The leaks are true! The Cards are new! And nothing old is playable!
WELCOME! To MH3!
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The leaks are true! The Cards are new! And nothing old is playable!
WELCOME! To MH3!
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Tron, Post?
Tronpost
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Dreadnought Enjoyers have Entered the Chat:
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Weird that the parody set is now 100% legal.
Does Dress Down block the Evoke sac trigger?
I wouldn't think so.
It does. Evoke is two abilities: first an alternate cost, and the second a triggered ability that says "When I enter, if I was evoked".Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoid
I've been running dress down in my dreadnought / elementals builds to sometimes just beat down with a 6/3.
The beauty of Null Drifter is that the trigger to draw 2 is on cast, so it won't be stopped by dress down.
The more you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit
You also draw the cards even if the drifter gets countered or you can find your countercounter in the 2 cards.
So you can Stifle the Evoke sacrifice (2UU play) or EOT Dress Down and Evoke (2U play) and neither stops the card draw. Thrull works too.
That's huge compared to Uro, which does lose a draw to Dress Down/Thrull, and forces you into UUGG mana (although Uro is better on its own).
Flare of Denial looks like an easy 4-of in any blue creature deck with a lot of built-in card draw. Merfolk, Ninjas. Maybe 2 copies in 8cast.
Cave is slower than Crop Rot or Expedition Map but is uncounterable, taps for mana, and puts the land in play. Probably too slow for Depths, but good in Lands & Post. Nexus seems very strong in Post or Tron. Finally a Locus/Urza land that color fixes.
Orim's Chant is in Modern now, irrelevant for Legacy, but there might be some new decks popping up with it.
https://media.wizards.com/2024/mh3/en_f95b1e9b39.png
Any Recurring Nightmare Combo with <3cmc
https://media.wizards.com/2024/mh3/en_873cd1038b.png
Unblockable attacker seems like a good finisher?
https://media.wizards.com/2024/mh3/en_0c9563dcc1.png
Is Goyf still good?
Mutated Cultist 2B
Creature - Eldrazi Horror
Devoid
When you cast this spell, remove all counters from up to one target permanent or opponent. The next spell you cast this turn costs {1} less to cast for each counter removed this way.
Deathtouch
1/3
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/co..._and_reprints/
Removes the counters from Depths upon casting, so can't be countered.
Nethergoyf was spoiled a while ago and looks strong. Between this and the recent Stalactite Stalker, black finally has playable 1 drops.
Kappa is a reprint.
New Nightmare is another blatant dodge of the Reserved List, making a version for Modern that they can argue is functionally different enough from the original. They may continue to do that to basically kill Legacy and make a Modern format with pseudo Legacy staples but no Reserved List. Then they get an infinite Modern Masters/Horizons money printing machine.
That seems to be the intent or at least a "fixed" Legacy. That said, I don't see how it can ever truly be Legacy if there is no Brainstorm, Daze, Wasteland, Sol Lands, Depths, or Moxen/other fast mana (probably leaving out a bunch of other stuff too). Hard to find a Legacy deck that doesn't run multiple of these cards and I can't really see them putting most of this stuff in Modern even though I suppose they just put in a "fixed" Sol Land so maybe it wouldn't be completely out of the realm of possibility for them to keep encroaching on the actual Legacy pillars later on.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTW
Other notables:
Seems like Eldrazi (other tribal too?) and the Rock archetypes will be getting pushed hard. Does Null Elemental Blast hit enough to make it worthwhile?
This set looks really interesting for Timeless, which is half decent for being an Arena format with a relatively limited (for the time being) card pool. Right now its basically "play all the banned Legacy and Modern cards" + Brainstorm.
I don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTW
Unless you're going to lose by not countering, you'd rather pitch something from your hand than sac a dude.
Sacing a dude to counter removal on another dude still weakens you significantly and slows you down.
Torpor Orb also works to stop the evoke trigger. And you don't just get 2 new cards, but also a 4/4 flyer with annihilator 1 for 3 mana. That's quite the pay-off.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTW
http://mythicspoiler.com/mh3/cards/p...ntshepherd.jpg
This might be good. Repeatable flicker at a reasonable cost, doesn't die to Bowmaster, works great with Recruiter and you can even use Recruiter to fetch a one-of Containment Priest to start decimating the opponent's creatures.
That's a good boy.
Torpor Orb is not a great card. Doorkeeper Thrull does this better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Not stopping the card draw is big because Dress Down & Thrull do stop the ETB card draw for Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath (the competing 3 mana threat). Uro already has a better body, better fair mode, and a good attack trigger. But still getting to draw the turn you play it (even if countered) is a big deal.
