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From the spoiled Maro article, we know that DTK is about allied color combinations.
The first card spoiled is irrelevant for Legacy.
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The spoiler season starts tomorrow, so it's time for a thread.
Click for spoiler overview
From the spoiled Maro article, we know that DTK is about allied color combinations.
The first card spoiled is irrelevant for Legacy.
Allied color combinations sure makes it seem like we'll be seeing the Ice Age painlands in DTK or M16 (M16 is the last Core Set, right? Or was M15 the last one?).
M15 was the last "core set". This years' filler set before switching to the two-block model next year is Origins, which is basically a planeswalker circlejerk.
Since DTK and Origins are going to be their own "block", I could see some allied color support happening in those sets land-wise.
I guess it depends what marketing you read as to whether Origins is a "core set" or a "stand alone set".Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
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Originally Posted by http://icv2.com/articles/news/view/30827/m-tg-magic-origins-core-set
Basic lands will never be irrelevant! :tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Because God forbid Black get a decent board wipe or something, heh. How weirdly over-conditional.
"When this ETB, **IF** you didn't shenanigans it into play **AND** your opponent overextended, Duneblast."
Not just overextended . . . Massively overextend. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by TsumiBand
Imagine the feel bad if you have an empty board your opponent is staring you down with 4 creatures and you . . . top deck this. :frown:
I believe it counts itself when it enters the battlefield so opponent having 4 creatures is what you want. :smile:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
This could happen with UB Control vs Mono-Red; of course living to have seven mana to cast the Dragon might be unlikely...
Eh yeah I mean it will count itself and whatever you control too, so it isn't entirely on the opponent to control a bunch of dudes, but like why you gotta Wraff yourself too.
Also I guess probably Kaalia is a thing in EDH* and it's not great if she gets a 'before blockers' Wrath effect, or something. Guess Archfiend of Depravity will have to suffice.
It's weird because players tend to bitch about enablers, right - Emrakul isn't the problem, Show and Tell is the problem - and so the ways in which Wizards plays it safe is weird when the creature is already "enabler-proofed". It's like... big stupid beaters with Annihilator 7 and whatnot are disliked for being too good with cheatyface cards, but like anything that's clearly created to not work with cheatyface cards just end up schlocky like this weird dagron over here. There's no median! Poooooooooop
* - by which I mean, kids hate Kaalia because they have no idea how Magic works and she's just super unfair because she puts big guys into play and meanwhile some mono-green deck is like "...so turn 2 sacrifice Arbor Dryad to Natural Order for Vorinclex" and kids be "oh sweet" because hey it's Forests
opps - didn't see that it counted itself.
Also more cards up!! Rebound is back!
Exploit is pretty dumb as an ability - and Megamorph is even dumber. . . edit: and formidable is dumber still. . . .
The (unofficial) text on the spoiler says "five or more other creatures..."Quote:
Originally Posted by lyracian
Rebound (mechanic from Zendikar/Alara?) is back and in Jeskai.
http://mythicspoiler.com/dtk/cards/s...deadvizier.jpg
A breakthrough in terms of getting ETB Demonic tutor effects. I believe Sidisi 2.0 can exploit itself to get the search trigger.
http://mythicspoiler.com/dtk/cards/d...rdsilumgar.jpg
Steal your Jace/Liliana/Ugin?
Megamorph seems fine as far as what it does, it is just an unnecessary stupid name. They could have left it as just 'morph' and added the text granting the counter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
I mean, why not use really ferocious instead of formidable? Doesn't WotC want new players to understand the two are related? How else will they know that? :eyebrow:
I mean that's why its so dumb . . . its completely unnecessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew
As for formidable . . . it's so ridiculously win more that I don't understand how it works as a whole mechanic.
They needed a mechanic that encourages over-extending so the set promo is slightly better than worthless! :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
And then, the dumbest fucking thing to ever be printed in a TCG.
http://i.imgur.com/kVIKKpF.png
I was digging around and I just found this art, must be for a new card in this set:Quote:
Originally Posted by iamajellydonut
http://i.imgur.com/lBo8NRv.jpg
Wrong artQuote:
Originally Posted by H
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...4-NA-SR-UE.jpg
Well done, men. Pack it. Ship it. Sell it.Quote:
Originally Posted by H
Correct, as this particular use was described in one of the articles from the Mothership website. So yes, Exploit can be used on the creature itself with the keyword.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawon
My assumption is that this means we will get a whole bunch of Black/maybe Blue/possibly Green creatures with Exploit (since Exploit seems to be coming from the Sultai clan) that essentially have classic Spells attached to their body -- which is 'powered up' if you can exploit a cheaper creature/token you already have, and can be especially powered-up if you have some method of recurring the ability via Flicker effects or similar.
