Chateauneuf-du-Pat AOC (Eladamri's Vineyard/Turntimber Symbiosis/Eureka)

I almost never play on mtgo, but I tried a lot of decks when I had the token recently. One deck which went well (4-1) was this one built around abusing Eladamri's Vineyard and to a lesser extent Turntimber Symbiosis which can be hardcast using vineyard or cast off omniscience when not needed as a land. The idea is this deck breaks the symmetry by using GG better than anyone else (even other Oko decks) to do crazy things on turn 2. However, it is very expensive to try now without a token (~800 tix) but want to put something together to run for fun sometimes on mtgo. The first list is the version I went 4-1 with, the list below is the budget version I'm trying to improve.


3 Turntimber Symbiosis
4 Lotus Petal
1 Ancient Tomb
1 City of Traitors
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Scalding Tarn
2 Snow-Covered Island
1 Snow-Covered Forest
4 Tropical Island
2 Wooded Foothills

3 Eladamri's Vineyard
3 Omniscience
3 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
3 Griselbrand
2 Progenitus
4 Show and Tell
4 Brainstorm
4 Eureka
4 Force of Will
2 Veil of Summer
4 Ponder

SB:
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Carpet of Flowers
2 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
2 Brazen Borrower
3 Oko, Thief of Crowns
2 Force of Negation


New proposed budget list:


4 Wooded Foothills
4 Windswept Heath
1 Turntimber Symbiosis
3 Snow-Covered Island
3 Snow-Covered Forest
2 Tropical Island
2 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
3 Chrome Mox

4 Eladamri's Vineyard
3 Omniscience
2 Form of the Dragon
1 Sandwurm Convergence
4 Griselbrand
2 Progenitus
4 Show and Tell
4 Brainstorm
4 Eureka
4 Veil of Summer
4 Ponder
2 Nix

1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
2 Blue Elemental Blast
2 Pithing Needle
3 Spell Pierce
3 Echoing Truth
4 Extract

Giving opponent uncounterable planeswalkers for 0 mana seems bad in a format of Valki, God of Lies and Oko, Thief of Crowns. Maybe not Eureka's time to shine.

Congrats on the 4-1 though. The Vineyard interaction seems good if you can abuse the assymetry.

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Originally Posted by FTW

Giving opponent uncounterable planeswalkers for 0 mana seems bad in a format of Valki, God of Lies and Oko, Thief of Crowns. Maybe not Eureka's time to shine.

Congrats on the 4-1 though. The Vineyard interaction seems good if you can abuse the assymetry.

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Thx! Sounds like uro/oko could be gone soon and I believe you can't put in the walker side of valki off Eureka. I'll try my new version next week :cool:.

For the budget version, what about Summoning Trap? It's a cheaper Turntimber that can be set up to trigger for 0 mana with some other deck changes. You can bait counters by ramping into green fat with the Vineyard mana.

The non-budget version probably wants 4x Allosaurus Shepherd somewhere in the 75 (maybe SB). He really rewards you for using green enablers like Eureka, Vineyard, and Turntimber instead of playing SneakShow. 1-2 Natural Order into the Progenitus is not out of the question either, sacrificing Dryad Arbor (or an Elk - Oko being both blue and green is very strong here).

With Shepherd and uncounterable NOko


//Mana: 24
3 Turntimber Symbiosis
4 Lotus Petal
1 City of Traitors
1 Ancient Tomb
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Wooded Foothills
2 Scalding Tarn
3 Tropical Island
2 Snow-Covered Island
1 Snow-Covered Forest
1 Dryad Arbor

//Spells: 18
4 Force of Will
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
3 Show and Tell
3 Eureka

//Enchantments: 6
3 Eladamri's Vineyard
3 Omniscience

//Planeswalker: 3
3 Oko, Thief of Crowns

//Creatures: 9
3 Griselbrand
3 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Progenitus
2 Allosaurus Shepherd

//Sideboard: 15
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Force of Negation
2 Brazen Borrower
2 Allosaurus Shepherd
2 Carpet of Flowers
1 Natural Order
1 Eureka
1 Omniscience


Vs blue you can board into 4 Shepherds and only green enablers (NO/Eureka) taking out SnT (also dodges Dispute, REB).

Vs nonblue the Shepherds come out for more blue disruption or more combo enablers.

This might need some tweaks but Allosaurus-powered Eureka/Vineyard/Symbiosis/NO/Oko looks like a strong way to abuse uncounterable green and a reason to play this over traditional Show and Tell variants.

3-2 in my first league since the token ended with the budget version of Châteauneuf-du-Pat, so Vineyard is 7-3 in legacy currently :cool:. It's the only mtgo deck I own so I'll be tinkering with it. I beat grixis delver, UW shark typhoon, and goblins. I lost to goblins (Muxus is scary it turns out) and UW painter combo with planeswalkers...deck was interesting and very strong vs. this.


