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definitely did this once. I knew my depths opponent had crop rotation in hand. I had moon and Ensnaring bridge in hand and can cast 1. In my head I'm like, bridge just locks him out and I win. ...

Yeah the Astrolabe has been somewhat awkward in testing. I do like that it gives you the ability to go like turn 1 Astrolabe into a 2 mana colored threat off of tomb while holding blast up off of...

And Goblin Engineerable

How often is blessing better than just another blast?

And Karn can get surgical pieces back too. Grave hate can certainly be annoying, but it's pretty nice when your opponent over boards and then you just kill them anyway

Yeah I mean you still have plenty of ways to just find your pieces. I think grave hate is less problematic than just making your plan B of beat down weaker. That's my problem with the 7-8 welder...

Honestly I only saw it once and that was to bin it with engineer. I definitely can see why this version would want 4 Karn because the main beat down plan is much worse with less Copter. Also I...

Went 3-1 tonight with Snowcake with 3 Blood Moon main. I think I used Astrolabe to filter once. I did get a turn where I got to break petal for Mana, weld away an Astrolabe for petal, them weld...

I like the thought of basic plains, especially with Astrolabes, but I don't know if I'd rather have Vista over random red fetch next to 4 Mesa. With so many hands that want red and white but you're...

Just want to say that I'm a big fan of this list. It does seem from looking at it that it's a bit more all in on combo than normal lists though. Beat down plan looks incredibly weak. I also would...

Hopefully everyone in here already owns their deck. Korean Grindstones are about to be painful for me to get

I feel like my biggest struggle with this deck right now is timing the tutors and then also figuring out what to get. Anyone have any advice? How aggressive does everyone get with their ETutor?

I've only played it once and it rolled me

Scuttlebutt is a reprint so it's obviously bad. Bag is cool but probably worse than Copter. Bright back is sweet since you can maybe figure out a way to abuse it with LED but it's probably not...

It's actually against the rules so I'm not really sure how this came to pass. If your opponent wants to resolve a draw with a die roll you should report that to a judge

Played actual shortcake and not imperial painter at our local quarterly big team event. Went 3-2 with pretty much Capn Cooks updated list from his report.

Lost to UR Delver
Beat UW Stoneblade...

New fixed lotus value good enough? It's a nonbo with blood moon though, but it's great with blood sun

Is anyone else slightly worried about the lands matchup? It used to be Moon + Bridge was pretty much GG, but Force of vigor has me kind of worried. I guess the best way to combat it is painter on...

Copter is a clock, card filtering, and a way to get artifacts into yard for our welders as well as being an artifact to loot away themselves. Also remember the ability is a may so you don't have to...

Agree with everything here. Pretty much why I don't think I'll be running a coating package in any serious build. Between grindstone with no painter out and copter with no creature out (and in...

When you think about it though that's about as many tutors as blue decks play cantrips. Obviously it's not quite the same, but it's around the same plan of basically add consistency or try to find...

I think the big argument against LED is, Is the extra speed that it provides enough to warrant it's all in nature? Also how often could you win anyway without it? How many games does it win you...

God I fucking love Goblin Welder.

I very much agree here. Currently being a combo deck that doesn't care about the graveyard is pretty nice. I've had matches where I do welder shenanigans game 1, my opponent boards in random...

With new engineer now is there any thought to bringing in Daretti? More ways to get stuff out of the yard is good. Might just be worse than welder/engineer, but it also gives some more looting too...