It's not too far removed from Evoke as a mechanic, wherein a classic Spell happened to be linked to the body of a creature; the problem here is that it looks like you can't get the Spell effect at a reduced rate minus the body, as the only choice presented is whether you keep the Exploiting creature or end up tossing an alternative creature already on the battlefield. So for example, there's no way to get Demonic Tutor at a reduced rate here, instead you still have to pay a minimum of 5 mana, 4/6 deathtouch body or no.
As for any potential Legacy applications of this mechanic, I'm not so sure as it seems like more of a Limited (draft/sealed) type of mechanic that will probably be attached to higher costing creatures. However, a card like Bitterblossom is one method of feeding the mechanic without having to lose the attached creature with Exploit, so if there happens to be a particularly powerful effect attached to a powerful-enough body at a reasonable cost, this might be one method getting the best of both worlds without having to chuck your own precious Deathrite Shamans.
edit: Just based on looking at the two creatures spoiled here, perhaps in Limited Blue will have a lot of temporary Steal ("Control Magic-esque") effects, and then Black will have Exploit, wherein you end up sacrificing the opponent's temporarily stolen assets -- while this doesn't quite fuel your graveyard for Delve, it *does* provide a nasty/semi-clever method of removal in the Blue/Black realm. Not so sure if Green will inherit anything from 'Sultai', as it appears that they are limiting this set towards being Ally-colored... so anything 'clan' related will likely be in fractured terms.
There's an Easter egg in the rules article that shows you the developer notes for the mechanics. This is what it says:Quote:
Originally Posted by iamajellydonut
D1: new morph mechanic, makes creatures BIGGER!!!1!!1
D2: need new name for this morph mechanic.
D1: how about MEGAMORPH!
D2: we need something that doesn't sound like a Pixar movie, any other ideas?
D3: guys, it doesn't matter what the hell we call it, people will just buy this shit.
D4: he's right, plus, think how funny it will be when people have to spend months on end saying megamorph and trying to pretend it doesn't make them sound like an idiot!
This is probably my favorite take on the matter, and it's the first one I went to. It reminds me a lot of Trey Parker and Matt Stone commenting on the gratuitous sex scene in Team America and how it gave them immense joy just to have MPAA repeatedly watch a variety of lewd and obscene acts performed by puppets.Quote:
Originally Posted by H
Casters are going to have to seriously say "Megamorph" for the better part of the year thanks to some asshole with a brilliant sense of humor.
You cast it as a simple morph, so you say "I cast a morph". When I flip morphs or then megamorphs most of the time I say "I flip this". (Well, maybe I should note that English is not my first language. ;) )Quote:
Originally Posted by H
I'm generally not one to complain about the game, because in the end, it really is a kids game, but man, it seems like lately they have really been phoning in a whole bunch of stuff. From art to mechanics too.Quote:
Originally Posted by iamajellydonut
I get that everything can't be a home run, but some of this new stuff is worse than a check-swing dribbler where you pretend to come up with a pulled hamstring a quarter-way down the line...
You may be wrong from a rules lawyer perspective... Morph and Megamorph are two different mechanics. If you play a megamorph creature face-down for 3 and say "I play a morph creature", are you technically providing your opponent with false information?Quote:
Originally Posted by joven
Edit: Also, is 'unmorphing' actually a thing? Or is it always just morph? The only thing better than megamorphing is unmegamorphing!
This gives me hope for a "SuperStorm" or "HipperThreshold" ability in the future)))
Read the cards and/or the rules (e.g. Article 'Mechanics of Dragons of Tarkir' on DailyMTG). Megamorphs are cast as normal morphs and just get a +1/+1 when you turn them face-up by paying their Megamorph cost. You even use the normal Morph marker card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew
EDIT: I think they said it is intentional that you can't differentiate between a facedown morph and a facedown megamorph. And I think that makes sense, although morphs and megamorphs won't really meet in Limited.
And I don't think there is a thing called 'unmorphing'.
Funny, but I think you mean "HyperThreshold".Quote:
Originally Posted by Spam
Even chain with Rooftop Storm,...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawon
Megamorph is one of those names that feels like it came out of R&D testing some "morph with a twist" mechanic and were unable to come up with a better name than the test name. Here's hoping for more quality technology such as Kithkincycling, Hyperbuyback, Kickerer, Thrashold, Helldjent, and others!
Having said this, I do like the guy that flips into a 3/2 and counters target instant/sorc. He's not beast mode good, but I'd love to be able to play something like Fish in Standard, just to be That Effin Guy, and he's about on par with what I'd expect a 'nu-Fish' character to be. No I'm not saying he's Legacy-good, just that it appeals to me.
The black creature demonic tutor seems good in food chain right ?
and in commander maybe
I mean, it's not like Rune-Scarred Demon doesn't already exist. Slightly different mana costs, sure, but when you're getting into the realm of 5-7 mana I feel like some of the differences blur.
Exploit has potential, but the problem for its Legacy playability is that it most likely costs much more than the original spell, making it essentially unplayable in Legacy. I wouldn't say no a few nice GSZ targets.
That said, one thing that bothers me about the flavor: How can you exploit yourself? :really:
On a different note:
I don't get the bitching about Megamorph.
