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Ok, so this a thread for a bitching about all things related to the personal managment of the game.
What do you hate most about Magic? For quite some time I hated the need to sort the cards, but as my collection shrinks and shrinks, this is less of a concern. Otoh, my new source of annoyane are the bank fees associated with all the trafficking of cards. Also, the expenses (both time and money) associated with tournaments are pretty bothersome.
Bitching starts in 5, 4, 3, 2...
truly it's the sorting of the cards.Jumping back into the game after a few years of absence, this is giving me some kind of punishment for putting the cards aside for so long -_-' although, now I get to see my entire collection and get a number in my head of how much it's worth ( wich is actually alot more than I thought xD )
Trading. I HATE trading. Everyone is so goddamn stingy that they absolutely must make up that 47 cent difference in the $150 trade. Almost everyone has shitty standard cruft to trade and insists that dual lands and fetch lands are within their reach. It's far easier to trade my dollars for cards.
This exact thing has irritated me to no end recently. It's to the point I stopped bringing my binder to events unless I'm looking for a specific card.Quote:
Originally Posted by barcode
I bring it, yet I nearly never take it from the bag...Quote:
Originally Posted by [SLAYER]chaos
Fully agree. What a pain in the ass was trading at the BoM ... everyone wanted to make 20€+ out of a 80€ trade. Equal trading impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by barcode
trading is my big thing, I do love it when I can get extra value but its not a big deal but I hate those traders who seem that every trade has to be in their favor. Not even but like 10% or more for them to trade. Regardless of what people say Zendikar fetches etc are legacy staples and no reason why I should have to trade 2 scalding tarns [NM] for 1 badlands [SP] (for example it was something like 2x value for a badly played dual for my fetches) Or when I post something for trade and people want to offer me buy list prices or even less for my item and then get offended because they were doing me a favor.
I dislike the average tournament participant.
things that bother me in no particular order
-the ratio of sweet decks I want to play vs. number of tournaments in which to play them
-I work saturdays, 95% of tournaments worth attending are on saturdays (this may be more a complaint about my job)
-the logistics of getting cards for events, especially standard where I flip flop on deck choice more frequently, but more often don't have the cards for a particular deck
-when all my friends want to do is test constructed, and all I want to do is team draft, or vice versa
-when I want to trade for 1x [$10 standard mythic rare] and my trading partner only pulls out fetchlands+
-tournaments in Worcester, MA. fuck that shit city
When a card I want isn't in the old frame.
The direction the game has gone with creatures.
The lack of social skills/hygiene a good portion of the community seems to own (less of a Eternal issue, which thankfully are the only formats I play).
The general sense of entitlement that players seem to have, along with their belief that they are owed things.
The lack of promotion and support by WotC of their Eternal formats.
Yup, trading is usually a completely miserable experience. The cards -> $ -> pimp cards route is much better than dealing with people trying to 'value trade' you constantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by barcode
In regards to the trading problem, I just bring cards that I care nothing about (aka no duals, fetches, etc). My collection is pretty well rounded, so I basically do small EDH trades now and just buy any cards I absolutely need.
My grievances:
1. The guy with the "bad" deck giving you pro tips about some aspect of the game. Oh, shit you're right! If I had 4x of some random unplayable in my board I totally would have won that. Silly me for not metagaming against your pile. Also in this category is Mr. "Still had all these" and Mr. "good game" when the game is clearly not yet over.
2. Trading. I'm somewhat guilty of this myself...but as soon as you start grabbing cards, out comes the smart phone. I can deal with wanting things to be equal. What I can't deal with is you double checking me, like my app that pulls from TCG player is somehow inferior to yours. Yep, you caught me bro. I'm just trying to rip you off for $0.50 in EDH chaff.
3. Slow players when there's no cause for slow play. This is more of a MODO thing...but still. It's turn 0, why the hell are we stopped on my upkeep for 3 minutes? Yep, it's my combat step and I have no creatures in play. Can we all move on please?
