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Once you're in WBu, is Omen of the Sea (splash color) better than Hidden Stockpile (card selection + bodies in WB), Enlightened Tutor (card selection in W), or Warlock Class (card selection in B)?

dte and maxx! agree, but I think they're both wrong. See my other comment above. OTP maxx! can trade off everything to destroy Karn, leaving 2/2 vs nothing. Should be WL 3-3.

This result would...

That was how I arrived at the WBu version above.

White and black are both core to the deck. Blue is only needed for the 3 cmc engines. So blue could be made into a splash if you're willing to let...

What if maxx! just tries to kill Karn quickly instead of protecting Garruk?

Maxx! vs dte OTP
T1 Garruk -> 2/2 Wolf (Garruk 3 counters)
T1 Karn -> 3/3 Construct (Karn 3 counters)

T2 Garruk...

Good points Fox. Not being able to run Wraths means overcommitting to 1-for-1s, which is very strong vs fair creatures but weak to instant threats and better token spam.



Would Spreading Seas...

Looks better. With Trial + Umezawa you have a lot of ways to curve out punishing creature decks.

I think you don't have enough anti-combo for an 80-card deck. Most 80-card UWx Yorion piles play 7...

Not only are the tokens flying (can't block with Treetop), but they're 4/4s not 4 1/1s! The first 4/4 flyer is enough to win.

I thought Mental Misstep was unplayable until we banned all Moxes and...

6. FTW: Bottomless Vault, Unmask, The Eldest Reborn, Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath

I had this deck in my gauntlet for a few rounds and finally decided to play it. It straddles between WL vs T1...

This version looks fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IACGsTDA98


//Spells:
4 Force of Will
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
3 Swords to Plowshares
3 Prismatic Ending
4 Expressive Iteration

In that case, your best token producers are the cards that do both. History of Benalia

Hidden Stockpile? It doesn't goldfish as aggressively as the 1-mana ones but it's much better at lasting...

I have a deck that wins even slower, but it has interaction. I'm very curious about this deck with no interaction that would have scored better (I assume must either be able to play everything out on...

I tried to hedge by playing Hymn + 5/5 instead, so it still WL vs T1 decks but hoping any dedicated hate decks couldn't also beat a 5/5. I also feared both Moxes would get banned so it was now or...

6. FTW: Mox Sapphire, Sunken Ruins, Hymn to Tourach, Ensoul Artifact

My 2nd choice for last week was Mox + Gerrard's Verdict + Ensoul Artifact. After seeing how well Gerrard's Verdict did, I...

Good point. I noticed the targeting restriction only after determining the result against maxx! and alphastryk. Trophy cannot be Misdirected! WW
That gives me more points but not enough to change...

Big fan of Sevinne's Reclamation. Glad to see it at work.

Court of Cunning sounds effective for many reasons.

Riptide Chimera is not good. I tried to break both it and Esperzoa when they were...

Hmm no point in boarding in anthem if you're already boarding out a lord. Keep Kudro in? Protects your team and attacks Murktides and DRC.

Is 2 CMC too expensive vs 2+ cmc removal? I would think the card disadvantage of Force of Virtue would hurt more. Maybe not. Is your mana under pressure more than cards?

Burrenton Forge-tender is...

Congrats on the top 4 finish!

If you're worried about more Rough // Tumbles (and Fiery Confluence), what about Absolute Law or Crimson Acolyte in the SB?

Acolyte is a human for obvious...

Good point. Then Scepter-Trophy was an even worse choice this round. I thought it would at least WL vs Donate.



Disagreement. I think Goblinsmashmaster is right. You can't use Mox with Karn out...

10. FTW: Mox Emerald, Blinkmoth Nexus, Isochron Scepter, Assassin's Trophy

1. Asthereal (TO): OTP I play out my hand first. If you Donate Crypt, I can destroy it. OTD I lose to Wistful Thinking. ...

Needs minimum 4 lands (2 for Iteration + 2 to cast the card).

Murktide is very proactive. But EI -> EI/Dress Down is tapping 4 lands to durdle.



Needs minimum 5 lands. Makes opponent's Daze...

That's an older version. The Challenge list I posted was based on it and cut the Iterations.

It's a tough spot because Dreadnought needs card draw but Iteration is such bad tempo when you're...

Ah, without seeing the manabase I thought you were WB and could not cast Master of Death. Then Master is a bad Squee, costing life while the deck lacks ways to gain back life, so it did not look good...

As a rough starting shell...


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4 Thoughtseize
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Prismatic Ending
2 Cling to Dust
2 Sudden Edict

Fox's heuristics tend to be right for Standstill and Dreadnought decks. Although they may not generalize to all of Legacy, Fox usually ends up being right about the Dreadnought and Standstill...