Re: [Deck] Berserk Stompy
Moved to Established. Surprising that there isn't a thread for this deck already.
Re: [Deck] Berserk Stompy
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Originally Posted by
crow_mw
Ok! Done! Thanks!
Let the fun begin!
Ok, first of, The card, at the moment, that is planning to tweak the deck
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Vines of Vastwood :g:
Instant
Kicker - :g:
Target creature can't be the target of spells of abilities your opponents control until end of turn. If Vines of Vastwood was kicked, that creature gets +4/+4 until end of turn.
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Think it'll will deserve a slot in the deck easly ^^
Re: [Deck] Berserk Stompy
The awesome thing about VoVW is, that the kicker is the pump and the normal effect is the pseudo-Shroud. This way it offers protection and you can use abundant mana for extrapump.
It should be an automatic 4 of IMO.
Re: [Deck] Berserk Stompy
Janky and horrible as it sounds, one of my friends plays this deck in a form, and the single most dangerous threat he runs in the deck is Slippery Bogle. He runs all threats and pump in the deck, and being able to sellout pump the Bogle without fear of X-for-1 removal has caused me more than a few nightmares.
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I think that's one of the great things about Berserk Stompy - it's friggin janky, but it works.
Too bad Berserk costs about 100 bucks/each.
Re: [Deck] Berserk Stompy
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Originally Posted by
Nidd
I think that's one of the great things about Berserk Stompy - it's friggin janky, but it works.
Too bad Berserk costs about 100 bucks/each.
Berserk has been reprinted in From the Vault: Exiled. Berserk singles from that set are going for about $30. Still pricey, but cheaper than Tarmogoyf.
Re: [Deck] Berserk Stompy
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Originally Posted by
Justin
Berserk has been reprinted in From the Vault: Exiled. Berserk singles from that set are going for about $30. Still pricey, but cheaper than Tarmogoyf.
Huh? Last time I checked, reprinted Berserk was selling for 100 bucks/each. On the other hand, I didn't check since 2 months or so.
Thank you for the information, looks like I'm gonna build that deck.
Re: [Deck] Berserk Stompy
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Originally Posted by
Tacosnape
Janky and horrible as it sounds, one of my friends plays this deck in a form, and the single most dangerous threat he runs in the deck is Slippery Bogle. He runs all threats and pump in the deck, and being able to sellout pump the Bogle without fear of X-for-1 removal has caused me more than a few nightmares.
Slippery Bogle + Silhana + VoVW seems like the deck won't be so easily stoped any longer! =)
We have to test something with all those, ad sure add nettle sentinel to those first lists there...
Urray!
Re: [Deck] Berserk Stompy
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Originally Posted by
Gui_Brasil
Slippery Bogle + Silhana + VoVW seems like the deck won't be so easily stoped any longer! =)
We have to test something with all those, ad sure add nettle sentinel to those first lists there...
Urray!
CotV and 3Sphere still fuck you up pretty hard.
Re: [Deck] Berserk Stompy
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Originally Posted by
Nidd
CotV and 3Sphere still fuck you up pretty hard.
That's true. But you get a nice giant options in sideboarding for those. And once you get around then, you can beat 'em the aggro style...
Faster combos still fuck us up pretty harder... not even a large amount of sideboarding options...
I used to side Shard of Amethyst, and carry a cross for the further praying... but that was some ago...
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I love this deck more than I can say. It's just so green and fun. A few quick thoughts --
If there are a lot of Merfolk in your area, Scryb Ranger can be an absolute beating. Ruins their guys all day long, especially if they're wearing Jitte.
Slippery Boggle looks sick as hell, I was actually wishing that they were going to print a 1/1 for G with opponent shroud in Zendikar. Apparently it already exists. Awkward.
Reverent Silence is amazing against Counterbalance, it doesn't cost you a thing to cast, it's hard to hit with CB, and grows your Predators. Debatable if it's better than something like Krosan Grip, but it's certainly very worthy of discussion.
If you're running Fetchlands or Land Grants, one copy of Dryad Arbor can be amazing. Personally I don't like Fetches since the lack of them makes opposing Stifles almost completely dead, but I won't deny that they can make some sick plays. Ever seen the look on someone's face when they run a 4/5 Goyf into your board that's tapped out except a single fetch, you turn it into Dryad Arbor and Invigorate it? Downright hilarious.
Speaking of hating the fetchlands, I'm pretty heavily opposed to splashing colors. As nice as things like Fling, Teeg, Isamaru, Jotun Grunt, etc might look, I've found that opening the small landcount up to Wasteland and Stifle hate is just not worth it. I'd rather just drop an endless horde of green dudes than drop slightly better guys and lose half my games to manascrew. The deck doesn't need more "Oops, I lose" problems on top of G1, T1 Chalices.
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I would still argue for Vine Dryad's inclusion. Mostly everything you are going to play against will be running Goyf and having a card that just goes .... oh unblockable, FUCK YO COUCH, is pretty good. The negative card synergy is understandable, these decks drop the hand VERY fast.
