and the only fetchable duals burn you for 2 or CIPT...
#3 - One of the best anti-combo cards ever printed...

They are worried about control in Modern? That is funny. Good luck popping off that Ancestral Visions or paying 2 life to counter a spell and still winning without decent duals, Batterskull, or Jace TMS, or Faeries...

Oh well, at least the line has been drawn in the sand. WotC has pretty much come out and said with this, "Modern is not Legacy and it's not trying to be." Good job on crushing Extended for a format people may actually care about a little. The ban list is LOL but at least they killed the correct format so I don't care.

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Originally Posted by CorpT

Tom LaPille: the same guy who thought NPH would fix Standard. If he had anything to do with this, it is doomed to be a failure.

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I'm inclined to agree, he seems like a very stereotypical EDH player in terms of wanting to define what's fun by calling everything better than the decks he likes to play unfun, and then banning them.

Pretty sure they missed a very strong combo deck.

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Originally Posted by emidln

Pretty sure they missed a very strong combo deck.

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Which would be?....

You can play Second Sunrise.dec I guess..

And Dragonstorm without Dragonstorm?

Dragonstorm was in TimeSpiral -> check it out, its legal then ;)

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Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin

I'm inclined to agree, he seems like a very stereotypical EDH player in terms of wanting to define what's fun by calling everything better than the decks he likes to play unfun, and then banning them.

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Tom actually is a complete Spike. The MTGO Classic community invited him and Eric Lauer to play in their own format, and Tom brought Combo Oath. He has a keen awareness of developing formats - but remember that his role is Development, and not Design.

He has posted in our forums before regarding quashing the stale evolution of Legacy and how the more fit strategies will survive and overtake the weaker ones.

That said, I think R&D is just being overly cautious with Modern for the time being due to the high risk of putting it front and center for PT Philly.