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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    nice, should've known that this where discussion of Ark4n's list was at.

    Agree with @FTW: Standstill looked pretty bad. I could see bringing in 1-2 copies from the board in certain MUs, but MD...
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    Fox: glad we agree on Delver-Rager swap.

    That US-DN Delirium line is hilarious but useless for flipping an early Rager (takes 3 turns), and Whale is just a super solid card that's easily supported...
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    In Stiflenought, the red Rager & Disapprove aka Dress Down solve our Delver flip issues:

    4 Rage Channeler
    1-2 Gargoyle
    4 PhD
    2 Brazen B
    1-2 Whale / TNN

    2 Scroll
    2 Dress Down
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    Hey folks,

    I consistently played UB Tempo Stiflenought between DRS ban and Oko takeover. It was totally viable even though I was a relative Legacy newbie. You just have to watch the Swords % in...
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    Agree that Delver/Daze seem to be on the edge of playability with Standstill, as Sharknado bring so much more flexibility and synergy for that plan.

    As for my tempo list:

    latest tweaks:
    cut...
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    @FistaCuffSmith Welcome to the Dreadtribe & welcome to Legacy. I highly recommend a deep dive into this thread; it's such a rich well of knowledge.
    @Fox: Didn't you do a kind of round-up of the...
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    my apologies, of course you're right. I was too deep into Fox brewing mode...
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    I never really thought Petals were playable in a Dreadnought deck, that happened way before my time (and before Push and Decay). I mostly played UB from 2018 and throughout the W&6 meta, without...
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    @Fox All that matters is that UB (like UW) gets access to Sideboard Cat. This whole mechanic is incredibly dumb, overpowered and unfortunate. I anticipate a looming meta of Cat Storm; Cat Grixis...
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    Look, folks: It's a new toy. Sultai Scavenger with inbuilt CA. Most people's immediate reference point seems to be Arcanist, the single most impactful addition to Delver in the past few years and now...
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    Um, that deck is tempo / Delver? Look at the whale as a weird chimera of Delver, Arcanist and Hooting Mandrills. I respectfully disagree that it doesn't gel with our mana denial. I was coming at the...
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    To clarify, I'm not excited because it's exactly super busted but rather because I consider it highly playable, interesting and well-balanced play design. Having said that, I think you're overly...
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    They did it, fam: Looks like we finally got that mythical 2-drop we always wished for.

    Heavenly Whale
    (look it up; I don't know how to post images here)

    card advantage + beatdown in one. Bye...
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    oh my, the naughty Hong Kong spice:

    https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=24746&d=373157&f=LE

    Has Mirage Mirror been discussed here before?
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    @Rood: really digging your move towards streaming, and from what I've seen you're a natural in talking through decision points clearly and intelligently. So I just want to encourage you to keep going...
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    I think Dispel over Flusterstorm is uniquely playable with Standstill, since they can make land drops and then calmly play their Swords, Ritual, Veil and other countermagic around stuff like Pierce...
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    From memory, something like:

    vs. Grixis Breach:
    IN: 3 Blasts, 3 GY Hate
    OUT: 2 Scroll, 3 Bolts (I half expected him to pivot to Delver plan post-board, so left one in), 1 Dreadnought

    vs....
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    Meanwhile, to cheer everyone up, here's the always entertaining Rich Shay running @Rood's list through a league. Highly recommended:
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    Rough night back on UR Dreadstill. 0:3, plus a bye, but added a couple of bonus games vs. Eureka Tell (lost both of those, too.).

    The room: 2x Loam, D&T, Grixis Delver, Grixis Breach, ANT, Bant...
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    So Mystic Sanctuary got me thinking: Can we crack a Fetch in response to opponent triggering Standstill, before we draw three? (is that the whole point? pretty sweet if it works)
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    @Fox Makes sense; I already figured that we need to be super judicious with our fetching decisions and sometimes just sandbag a Volc, too. The mana base is just calibrated on razor-thin margins (see:...
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    I think I like 2 Pierces 1 Snare 1 FoN for now.

    And here's another question, regarding the mana base: How often does it become an issue that we're on 2 Volcs only? Beyond the 4 Bolts, there are...
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    This is great advice, much appreciated.
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    Never did play Bobs (first availability then due to W6) & kept the black splash to a minimum. I think we've been through this on this thread, but I tried several things in those 2-drop/Bob-slots:...
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    thanks @Fox, this is super helpful. In all of these MUs I'd feel inclined to take out 1 or 2 extra copies of Standstill otd--or am I too focused on starting hands and the first few turns?

    You're...
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