4. Jerks in general. Take, for example, the kid I beat a few weeks ago with my "casual" deck (his words) who was "used to the PTQ meta" (also his words). What he wasn't used to was showering, or being an otherwise friendly person. Also in this category are morons who can't respect women whether they're present at the tournament or not (there's a reason you're single, bro), people who "rape trade" little kids, the person who's laughing at the guy attending his first FNM because his deck isn't all that great...you get the idea.
5. When you really want to try out some deck, but there's either no tournament that you can attend or you're missing some key component to make it work.
6. Bulk. If 50%+ of people are literally throwing card X in the trash, what was the point of even printing it?
I hate real life sellers who asks for lot more than online prices. Why should i pay 50$ for something i can find for 40$ shipment included?
I miss the old days of trading when things were quoted in terms of duals (i.e. that rare is worth 2 duals or that is only have a dual). Duals were treated pretty much equally, actually Taiga was preferred in my circles because it was a "first-turn combo" with Kird Ape.
I hate players who think everytime they win it's because of their prodigious skill and when they lose, it's because you got lucky or they got screwed, etc.
Between working full time and a girlfriend, finding time to actually attend an event has become something that frustrates me. Yes, theres MTGO. I don't want to sit at my computer for 3+ hours after getting out of work. I would rather interact with people and relax.
Hey fellas. I wish to inject some zen into your Magic-playing lives.
This is actually entirely by design. Richard Garfield is on record as saying that he believes a game that gets people to feel this way keeps players coming back for more.Quote:
I hate players who think everytime they win it's because of their prodigious skill and when they lose, it's because you got lucky or they got screwed, etc.
This has a simple solution. If you look through someone's stuff and they have only Standard stuff to trade, you only offer Standard stuff back. If they insist they can match value with your out of print and reserved list stuff, value their Standard stuff as it should be to a Legacy player: very little. If they don't see things your way, these are not people to trade with. But make your position clear from the beginning. You don't see things rolling this way? Me neither. If I did not buy the card before it skyrocketed to ridiculous Standard prices, I have to wait until it rotates out. So I wait, and I have nobody to blame except myself.Quote:
Trading. I HATE trading. Everyone is so goddamn stingy that they absolutely must make up that 47 cent difference in the $150 trade. Almost everyone has shitty standard cruft to trade and insists that dual lands and fetch lands are within their reach. It's far easier to trade my dollars for cards.
I typically encounter one person per event whom I do not care for. By and large, I really like the folks I have encountered over the past few years. Legacy is the best format for this. Better even than Vintage, I think. If you are routinely running into punk-asses or creeps, just keep in mind that you are better looking than they are, and that you could easily bang their mom if there was any way in hell you could get it up while looking at her.Quote:
I dislike the average tournament participant.
A thread for complaining, just the thing I needed! :)
Here's my list:
- Difficulty of making it to events due to work/conflicting obligations/lack of energy/difficulty of explaining how I want to spend a whole Saturday doing my own thing to wifey (in case of large events)
- Occasional man boys, immature trust fund adolescents whom I have to socialize with to play a game every now and then. Having to put up with all sorts of immature and arrogant, comments, format discussions and general unpleasant and/or childish behavior from these individuals.
- Continuous deterioration of the game due to radical changes from Wizards and the shrinking space (meaning formats and variety of decks) for me to enjoy the game.
- Seeing how this MaRo guy sees and tries to treat the whole Magic community as a 10 y.o., seeing the parental arrogance in his every speech/declaration and the way he tries to feed us bullshit every time. Frustration and confusion when a large portion of the community thinks there's nothing wrong with it.
- Urgency of Magic expenditures (over other real life needs) due to ever-present potential sudden price jumps in the Magic singles market.