Mono-G has always been the most consistent of any of the lists. As far as fetches go ... not a fan, Something like 12 forests and 4 Land Grant should be more than enough. Opening up the deck to Stifle and Wasteland is a terrible idea and you will lose a lot of games to it. You also don't have to run ESG with a manabase like this (create less dead topdecks later on) which could also be a plus. I really like the new pump spell but is it better than Seal of Strength? I think it is since StP has always been this deck's nightmare and with Invigorate on the stack watching your Predator go farming is not good, but you now have a response to that!
I think we need to establish a good, solid creature base before anything else. I think these are the essential creatures for any Berserk Stompy deck:
4x Ledgewalker
4x Bogle
2-4x Scryb Sprites (help with mana so much and flying is a +)
4x Kavu Predator
The rest are up for debate, cards like: Skyshroud Cutter, Vine Dryad, Pit-Skulk, Jungle Lion, Rogue Elephant, Harvest Wurm, Skyshroud Elite, and there are many more. I really don't like Goyf in the deck but this is just my personal opinion, I much prefer someone who comes down turn 1 or has evasion of some form.
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I vote for Pit Skulk.
Oh and do you want some fun? Try Xantid Swarm. i know, it has power 0, but once it attacks you can freely dump your hand full of pumps on the board.
Re: [Deck] Berserk Stompy
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Nidd
I vote for Pit Skulk.
This. Pit-Skulk was like the best creature in the deck aside from Goyf, why cut it?
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The good old Berserk Stompy
I played it years ago. Although its not an official tournament list, it might me interesting to the thread. Ive thrown it together on mws. But i cant remember the SB, i know i played naturalize but what else =?
Stompy list in 2003
// Lands
12 [8E] Forest (2)
// Creatures
4 [EX] Skyshroud Elite
1 [7E] Elvish Lyrist
4 [TE] Muscle Sliver
2 [B] Scryb Sprites
4 [AN] Ghazban Ogre
3 [WL] Rogue Elephant
4 [PT] Jungle Lion
// Spells
4 [U] Berserk
3 [DM] Bounty of the Hunt
3 [WL] Briar Shield
3 [BD] Giant Growth
2 [5E] Winter Orb
3 [NE] Seal of Strength
4 [MM] Land Grant
4 [UL] Rancor
Re: [Deck] Berserk Stompy
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Originally Posted by
Pulp_Fiction
4x Ledgewalker
4x Bogle
2-4x Scryb Sprites (help with mana so much and flying is a +)
4x Kavu Predator
Do you mean Scryb Ranger? I'm missing how Scryb Sprites help with your mana other than just not costing very much of it. Not that Sprites are bad in the deck, one mana evasive dudes are quite solid, just looking for clarification.
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Pulp_Fiction
I really like the new pump spell but is it better than Seal of Strength?
Seal is definitely the slot that it fights for and I'm pretty sure that VotV wins. Seal is nice in that it can cost 0 on the turn you need instead of G or GG, but it's an on-the-board trick and often ends up getting cast the turn you use it due to you usually having dudes to cast for the first two turns. I'm pretty sure that slowing down a tiny bit for the extra consistency against StP/Bolt is worth it. Not to mention that taking out Seal also means that literally the only thing that Stifle targets is the Rancor graveyard trigger, which is hilarious.
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Is Kavu Predator really worth playing in this deck? I get that it combos with invigorate and possibly Reverent Silence post-board.... but it's just a bear all other times... seems janky to me. The deck doesn't need that kind of inconsistency. I think Bounty of the Hunt is better than Invigorate as free, instant pump.
My creature base would look like this:
best green 1 drops:
4 Skarrgan Pit-Skulk
4 Skyshroud Elite
4 Jungle Lion
then:
4 Slippery Bogle - Seems decent.. not sure if it's better than Ledgewalker.
4 Scryb Ranger - Quirion Ranger + flash, evasion AND pro-merfolk? I'm in.
4 Tarmogoyf - why run less?
Elvish Spirit Guides are good for a bit of speed and Daze protection. Plus, they pitch to Bounty when they're no longer useful. Land Grant, however, is probably not worth the risk of having it be the only mana source in your opening hand. But it does pump Goyf and pitch to Bounty.
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Bogle seems to be a house, but we should see if the other 1cc with 2 attack aren't better due to the extra dmg they do per turn, and specially the extra damage they do when doubling dmg...
Anyway we have silhanas also... And now we got Vastwood, we can have 12 of the same effect. Not saying it`s bad, but we can't reduce our power against our good matchups...
A creature I always consider in my stompies, and also in Berserk ones, is Vine Dryad. It can evade Chalice, CB and Snare, come turn 1, mini-combo with skargan on the draw, surprise block and surprises counters EOT... AND she forest walks. IMO it's a house...
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4 Tarmogoyf - why run less?
Because it's slow for us in so many matchs that don't use GY abuse
Re: [Deck] Berserk Stompy
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Originally Posted by
Gui_Brasil
Vine Dryad
Definitely crossed my mind. The only thing is if you use Bounty as well, that's a lot of card disadvantage, and I think Bounty is better.
Re: Goyf
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Originally Posted by
Gui_Brasil
Because it's slow for us in so many matchs that don't use GY abuse
Goyf is your backup plan when the pump tricks fail. It's an easy 4/5.