It's clearly a story tie-in to Return to Zendikar, because after 10000 years, the Eldrazi broke free. And now Wizards tries to broaden their audience by recruiting teenagers with attitude.
How can you not love it when people scream "It's morphin time!" or "We need Megamorph power right now!" all the time in Draft?
Official DTK Theme
PS : This also confirms that Return to Zendikar is going to feature a variant of the level up mechanic since they can't pass up the chance for Standard to make people scream "Make my monster grow!".
I'd say your Dragonlord does that for you. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Where is it written that Exploit is always meant that the creature with the Exploit ability is exploiting others. It could also imply exploitability.
Also, you could sacrifice yourself for some cause or do something like overworking yourself, not taking care of yourself and just overly focusing on the task till you die.
Yeah but Sidisi 2.0 can self-sacrifice, so you've got Johnny combo fest going on with, like, all kinds of shit. Athreos? Phyrexian Reclamation? Err... Nim Deathmantle? :/ Anything that can play with the graveyard and wouldn't mind some way to recur a tutor without also having to assemble a tertiary sacrifice outlet, I suppose. It turns any number of 3-card combos involving creature recursion into 2-card combos, and that is a good thing. (depending on who you ask)Quote:
Originally Posted by iamajellydonut
I've seen RSD sparingly in stuff like ICBM Oath but that's Vintage, and for my part I've wanted to shave some off the top of RSD's casting cost in EDH in a lot of my 'less unfair' brews.
There won't be any GSZ targets. Exploit will only be on blue and black cards because it's the Silumgar mechanic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Also, there was already an opportunity to scream, "Make my monster grow!": Monstrosity, in Theros block. It's even in the same Standard as megamorph!
As for the mechanics:
Lots of derivative stuff here. Exploit feels like it's just an awkward way to word EtB effects so that other cards can care about it ("When a creature is exploited, do X"), but I don't see there being a ton of room for cards like that in two colors in this set - though there will likely be some at uncommon to act as draft build-arounds. Megamorph is a letdown, but I don't see where they could have taken regular morph that wouldn't have been confusing, wordy, gimmicky, or some combination of the above, and megamorph at least gets points for having a clean execution. Rebound coming back is interesting if for no other reason than the fact that the Jeskai/Ojutai are the only clan to not get a fresh keyword at some point in the block. They said they specifically avoided doing that for the Ravnica guilds in RtR because players would be mad if their guild got shafted with a returning instead of a new keyword, so I wonder what changed their math here. Rebound is still fine; one of my favorite draft decks of all time was a Grixis Control deck from Rise that made great use of rebound removal spells, so I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with it here. Formidable is so whatever I had to look up the card to even remember what the mechanic is named, but in that respect it's a good follow-up to ferocious, so at least they're consistent.
Bolster and dash are known quantities.
None of the cards spoiled today are realistically Legacy-playable, although Dragonlord Silumgar might make a splash in Standard control builds that have ways to protect him from all the removal floating around right now. Also - amusingly - if you zoom in on the art, Silumgar appears to be wearing a now-mummified Tasigur as a necklace.
This is awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggro_zombies
http://media.wizards.com/2015/images...dF4BEx30Wj.jpg
As for the RtR guild things, they probably backed down since their mechanics were extremely subpar compared what the original Ravnica had to offer. Plus, people were pretty pissed that some of the guild mechanics worked poorly with the original mechanic.
I would take good cards with reused mechanics over new crap that's horrible every day.
I think Stratus Dancer will see play in UWx control (not miracles.) Even if it's a bit slow, card advantage and evasiveness are great, and SFM neutralizes the problems of having the front side of it be just a 2/2. Not to mention that your stapled-counterspell is very difficult to counter. Could this be the first legacy playable morph creature?
I'd note that having what is essentially a mediocre mid-range beater that happens to have legs against late-game combo is pretty sweet. Seems good against Miracles and I'd relate it to blue's Aven Mindcensor (I.E. not the most standout card out there, but an evasive generalist mid-range guy)
I guess the main argument against him is that's probably Clique's spot, and Clique is likely to be better. Anyway, I could see myself trying it out.
Exalted Angel was playable once upon a time.Quote:
Originally Posted by tescrin
Also, this guy just flips up into an Insectile Aberration, which isn't great when you could run Delver and have that body turns earlier. I don't think a better Spell Pierce is necessarily worth having a three-mana 2/2 body that you probably can't play until turn five.
I agree with Aggro_zombies.
5 mana for a mere Delver isn't that great. As for the CA, we already have enough cards in Legacy that cost 3 mana max to generate one-time card advantage. 5 mana just doesn't cut it.
I'm actually fundamentally disappointed Megmorph wasn't
Ultramorph X - Cost (You may cast this card face down as a 2/2 creature for 3. Turn it face up any time for its ultramorph cost and put X +1/+1 counters on it.)
Still would have been stupid - but would have, at least, much more design space.