Wow that took a load off my chest :D
I stopped trading years ago, so no complaints about that department. However, since I'm now in the process of building a Cube, the amount I have to sort, bulk, and price is a daunting task. Holy fucking shit when did I acquire so much MTG cards? /wrist
What bugs me is the guys that have power in their trades folder, then try and rip you when they trade with you so they can get at lest a 15% profit on the trade. No joke, there are 3 people local that fit into that category.
Their justification when you pull them up on it? "Oh well you don't get ahead trading equal". My favourite part time has become looming though their folders, pulling out all the cards I want, then when they try and rip me I leave them to put all of them back again.
I just hate the tedium of sorting. I really haven't had many bad experiences with the other stuff.
People at Legacy events, even huge ones, tend to be a little older, a little more laid back. The only time I really run into pricks are at competitive limited/standard events.
Trades don't bother me, because I really don't bother unless I know someone is looking for something I'm down to part with. If I trade locally, it's someone I'm on good terms with so we generally work out a fair deal even if prices aren't totally even. I just don't trade eternal/reserved list stuff for Standard things. Like Finn said, just make your position clear from the start and don't feel bad if something doesn't work out.
As for sorting, part of me wants to go back to the old days of just "sort by color/rarity, jam in a box" rather than trying to alphabetize and get rid of excess copies, but then finding anything when you need it is such a pain.
Trading sucks depending on who you do it with. But i have recently found that selling and then buying is much easier. I'm fine with the "value" traders as long as we both are in agreement as to what is going on. Dont try to pull it on me halfway through the trade.
And Legacy players are generally fine. I have no issues with my general crowd. Even Star City events in legacy tournaments I think I have only met 2 guys who I didn't like too much (one being the guy who said "fuck this game" after I T1 Knight of the Reliquary and T2 Chalice for 1 vs his delver deck, the other just being a prick).
My biggest complaint at this point really is just that my area has no big tourneys outside of SCG's despite having a very large player base :(
Also I just saw the poll about long tourneys... Those are the most fun to me! It gives me a reason to play against (hopefully) a bunch of different decks!
The only thing I hate is when people bitch about being mana screwed after keeping a 6 or 7 card hand. Then when I remind them of the thing called a mulligan their response is always "Well I can't possibly win with 5 cards to your 7". No morons, you can't possibly win keeping a one lander in Theros draft. I've won a game of Legacy on a mull to 3, and I've won in draft quite a few times on a mull to 4. Most players I watch will never go below 5 cards and then they cry about having to mull so much after keeping a garbage hand.
TL;DR- Learn how to fucking mulligan.
Agree on both of these. We're hopefully on the way to bigger events now that there are two weeklies again. We'll see how things go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
Long tournaments are fun to me but I can see how it would wear on people. I love playing counterbalance for 10 hours, but maybe I'm a bit strange...
Eh as long as you arent grinding long tournies weekly. I mean, no one is forcing you to play in the tourney right? You are allowed to drop at any time!
Pretty much any time I have to block I get bummed out.
The guy that runs the drafts at Zombie Planet is a waste. He smells terrible (even for a nerd), he doesn't know any rules so it's basically a free for all, and he talks like a jerk ass eighth grader.
Incompetent judges. Judges that make jokes while they are giving you a ruling during a serious tournament. Judges that make tons of god awful nerd jokes.
Drew Levin
The fact that you should get DQ'd because dumbfuck opponent didn't rtfc and can't figure out that high tide is symmetrical.
The fact that you can get banned for life for striking someone, but cheating all day every day gets you like 18 months.
The whole "gentleman's" mentality (can't think of a better name?). OH GEEZ, UR PLAYING EGGZ, WHAT AN AZZHOLE, PLAY A REAL DECK. WINTER ORB??? ******!!
Thieves. The fact that there are probably thieves on this very board. The fact that some poor bastard got killed for his collection.
Hiding the fact that I play this shit from my non nerdy friends. Hiding the amount I've paid for this shit from my nerdy friends.
People that play slow as fuck. Especially if it's because they're wicked high while still in contention.