4 Wooded Foothills
4 Windswept Heath
1 Turntimber Symbiosis
4 Eureka
3 Snow-Covered Forest
2 Tropical Island
2 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
3 Chrome Mox
4 Eladamri's Vineyard
4 Show and Tell
2 Form of the Dragon
1 Sandwurm Convergence
4 Griselbrand
2 Progenitus
3 Omniscience
4 Brainstorm
3 Snow-Covered Island
4 Veil of Summer
4 Ponder
1 Sylvan Library
1 Swan Song

1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
3 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Sylvan Library
3 Echoing Truth
2 Magus of the Vineyard
2 Extract
3 Swan Song

Great results for a budget deck!

Vineyard looks strong if you can take advantage of the mana more than most Legacy curves can.

Eureka also just got much better with Oko + Tibalt gone and fewer Coatls flying around, but does seem bad against that UW brew where you give them a free Jace, Teferi or Painter and then GG to activate Grindstone.

Yeah, Muxus is the real deal. Goblins is a serious deck now if Aether Vial isn't a 3/3 elk. There's also a turn 3 infinite combo with Conspicuous Snoop. I have Goblins in my test gauntlet for new brews, and honestly it races my combo decks sometimes.

Ended up with lots of 3-2/2-3 results plus one 1-4 with budget GU versions. The play pattern in the cantrip deck meant sand bagging vineyards quite often if your opener is missing things which isn't really wut I'd like to do. I think GR is better suited to just throw out Vineyard turn 1. Then threaten lots of stuff turn 2 like blood moon/choke protected by Veil or ceratops or level 3 hexdrinker etc.


4 Wooded Foothills
4 Windswept Heath
1 Turntimber Symbiosis
4 Snow-Covered Forest
1 Snow-Covered Mountain
3 Grove of the Burnwillows
3 Taiga
1 Dryad Arbor

4 Eladamri's Vineyard
1 Magus of the Vineyard
3 Simian Spirit Guide

4 Lightning Bolt
3 Veil of Summer
4 Blood Moon
2 Shifting Ceratops
1 Questing Beast
2 Tectonic Giant
1 Sylvan Library
1 Collector Ouphe
3 Hexdrinker
1 Tireless Tracker
1 Elder Gargaroth
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Reclamation Sage
3 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Goblin Rabblemaster
1 Fiery Confluence

3 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Red Elemental Blast
2 Choke
1 Veil of Summer
2 Torpor Orb
2 Punishing Fire
3 Cindervines

Togores is streaming a GB Karn version shortly.

https://twitter.com/TogoresTcg/statu...682604546?s=19

Just saw you play this deck in one of the latest ThrabenU videos.
You're a madlad. Platinum Emperion is sweet tech.

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Originally Posted by aedemiel

Just saw you play this deck in one of the latest ThrabenU videos.
You're a madlad. Platinum Emperion is sweet tech.

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:cool:

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Originally Posted by kinda

Togores is streaming a GB Karn version shortly.

https://twitter.com/TogoresTcg/statu...682604546?s=19

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YouTube video of this, at least one treasure chest was won!

https://youtu.be/bgN9sjyKWmE

Love this version of the brew. Blood Moon, Hexdrinker, Ceratops, Giant, and the GSZ value package are great ways to take advantage of the mana boost.

This might be the best Veil of Summer deck left in the format. Choke and Cindervines in the SB look powerful too.

I highly recommend using a different gravehate slot than Grafdigger's Cage, because Cage hoses your own GSZ. Or are you boarding out GSZ for it? It does avoid hitting Punishing Fire at least.

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Originally Posted by FTW

This might be the best Veil of Summer deck left in the format.

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Move over Omnitell, beep beep! :cool:

This is where I'm at the with T1 Vineyard T2 isochron scepter and use it version.


4 assassin's trophy
3 drown in the Loch
2 Dimir Charm
1 Funeral Charm
4 brainstorm
1 word of command
1 cling to dust
4 isochron scepter

4 Eladamri's Vineyard
4 unmask
1 uro
1 Polukranos, Unchained
1 Questing Beast
1 hexdrinker
1 Elder gargaroth
2 green Sun's Zenith
1 toxic deluge
1 persecute
2 jace the mind sculptor

20 L
1 dryad arbor

SB
1 scooze
1 Collector Ouphe
2 pengineer
3 faerie macabre
4 thoughtseize
2 veil of summer
2 into the roil

Heard a shout-out from Callum on the most recent Leaving a Legacy podcast, referencing this list. Pretty cool to see some development on such a unique deck.

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Heard a shout-out from Callum on the most recent Leaving a Legacy podcast, referencing this list. Pretty cool to see some development on such a unique deck.

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It was a nice shout out! I donated a version to ThrabenU to stream which will be soon and I haven't streamed myself before but I'm going to try it during the new token weeks (begins 31/3) with some different versions of this.:cool: :cool: :cool:

I've been playing both Vineyards in cEDH to success in my local playgroup. Of games where I dropped Vineyard early, I won 3 of 4 games so far. Of one win, I didn't drop a land til turn 5, and played entirely from rocks and Vineyard + Magus (BUG Thrasios and Tormod). With 40 life in EDH to begin, Vineyard leads into a turn 2 Doom Whisperer (to mill into Yawg Will) or Ad Naus.

