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Delver isn't good anymore. The "Delver shell" now plays 0 Delver. They've pivoted to Nethergoyf, Tamiyo, and Dragon's Rage Channeler. So if you want to build off the success of that tempo shell,...

How did it go?

UB Frog is already a Tier 1 deck. You could just play that. Standstill is risky when you lose the die roll, since so many decks are getting on board fast now.

If you want to...

I like the idea.

Tamiyo, Inquisitive Student is the strongest 1cmc Wizard and could be 3-4 copies. Doubling Clues forces opponent to remove Tamiyo immediately, which diverts removal from your...

BUG Dreadnought tech: https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=59246&d=643828&f=LE

Back on Uro and no Thrulls, so there are no threats that can be stolen/Reanimated. Uro's also great against all the...

Black Lotus is the main one that might be viable at enabling some high cmc terrible cards. But that isn't necessarily banworthy.

Agreed, Reanimator still seems the best deck.

Most people blame Frog. Focusing on Maxtortion winning 1 Challenge with UB Froginator. But Rood got 1st & 2nd in 2 consecutive challenges the same...

Like Mockingbird, it's been 4CB legal for just a month! Many new sets coming out lately to pay attention to.

Oh, wither counter is a smart way to race 3/x suspends without racing the 4/1 first strike!

FTW: Swamp, Corpulent Corpse, Dark Ritual, Pox


GoblinSmashmaster: City of Traitors, Lotus Petal, Magus of the Moon, Goblin Cadets
OTP suspend Corpse. If you play 1 creature, I Pox it...

Today's Challenge: https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=58984&d=641743&f=LE

1st place Rood's Worldgorger Dragon again!

Top 8:
2 Frogless Reanimator
1 UB Frog Reanimator
1 UB Frog Tempo
1...

This is still early days (EW will show how the format settled), but preliminary results on MTG Top 8 show other decks competing with Frog just fine.

Post-ban Legacy Challenge. Top 8 has only 1...

Bad faith argument. Nobody's claimed the banGoyf or banBob crowd were dumb, that Bob and Goyf weren't banned because they were crept into obsolescence (hindsight), that Frog isn't dominating...

Fair point. Will stick with original goalposts: Untap with.

By that bar DHA is fair. I did also argue DHA may be unbannable, that it was banned when the competition was Young Pyromancer.
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So post-Grief ban, as the meta toys with ways to play Froggy Tempo, this meme deck actually looks pretty good at out-tempoing and out-Frogging. Not Tier 1, but maybe good enough to post a decent...

@Fox: TombNought Challenge Top 8
https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=58575&d=638363&f=LE

4x counter target Eldrazi/Bauble

8Stifle+Parallax Tide is hilarious tech
Exile 5 lands, upkeep Stifle, go.

Wouldn't be surprised if Long Goodbye saw play in decks that can't cast Decay (e.g. Grixis). Smother saw a lot of play in the Goyf-Bob meta.

I think one reason the format's struggled with Frog is...

Magus makes Vortex cast 2 turns faster, but doesn't speed up the counters. Then I also have to slow down around the land. I can either:

- always do Vortex 1 counter every 2 turns. Silk pays 1 the...

Yeah the people complaining about Frog must not remember how ubiquitous Goyf was. Bob was unfair too at first. They saw wide play as better than everything else in those roles, but still 2 mana...

Reanimate on its own isn't happening on turn 1 (without fast mana) and loses to all that hate.

Its strong, but falls into the box of all-in combo that gets hated out. Then its slow at rebuilding....

Magus is too strong for both players! It pays for Calendar, then you double calendar every turn, which wins in about 10 turns (much faster than Magus's 20 anyway).

Magus was good tech against...

Huh, a very rare functional errata. They removed the target, and it doesn't Enchant Player either.

FTW: Saprazzan Cove, Energy Vortex, Repudiate, Noxious Revival, comment: Needs more Subtlety

Should have just played the Calendar. Vortex is cute vs painlands but much faster than Calendar...

Well Reanimate was always unfair, but you could normally fight it with Surgical Extraction, Endurance, Faerie Macabre, Force of Negation etc., and you weren't getting turn 1ed unless they spent cards...

False, Grief saw many 5-0s and some Legacy Challenge results since the first week it was printed.

It started as Bx Grief scam with junk like Malakir Rebirth, Ephemerate, etc. The problem is those...

No one said it would "fix" the format. But people have been sick of Grief for a while, it should have been banned last time.

UB won't decline, Frog is OP, but least it's a fundamentally fair...