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Phyrexian Furnace can be decent maindeckable Saga target in slow grindy control, like Parfait or Standstill.

It has a few useful modes for control:
- proactive chipping away at opponent's...

If that was from hand or library, it would see play.

Dragon's Rage Channeler, Surveil duals, Consider, etc.

As is it's too slow for the Hollow One/Madness decks or LED decks.

Containment Construct made the rare top8 in Riddlesmith (Killabee or other dedicated players)

However it is repeatable while Monument isn't. 3 mana is also infinitely more than 2 for these storm...

Riddlesmith might be the best use.

LED is also good: discard 2, +4 mana, draw card, cast card with that 4 mana. LED + Echo often fits with Riddlesmith.

Gamble gets some upside too. You draw...

FTW: Tanglepool Bridge, Wasteland, Swarm Shambler, Narnam Renegade, comment: Chrono is too good

dte: Oakshade Stalker, City of Traitors , Elvish Spirit guide, Chancellor of the Annex...

It would affect some cards that see play:
Dauthi Voidwalker
Currency Converter
Yorion, Sky Nomad
Charming Prince
Flickerwisp
Chrome Mox
Opposition Agent
Oblivion Ring effects

Yeah maybe there isn't a viable use.

The ideal enabler has a 0-mana no-tap activated ability that exiles 1-3 cards. Repeatable & free. Unfortunately the list of permanents with that text is small:...

What's the target deck for this week? Is it dte's?

WU Draw 3 vs U Draw 2 or U Draw 2 + 2/2 flyer.

Draw 3 is good, but costing double and needing the 2nd color could be a lot for those decks. It might see play but it doesn't look busted.


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Lion Sash on the other hand...
W: draw a card
Stoneforgeable
Builds towards unlocking God mode

Ftw: Rustvale Bridge, Nyxborn Rollicker, Wispmare, Wispmare, comment:

With Magus banned, jammed 2x Wispmare.

For a threat I was torn between Nyxborn Rollicker (vs disenchants), Arcbound...

Both of us forgot this is Vintage - with no banlist (Strip Mine). Mishra's Workshop was legal!

FTW: Strip Mine, Ancient Tomb, Steel Overseer, Lupine Prototype

Should have submitted Vault Skirge instead of Lupine. I feared Skirge would be too weak. But not being able to cast the 2nd...

I submitted the other day but Reeplcheep and tirrit may not check until Monday or Tuesday, since there's no other reason to check here regularly.

Yeah, given the holidays and silence in the thread, it was not obvious the next round started. Some may not know what the target deck is and what's banned. I assume my deck is one we must lose to?

Love to see people still playing this old classic in 2025.

Mana denial seems effective. Both White Orchid Phantom and Trophy are strong cards. You'll run them out of basics quickly, and Trophy can...

I assume there is no deadline today?

Silkster, are you busy? Do you want someone else to organize the next few rounds to give you a break?

Uro is old tech. I meant the newer tech (Tamiyo, Curie, Frog) allowed CA at 1-2 mana proactive plays, fitting better with the tempo plan, instead of the older 3 mana tech. Most players have been off...

The main offender was Mystic Forge, which had a 57%+ win rate at Eternal Weekends including winning 1st in North America.

Painter also played 3-4 Bauble and became one of the top decks (but not...

Any combo deck that doesn't protect itself with FoW could jam Bauble for protection:
Mystic Forge
Painter
Storm
Etc

It's a colorless turn 1 play, easy for any nonblue combo deck to fit in.
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You haven't played in a while so you probably didn't notice that the Legacy meta devolved into 40-50% combo and < 15% control/midrange for the last 3 months.

Not just Leagues, but also Challenges...

Yes, the Legacy metagame was over 40% combo, control was borderline unplayable. Top win%s at Eternal Weekend were all combo decks (not just Froginator), control had losing records.

It wasn't all...

Before Beseech the Mirror, Peer was a staple in TES and other ANT/storm with even 1 Burning Wish. It's only dropped off since Beseech.

Beseech is better than those 5-8 mana cards so it's...

Grixis Cascade Dinos > RUG Cascade Rhinos
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4 Scalding Tarn
3 Polluted Delta
2 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island
1 Badlands

Peer into the Abyss sees much play. Bargain is cheaper and draws almost as many cards.

6 mana is much better than 7 or 8 vs Daze & friends. It's only 1 more than Ad Nauseam to have better draws. ...