Most tournaments don't have the space needed for the amount of players. Some locations do have enough space, they just do a poor job of allocating it.
Good ol' gamer smell
I feel like a lot of times I'll try to buy a soda during a tournament and get cut in line. Get your head out of your ass.
I think it's real bad that hatebears.dec is a viable strategy. The way shit is going hatebears are only going to get stronger, while the hated aren't really getting any tools to deal with the fuckers (does this make sense?)
Overly chatty, but unfriendly opponents. Cocaine?
Getting fucked by breakers is always gross. Especially when you're like X-1-1.
/rage
edit: since when does this site censor?
What do I love about Magic?
The Community.
You've exceeded your RAGEmeter allotment.Quote:
Originally Posted by clavio
Ive never been censored. I personally don't hide it from my non magical friends. I just dont give a shit. And Im fine with telling them about how I own almost 2k worth of cardboard (LOOK AT ME SO MUCH COMPARED TO YOU GUIZZZ I BET). It's whatever. I have unfortunately told friends that I don't feel like going out to watch a falcons game because I have a magical tournament that demands my presence. According to them I am quite the raging homosexual. :wink:
exhausting inefficient time consumption
- basically any serious interaction with cards, this includes most of the OP and Scrooge Mcduck card diving
+ continuous struggle between hatered, disgust and passion for the game as I strongly dislike its development trend
+ looking at new border cards (and now again)
+ dealing with idiots
Doing business without professionals, whether that's trading or buying/selling. Basically, the player to player economy is really shoddy, even amongst friends.
[cue anecdotes]
-When I first started off, I bought a casual spider deck from a friend for $20. Needless to say, the only playable cards in it were basic Forests.
-Trading is an absolute nightmare.
-Why would I barter with other players when I could just promote my LGS while getting discounts and such for other materials? Seriously, I think I've got about $100 worth of free sodas, sleeves, etc. just by getting what I need at the store.
I think my biggest grievance is speculation on the "MTG Stock Market". It's a giant circlejerk where people think listening to a podcast or reading Quiet Speculation makes them a big player, when in reality, the market is completely controlled by the big players like Starcity. All this speculation does is train people to snapbuy cards in huge quantities based on "generally" uneducated opinions. 2.4% increase? Better pull out the fucking credit card and artificially inflate card prices.
I have no problem with cards being expensive and I understand businesses need to make money. I have a problem with neckbeards thinking they are making Wall Street style, legitimate investments in a children's card game.
EDIT: also mtgsalvation. fuck that place.
I hate people who 'value trade'. I mean ... it's a synonym for not give you what your cards are worth.
I hate people who trade period. It's miserable. Except RHBM.
I hate people who play legacy and complain about not knowing what cards do. Fuck you. It's legacy.
I hate people who immediately after I cast one spell or play one land as a special action announce some deck I'm playing the CSV or RSV or another internet hero of theirs wrote about.
I hate Griselbrand.
I hate revised cards.
I hate standard.
I hate sealed.
I hate wind drake.
I hate stuff like Fiendslayer Paladin. It's an open letter to the standard sheep that they have to buy a shitty version of an old card -- just because -- rape you for your dollars.
I hate poor people who play magic. If you're poor go do something that contributes to you not being poor and stop complaining about not being able to read my signed Russian Bobs.
I hate modern masters.
I hate Emrakul.
I hate people who think a GG is an Emrakul or Griselbrand cheated into play. I don't care that you re doing it because it's all you know how to do, or you want to win but I mean ... we didn't have an interesting game so don't extend the shake. I'll tell you to choke on a herpes sandwich.
I hate signatures in black sharpie.
I hate punishing fire.
I used to hate Tarmogoyf, but then they printed Griselbrand and Emrakul.
I hate that Black Vise is banned.
I hate the internet.
I love you Sean.
Shit man, you need more beer.
Oh and other than Wind Drake, Goyf and Vise, I agree with you on pretty much everything.
I hate the smell.
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