Its a much better card when you want the mana last actually. There is a subtle advantage to letting everyone else get the mana before you; player(s) get into counter wars the turn before you go off, player(s) use the ramp to overcommit, player(s) are tapped out the turn you get to 4/5 mana.. once I used Scheming Symmetry to illustrate a similar concept. It can be better than Imperial Seal in EDH because it makes multiple players dangerous.

When players play more effectively with the card, they can use the mana to avoid tapping out, they can use it to blow up your board (Pernicious Deed), or they forgo the mana if they suppose using it would leave them trapped.

I like that it can be used to play around Spell Pierce and Daze.

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Originally Posted by Vacrix

I like that it can be used to play around Spell Pierce and Daze.

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Thalia, port, wasteland etc. too! Helps vs blood moon. This is my current version:

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/3844269#paper

I streamed my first league ever on Twitch yesterday running RGW Chateauneuf-du-Pat going 2-3. Uploaded the first three matches to youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI2kn_CkTPQ&t=127s and the other two are in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59owb1rErY . RGW is definitely the meme version of the deck as you really need discard or counters to make sure the coast is clear to run out a vineyard (issue seen in the match vs Pokemoki in the video :mad:), but it's pretty fun. BUG, BG, and possibly other versions coming soon!


4 Wooded Foothills
4 Windswept Heath
1 Turntimber Symbiosis
3 Snow-Covered Forest
1 Knight of Autumn
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Taiga
4 Eladamri's Vineyard
1 Birds of Paradise
2 Aven Mindcensor
1 Lightning Bolt
4 Madcap Experiment
2 Mother of Runes
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Questing Beast
1 Tectonic Giant
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Collector Ouphe
3 Hexdrinker
1 Elder Gargaroth
4 Spirit of the Labyrinth
1 Snow-Covered Mountain
3 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Plateau
1 Savannah
2 Snow-Covered Plains
2 Platinum Emperion
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
1 Garruk, Primal Hunter

SB
2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Deafening Silence
3 Cindervines
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Archon of Emeria
2 Veil of Summer
1 Choke
3 Faerie Macabre
1 Blazing Volley

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Originally Posted by kinda

Thalia, port, wasteland etc. too! Helps vs blood moon. This is my current version:

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/3844269#paper

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I donated this BUG Scepter version to ItsJulian/ThrabenU to try.

Julian went 3-2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6wkg23UGyE&t=373s

Phil went 1-4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GoTjFheHoc&t=1240s

The biggest issue with the deck is matchups where T1 vineyard gets you blow out by elves or a turn 1 food chain or infect comboing out...which happened to Phil :mad:. So, I tried a new version with 3 vineyard and some duress to help not get blown out. Also, I don't recommend playing vineyard T1 G1 w/o fow if you don't know what your opponent is on. Current list:


4 Assassin's Trophy
1 Bayou
1 Swamp
4 Brainstorm
2 Ponder
1 Control Magic
3 Drown in the Loch
1 Forest
3 Eladamri's Vineyard
1 Elder Gargaroth
1 Fatal Push
4 Force of Will
1 Dryad Arbor
2 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Hexdrinker
2 Island
2 Isochron Scepter
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Duress
4 Polluted Delta
1 Questing Beast
1 Shark Typhoon
1 Birds of Paradise
2 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
2 Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath
3 Verdant Catacombs

1 Collector Ouphe
2 Fatal Push
2 Force of Negation
1 Carpet of Flowers
3 Plague Engineer
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Veil of Summer
1 Control Magic

I think the version you had before (0 Scepter) was stronger than this one.

I think one of the underlying problems is Scepter-Trophy isn't even that good in Legacy because opponent can still get value even if you blow things up right away (ETB triggers, planeswalker activation, playing 2 things per turn, spell-based interaction). Scepter-Chant actually locks the other player out of the game (except for instants), while Scepter-Trophy still lets them do a lot. So your deck's ceiling isn't that broken, but your floor with Vineyard is very dangerous - like giving them a turn 1 combo win or giving them mana to cast multiple things per turn.

If you use Vineyard to accelerate into cards like Karn, Blood Moon, Natural Order, Choke, Questing Beast, Tectonic... then you're getting more proactive value from your acceleration.

https://mtgrocks.com/wp-content/uplo...ing-ritual.jpg

Perhaps Culling Ritual would be good for both adding mana and blowing up the board of small cmc teams. It could be sideboard material.

You can use Eladmari's Vineyard to invite the overextension, which is then fuel for Culling Ritual.

I wonder if Arcane Laboratory is maindeckable here. Or maybe Deafening Silence. It punishes other decks for trying to use the mana to combo or play multiple small things, while you still get to use the mana for fatties and activated abilities. You just need to break the symmetry.