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Good point!

Ghazban Ogre won't trigger at 20-20, it won't even be on the stack.
Rack trigger will deal 1 damage. (19-20)
Then dte redraws Legacy Weapon.
Ogre will attack (19-18)
Then dte is...

I could see a straight RG agGRO build


//Creatures: 23
4 Ignoble Hierarch
4 Soul-Scar Mage
4 Slickshot Show-Off
4 Harmonic Prodigy
4 Electrostatic Infantry
3 Questing Druid

Then don't you lose to the ceiling deck? Bandit's Talent will deal 2 damage each turn + Sulfuric Vortex damage, killing you first. Needs to be something like Loxodon Smiter that forces them to never...

This one may be WL 3-3

dte OTP
T1 Ogre / 1/1 haste goblin
T2 Ogre attacks

If Goblin blocks + Gut Shot, you Mutagenic Growth and win combat (D=18, G=18). Then life totals are tied so you keep...

Lotus, Lotus, Sulfuric Vortex, Loxodon Smiter?

I thought about playing cards like Vortex but it was too slow with Lotus Bloom or charge lands.

Fixed. DL 4-1

I think you vs Reeplcheep is DD 2-2. Mutagenic Growth + Ogre vs 2 Rootwalla and +2/+0: 4/4 vs 3/1+1/1

FTW: Swamp, Rhystic Cave, Raven's Crime, The Rack, comment: Flying too close to the sun?

I expected anti-discard tech like Loxodon Smiter, so I wanted to mimic the deck, but was also nervous...

It might be helpful to say who, so they know to check.

Split Second Hexproof.

LQR doesn't need the element of surprise. You can play it first, not only respond to opponent. It doesn't need a tap ability either.

Even without any tap ability it can...

Delver isn't good anymore. The "Delver shell" now plays 0 Delver. They've pivoted to Nethergoyf, Tamiyo, and Dragon's Rage Channeler. So if you want to build off the success of that tempo shell,...

How did it go?

UB Frog is already a Tier 1 deck. You could just play that. Standstill is risky when you lose the die roll, since so many decks are getting on board fast now.

If you want to...

I like the idea.

Tamiyo, Inquisitive Student is the strongest 1cmc Wizard and could be 3-4 copies. Doubling Clues forces opponent to remove Tamiyo immediately, which diverts removal from your...

BUG Dreadnought tech: https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=59246&d=643828&f=LE

Back on Uro and no Thrulls, so there are no threats that can be stolen/Reanimated. Uro's also great against all the...

Black Lotus is the main one that might be viable at enabling some high cmc terrible cards. But that isn't necessarily banworthy.

Agreed, Reanimator still seems the best deck.

Most people blame Frog. Focusing on Maxtortion winning 1 Challenge with UB Froginator. But Rood got 1st & 2nd in 2 consecutive challenges the same...

Like Mockingbird, it's been 4CB legal for just a month! Many new sets coming out lately to pay attention to.

Oh, wither counter is a smart way to race 3/x suspends without racing the 4/1 first strike!

FTW: Swamp, Corpulent Corpse, Dark Ritual, Pox


GoblinSmashmaster: City of Traitors, Lotus Petal, Magus of the Moon, Goblin Cadets
OTP suspend Corpse. If you play 1 creature, I Pox it...

Today's Challenge: https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=58984&d=641743&f=LE

1st place Rood's Worldgorger Dragon again!

Top 8:
2 Frogless Reanimator
1 UB Frog Reanimator
1 UB Frog Tempo
1...

This is still early days (EW will show how the format settled), but preliminary results on MTG Top 8 show other decks competing with Frog just fine.

Post-ban Legacy Challenge. Top 8 has only 1...

Bad faith argument. Nobody's claimed the banGoyf or banBob crowd were dumb, that Bob and Goyf weren't banned because they were crept into obsolescence (hindsight), that Frog isn't dominating...

Fair point. Will stick with original goalposts: Untap with.

By that bar DHA is fair. I did also argue DHA may be unbannable, that it was banned when the competition was Young Pyromancer.
...

So post-Grief ban, as the meta toys with ways to play Froggy Tempo, this meme deck actually looks pretty good at out-tempoing and out-Frogging. Not Tier 1, but maybe good enough to post a decent...

@Fox: TombNought Challenge Top 8
https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=58575&d=638363&f=LE

4x counter target Eldrazi/Bauble

8Stifle+Parallax Tide is hilarious tech
Exile 5 lands, upkeep Stifle, go.

Wouldn't be surprised if Long Goodbye saw play in decks that can't cast Decay (e.g. Grixis). Smother saw a lot of play in the Goyf-Bob meta.

I think one reason the format's struggled with Frog is...