Nulldrifter has a stompy cost, a single color, and enabled by other stompy costs. It's biggest weakness isn't if torpor orb is better than thrull, it's that it's asking you to build a hybrid post/orb deck that I've been told a billion times isn't viable. I mean, after Orb your other enabler is Grim monolith and hope you have a second sol land.
With the stompy plan Illusionary Mask & Scroll of Fate & Cryptic Coat don't help Nulldrifter, so you're short on enablers. Running 4x Torpor Orb is not ideal (bad in multiples). Can't play Chalice @ 1 if you want Dreadnought. So you're reliant on Monolith ramp to 7 for something that's not Coveted Jewel.
You could play 4x Karn, put 1 Torpor in the SB, play 3 main. There's your 7 enablers. You could also play The One Ring. But again, you're competing with what Karn Forge and Coveted Jewel already do better.
At least the Dress Down + Thrull shell has proven viable (2% of meta on MTG Top 8). 2U can replace 1UG, dropping green for better mana.
BG Eightgoyf, eh? Could be interesting.
MH3 has an entire Goyf tribal theme. Waiting for the Pyrogoyf (:3::r:, whenever it or another Lhurgoyf ETBs, that creature deals damage equal to its power to any target) to be confirmed real, but it seems reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goaswerfraiejen
Well, have to get all the sad Modern Jund players into Commander somehowQuote:
Originally Posted by Barook
I think one of the commander decks is Jund Goyf Tribal.
MH3 appears to have a tribal theme but the tribes are all esoteric. Goyfs, eldrazi. Who knows what the others will be.
Wizards apparently thought the term tribal was too offensive, now it's called typal (or kindred, if you want the card type)Quote:
Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit
It's not and they didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie
If you're going to do this, meme correctly.
https://i.imgur.com/PeSG8iJ.jpg
Not sure what you're pushing back on for "memeing", but they did change Tribal to Kindred.
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/an...r-on-mtg-arena
Unless you meant something else, I guess?
I guess Kindred is better then their proposed second choice: Gang Gang.Quote:
Originally Posted by PirateKing
They changed it not because it was offensive (it isn't) but because it has a negative history.Quote:
Originally Posted by PirateKing
They also did not make it "typal". No one should ever let the word "typal" escape their lips. Typal was the in-house placeholder for whatever they start calling decks that share a thing.
Kindred is the replacement for the type tribal.
I thought they abandoned Tribal/Kindred because was kind of a dogshit mechanic? :eyebrow:
It is also really stupid in terms of what should be type-formerly-known-as-tribal and what shouldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
A lot of spells should be errata'd to get a type but they couldn't bother.
They are overtly trying to inject an additional card type without deckbuilding costs to pump Goyf. Blatant power creep without reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoid
Outside Goyf, was Tribal ever useful? Goblins to search for Weirding or Tarfire?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Yeah but they brought it back for mh2 and it's part of the same block of changes they have for khans on arenaQuote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Sprite and bitterblossomQuote:
Originally Posted by Cire
Prowess of the fair & Birchlore ranger / heritage druidQuote:
Originally Posted by Cire
Haakon, Stromgald Scourge + Nameless Inversion was in Standard and also Legacy viable maybe 15 years ago. Inversion is a "knight" spell so you can cast it unlimited times from graveyard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
All is Dust costs less with Eye of Ugin and Eldrazi Temple. Saw Modern play.
Rebels could fetch Bound in Silence. Saw Standard play.
Lignify is indestructible with Timber Protector, grows Dauntless Dourbark, and can be freecast from Leaf-Crowned Elder. Saw Block play.
If they want it to matter they'd need to errata all the cards it makes sense for, but they don't appear to want to bother, so it remains incredibly niche and stupid. Meanwhile the cowards refuse to print a new Lightning Rift or put Astral Slide/Drift on Arena.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
Slide let nonblue decks win Worlds twice in a row and the blue supremecists at WotC have never forgiven it.
Post-tribal cards tend to have "[creature type] creature card" like Deathbellow War Cry instead of the "[creature type] card" that older cards like Goblin Matron have. So it feels like they're trying to make tribal irrelevant as much as they can. (Or maybe it's that "creature" is shorter than "permanent".)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
Maybe it's just future proofing since Deathbellow War Cry puts them onto the battlefield, so "Kindred Sorcery - Minotaur" would put front and center all those weird Comprehensive Rules scenarios where the wrong type of card is used in otherwise benign situations.
But that's giving WotC a lot of credit /shrug